The ET Question ?

[Grego]

Now I know alot of you believe ETs are real and have been watching us and or manipulating us for along time. However there is one thing i can't get a clear answer on, and it is who are these ETs. lets just take a look at some recent interviews done by the project Camelot team. Bob Dean, believes in what are Human like aliens, Tall blond's, Nordic, and believes the Annunaki are just really tall looking humanoids. Also he touches on Greys and another race of tall whites. ok so thats 4 different species. Wilcox says all the aliens are good, humanoid and doesnt believe there are any reptilian races. But we have St Clair, and we have other contactee's Alex Collier give there insite on the reptilians and there evil manipulations. Ben Fulford, doesnt believe in reptilians either. and from the icke and the secret space docs from the enigma channel point to the annunaki being reptilian. So what is it, who are the aliens among us? you can't just pick and choose people there has to be a consistency and continuity with all this information and from my perspective i am not getting any of that with these contactees or whistle blowers presented by project camelot

[Operator]

Hi G,

Good question. It's becoming also more and more a major question for me. After so many interviews and discussions it
starts to boggle my mind that a lot of issues and evidence is contradicting each other.

One thing is very apparent: Reptilians are pictured as the bad guys and good looking human-looking ET's are outlined as benevolent.

Hmmm, what about false prophets ? And to make things even more difficult ... what about cloned hybrids and plf's ?

I wonder if there is still someone with convincing evidence and knows exactly what's what (and how) ?

Cheers

[starman]

There is alot of information out there. Some of it correlates with each other some of it don't.


According to Alex Collier the Andromedans and the Pleadians are good, the last being somehow linked in someway to the human race. As if the Pleadians had some kind of responsibility for the human race.

According to Alex Collier the Reptillians are bad, but he also states (correct me if I'm wrong) that there are only a handful of them in underground bases on earth.

This correlates with the information of George Kavassilas, he says that the Reptillians were at war with the Federation of Light (correct me if I'm wrong) a very very long time ago but they are at peace now. He also says that a rogue group of Reptillians are on planet earth but they do not have any involvement with the rest of the Reptillians.

This information regarding the Reptillians, that all of them are not bad, seems to correlate with the information given by Jim Sparks. He says that after he got more familliar with the greys, he got to meet the Reptillians and these were very kind beings of all sizes and shapes that suggested that the people of planet earth gave they people behind the black-ops projects etc, amnesty so that the truth could come forward.

Jim Sparks also says that the greys are good (well, he doesn't say that exactly, he says he has a healthy suspicion to their agenda) but that they have no social skills whatsoever and migh be percieved as evil because they are not that emotional.

According to Dan Burisch the P52's are good and the P45's are not so good. Overall the greys seem to be pretty good but as stated above, their social skills sucks.

And then we have Steven Greer who says that they pretty much are all good. He says that when people have bad interactions with aliens, they are either misunderstanding the situation (just like a child would easily interpret the intentions of a doctor who is giving him/her a needle shot for the flu as evil) or being harrassed by the military.


It seems to me that the majority of the ET's are pretty nice individuals but that they sometimes come of as being jerks due to misunderstandings. There are of course bad ones too just as there are bad humans right here on earth.

Originally Posted by starman

There is alot of information out there. Some of it correlates with each other some of it don't.

I completely agree with Starman with the above quote. Also you have to have a generally understanding or a guide to really grasp the picture! and this is a big big picture.

For starters as a reference, from the movie starwars. Where you have the "Force" which means everything in existence, seen and unseen, from the tinest particle to the largert universe. Now withing the Force you have the good and the bad just as there is ying and yang, positive and negative. Same thing applies to the ET's. There are different races and spieces. Imagine the boundless universes and all the trillions of galaxies and the trillions upon trillion upon trillion of stars within them.

Ok there had to be an originator!. So you got The Etherians, beings of pure energy or light. Then the Anunnaki who are humanoid, where you got the good and the bad, or Serapheem and Cherubeems or benevolent and malevolent. Then from there on you got all the other races and species of ET's ranging from the Pleiades, Orion, Draco. You have the Blonde haired Blue eyes beings from Pleiades- The Ashtar Command. You got the Reptlians from Draco and so on. We had the Maldekians on Planet Maldek the tenth planet of our solar sytem, which got destroyed by Planet Nibiru by accident. Yo got the Greys, there are over 50 species for greys. Story is there were created by the Anunnaki as servants long ago, but as time went by some remained benevolent and most went malevolent. We also have ET's that stay withing the center of the earth in different carverns, there one place called Shambala. Then you have as humans created by the Anunnaki, put here on earth to learn and grow/evolve. There alot more information out there, and I believe as we approach 2012, we will get more clarity of who is who and what is what.

[macrostheblack]

hi to everyone. I wish to reveal the following that i have been given by my guide - Nathaniel.

The lifeforms that visit earth and decide in their wisdom to interface with our corrupt goverments are here for their own needs - with little respect for the human race. They have been doing this for centuries, carefully directing the balance of power on earth, influencing the human being, preventing its natural growth. In this day and age of wonders, cures and answers to all of our problems we still face a method or law which dictates we have to work hard to have happiness. This idea keeps us all trapped in an endless cycle - repeating past mistakes. We are almost "farmed" into a belief system that encourages standing alone and fending for yourself or those close - instead of joining togeher and overcoming our past errors. We have all been fooled into becoming cattle that dumbly walk in a circle - awake, eat, work, eat and sleep. Within this cycle is our spirit that echoes itself by the need to have fun. The more you walk this circle, the more - fun or happiness - becomes a burden or problem that effects your need to survive. The negative entitiy wills this circle to be our reality. This is why past accounts of et contact recorded always point to military involvement. These past events are markers pointing towards melevolent influence with need to contain a farmed animal. I would theorise that the future so called humans are infact the next by product of this evil influence. Dont fall for the so called Roswell crashes being caused by confused ets hitting our radars - rather, they knew how our tech would effect them and they utilised it.

The benevolent ets look and treat this situation by natural laws which they abide by. They wont come and offer solutions to your problems nor will they save you in your time of peril. They prefer to offer help and remain distant- which humans see as being useless. They appreciate you level of growth and will respect your fear, confusion etc. They influence you and guide you without need of appearing in person. They follow what we would call nature, god and free will. No surprise then that the powers here found their offers of help useless. The abuction experince is mostly of negative intent with implants that allow evil ets the ability control innocent beings. The benevolent groups use these implants to effect change which ruins the original intent of the negative ets. This is happining now and the evil beings influencing earth can see this and can do nothing about it.

We in our galaxy are moving along the realm called outer space and meeting an area effected by great changes in what we call radiation, solar flare, cosmic rays etc. This passing will last along time and alter/corrupt the implant tech and other methods of mind control. This shall result in the negative ets losing their grip-which shall allow us to leap forward and escape their comfortable method of containing us all. We wont suddenly find we have super human powers, but instead shall open our eyes to the wrongs of this world and correct them. Guess what, we shall realise that the way of the positive et carried more value than the need to have great tech on earth. We will use the mind more and use its endless energy to effect positive change. The benevolent et shall come in very small numbers as teachers and thus break the spell of the prison planet. It shall become the planet of harmony and echo its presence outwards and uncoil the serpent or the great snake that snares so many worlds that are reflections of the creators true self.

Macros

[seekntruth]

Another interesting explanation of the extraterrestrial agenda is presented by Marshall Vian Summers at the Allies of Humanity website (www.alliesofhumanity.org)

It's definitely worth checking out!

[Kelphi]

"Can't pick and choose". Man if I had a nickel every time I mentioned that to a bible hater.

Truth is known by its narrowness. Not its broadness.

ET's would have you believe that all paths lead to the same truth. It keeps you comfortable so as not to question anything.

[firefly]

Iv'e watched the the video's on youtube regarding aliens and underground bases by Phil Schnieder and also Bill Cooper. Their experiences are not encouraging when you refer to good ET's. I think Phil mentioned there was only one ET that the US gov. was working with. But that was way back in the 50's. A contract was made between the US gov and the reptilian and grays to exchange weapons tech for animal and human experiments. Has anyone else watched those video's and if so, what is your response? I can't imagine a benevolent ET giving us tech weapons so we can kill each other more efficiently.

[KathyT]

“A contract was made between the US gov and the reptilian and grays to exchange weapons tech for animal and human experiments.”

This is a major civil rights and criminal abuse. Our US gov and/or responsible parties need to be exposed and prosecuted.

“I can't imagine a benevolent ET giving us tech weapons so we can kill each other more efficiently.”

I agree.

Us humans look upon earth animals as a food source, as a labor source, and as pets. I kind of think ET’s (advanced races), look upon humans in a similar manner, a lower species. Which is why descriptions of abductions sound like they’re rather insensitive of how they treat us. We carve on mice and dogs in laboratories. We, humanity, are in need to real, accurate evidence of what they may be doing to us in their laboratories. Pictures and videos would be nice.

But can there be a number of alien races who only want to help us? It’s very possible. And I hope so.

But the question arises, why haven’t they outright contacted us? Like, take over a TV transmission, and broadcast their concrete plan to help. Like, place their huge crafts where we all could see them (with protection). There could be many answers to that: 1) there aren’t enough of them to guarantee their safety when making outright contact, 2) they could be facing other galactic problems, e.g. other aliens don’t want them interfering, and 3) they already know our earth nation’s militaries are out to fight them, and 4) other.

It would be a big challenge for them to make successful contact, I would think. It may take many of us extending a welcoming hand. Have we done that yet? I don’t think so. Maybe, we, as members outside of our governments, should begin a collective plan to welcome contact!

[Grego]

ok, ill give you my opinion on the subject. I am still conflicted with alot of the information. For one i defintly believe aliens have been messing around with humans for along time now, they might have even created us. From my research the idea of a reptilian race has been around for a long time. even looking into people who experienced reptilians or cosmic serpents from taking psychodelic shamanic drugs. So when david wilcox comes out and says there arent any reptillians, im confused. the closest i got to someone who i feel is speaking the truth is alex collier but im still to paranoid personally to believe anyone. i just wanted to point out the conflicting information that project camelot is pointing out there. Honestly i dont believe the time travel roswell story... but it doesnt really matter what i believe does it. If time travel is at all possible, then it has already happend, you know what i mean.

[RSF]

It seems to me EBEs are getting more difficult to deny and more emphasis is toward what the reason or reasons are as to why their here?
I'm a little more excited reading that Podesta will be part of Pres Elect - Obama's transition team as, Podesta was the (former Clinton Chief of Staff)guy who spoke out-loud about wanting information released re: the UFO problem not long after Clinton's last day in office.

Podesta's statement was both televised (CNN) and a written transcript was available (see CNN below). Podesta, was especially interested in information being released on the Kecksburg Incident.

John Podesta served as Chief of Staff to President Clinton, see:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/researchers/detail94.htm

John Podesta, UFO disclosure excerpt at Presss Club, see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Sz-MgoFos

John Podesta: CNN
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/TECH/sp...2/ufo.records/

RSF

Edit: Sorry, after posting the above I noticed the thread: "White House Cheif of staff for UFO disclosure on Obamas team? " in the Ufology section. I would have posted this there had I seen it first.

[Operator]

Originally Posted by RSF

John Podesta served as Chief of Staff to President Clinton, see:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/researchers/detail94.htm

Hi RSF,

Thanks for the info ... but what makes you think it will be different this time ?
Apparently he had the opportunity earlier ....

Cheers

[RSF]

I don't know that anything will come out through Podesta under Pres Elect Obama?, but have the feeling while serving at the level he did in the Clinton Admin, he may have been under the National Security Oath which may have prevented him from talking until out of office?

I'd suppose that all around him now are pretty-clear as to his serious effort to get official disclosure over the years. One thing seems certain, the UFO problem will be number 4632 on Obama's list of things to look into.

RSF

[freespirit]

The ET question needs taking mainstream and across the board.Your very lucky in the US because topics of this nature are easily discussed, Recently in the UK a police helicopter attempted to chase a UFO other the Bristol channel this prompted our feeble media a brief romance with the subject (green cartoon aliens and the word Martian somewhere in the story) this romance lasted a few days sold a few newspapers then back to the football and the oh so fantastic Celebes and they oh so fantastic life’s and not to forget the politicians.
The Disclosure Project - Home Page http://www.disclosureproject.org/
This for me has been the best effort so far ins terms of a concerted effort, also the Vatican seem to be positioning its self on the chessboard, John podesta has been cited amongst others in the NY Times for the role of Chief Of Staff(pro disclosure).Japanese parliament recently discussed what to do if a ufo invaded they air spaceDefense Minister troubled over legal issues if UFO arrives - Japan News Review http://www.japannewsreview.com/polit...20page_id=3567
we live in interesting times eh blossom

freespirit

[Antaletriangle]

Good thread-i am starting to think that all E.T.'s are here to help in ways we can't comprehend on a physical level-this is a spiritual matter.
For example an idea could be that reptilians/greys are here to test us in how we behave in the face of adversity with each other.There is nothing as in good or evil it's a matter of your perceptions.We have made the decision to be here in this density now to learn and help each other and the planet in someway-maybe the different aspects of the spiritual alien are ultimately to help us evolve and it's how we perceive their actions towards ourselves in how it's translated.
Could the greys be part of a hybridisation in the physical realm to engineer new 'containers'/bodies for any incarnations that maybe required for those of us who don't make the transition to the higher densities and in so doing providing a new home for our souls whilst we need to learn more for our spiritual benefit?
Are indeed the E.T.'s here to observe and translate our spiritual behaviour through a physical manifestation called 'life' to entities that are on a higher evolutionary plane;to debate whether we make the transition individually.I think it's wise to fear not because at the end of the road we travel we will all eventually meet with the source.Some it will take longer and some a shorter time to get there.
I'm fed up with using 'Shanksie's pony' (walking) and hopefully am trying to hitch a lift in an Aston martin!lol.
Hence being on this forum lol.

[eugene_vn]

Frankly, I don't think anybody knows the answer to this question with any degree of certitude. . . nonetheless Dr. Michael Salla (who was fired from his professorship at American University due to his work in this area) has written a useful overview of the situation here:

http://www.exopolitics.org/Report-ET%20Motivations.htm

[Operator]

Thanks Starman,

I think you gave it straight and honest try. However I think it is still not complete and what about false prophets ?
What if we are 'prepped' by an ET race that may have an other agenda after all ? (also think about implants etc.)
I think Dan Burisch also talked about the Orions ...

The Pleiades and Orion are mentioned 3 times explicitly in the bible Job 9:9, Job 38:31 and Amos 5:8. Depending on what version
it sounds sometimes as a warning ... sometimes not. In some versions even Venus is mentioned.
Orion is sometimes linked to black occultism (if I am not mistaken) and the pyramids are referring to Orion.
was this to rightfully worship it or to warn for it ? If I recall right Dan Burisch mentioned the Orions to be wise and they
forced an outcome for the 2003 treaty.

So you see there is still a lot to be answered ... which may be very difficult.

Cheers

P.S. I sure hope I recall everything right (to avoid obsolete discussions). I am planning to listen all interviews again (if time allows it).

[btsumm]

I know a lot of you are not going to like what I'm about to say...but it must be said...but please hear me out...

Stop worrying about ETs...they will come when WE are ready.

We need to focus on the NOW...and waking up others.

The ETs are waiting on that...

I am very thankful to Kerry, Bill, their team, and all the individual that help bring forth information...but remember, the goal is for us to raise up at this time and be who we were meant to be!

Know yourself...


Peace, Love, and Unity,
Brian

[whitecrow]

Originally Posted by btsumm

Stop worrying about ETs...they will come when WE are ready.

We need to focus on the NOW...and waking up others.

The ETs are waiting on that...

I agree. I happen to think they're out there and may even be among us. But I know of no proof, and I do not see evidence that they are relevant to the events now taking place in our lives. These disruptions are human-caused and I therefore regard the ET question as a distraction.

If/when they overtly involve themselves in our reality, I hope they will know I mean them no disrespect, nor do I mean any to those who believe that their presence is a vital reality. There is much information out there, more than I can handle. I don't have the whole picture, but the part I do have is real...and ETs are not in my job description.

[Operator]

Originally Posted by btsumm

Stop worrying about ETs...they will come when WE are ready.

Hi Brian,

I am not even sure if I want them to come ...



If the photo above isn't a fake (I really have no idea) then the grey's do not only lack social skills, the have bad judgment capabilities too !

I am not so certain about a lot of people being hysterically joyful when a enormous spaceship is announced, channeled info
(while there's lots of techniques of mind control) or so called positive abductions (esp. leaving implants).

Since the last Bob Dean interview we got the Annunaki back into scope again. And even those are already divided
in a benevolent and malevolent faction ....

So currently I think the most healthy wish is to see groups of terrestrial human people see work fruitfully together first.

Cheers

[macrostheblack]

A remote viewer came to the conclusion that there are 3 types of grey being.

Primitive: Our timeline

Pretty much at our level but more tech advanced. They have problems with pollution, over population, shortage of food etc. There bodies have more of a human look and they possess strong emotions. Would be classed as being negative and scaremongering showing no concern for their actions.

Advanced: From the future

More organised race with one problem - reproduction difficulties. They have dealings with the Primitive group and also the Super Evolved. Can travel multi dimensionally and utilise time travel. Small traces of emotion. Use transplant tech to live beyond their years. Assist other races in peril with permission from the group collective of govening races.

Super Evolved: Distant future.

The ultimate grey beings who have reached the highest point in their evolution. Small in numbers but they possess millions of worker clones. They can travel anywhere by he speed of thought. Have basically found the God we are all looking for and communicate/carry out its instruction. No emotion, no judgement and in no need of anything material. Tech is 100% organic and anything required is created from thought. Basically, they act alot like the way angels are described - going where ever the creator wills. Very secretive and see little need in communicating directly with those they encounter. Only the elder types display human like emotion and will often only speak to calm a difficult situation.

I often think that the last two groups described here seem very similar to the future human ideas.

Macros

[mntruthseeker]

I know they are out there as my son has been visited. I will never deny him. He is 38 years and has no reason to lie to me.

I once heard my name called and seen a shadow man across my bed bent over staring at me ! I was angry and tired (I was not sleeping due to pumping info into my mind) and thought to myself. No, not tonight, I'm too tired. At the time my thought was forming, the man leaped into the air and disappeared.

I say ET"s are very real

My friend Lauren Zimmerman has contact with 17 different breeds. She has a web page and a myspace account. Look her up and she will tell you what she knows.

[RSF]

Originally Posted by Grego

Now I know alot of you believe ETs are real and have been watching us and or manipulating us for along time. However there is one thing i can't get a clear answer on, and it is who are these ETs. lets just take a look at some recent interviews done by the project Camelot team. Bob Dean, believes in what are Human like aliens, Tall blond's, Nordic, and believes the Annunaki are just really tall looking humanoids. Also he touches on Greys and another race of tall whites. ok so thats 4 different species. Wilcox says all the aliens are good, humanoid and doesnt believe there are any reptilian races. But we have St Clair, and we have other contactee's Alex Collier give there insite on the reptilians and there evil manipulations. Ben Fulford, doesnt believe in reptilians either. and from the icke and the secret space docs from the enigma channel point to the annunaki being reptilian. So what is it, who are the aliens among us? you can't just pick and choose people there has to be a consistency and continuity with all this information and from my perspective i am not getting any of that with these contactees or whistle blowers presented by project camelot

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Welcome Grego. You know Your stuff. I feel a very well articualted Post, Sir.
RSF

[PodWORLD]

Good thread Grogo. I think the examples you put forward know as much as we do - what theyve read. Most of them are researchers or celebrities really. I'm convinced that there are UFO's visiting us regularly due to the weight of evidence but as to the make up of them I have no idea. As you imply everybody can't be right but that shouldnt stop any of us from continuing to question and research.

This is a well known UFO vid - STS 80 - but for anyone who hasn't seen it give it a watch because it's cool. STS 75 is great too.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QRzOF-eAw7I

[Greg10036]

Great question, Grego. According to astrometrics, only 28% of Americans are pure Terran. 68% of Americans are hybrids and the rest are off worlders living among us. With those statistics, you might even be part star person. If you suspect someone is acting differently, they might be an off worlder. I know I have met them on the street before. In Bruce Lee's biography, there was an incident where he was approached by two people in a book store in San Francisco, who were wearing scarves and sun glasses. When his wife asked him later what that was about he just brushed it off and said they were aliens.
g.

http://www.yaridanjo.warmkessel.com/...njo/index.html