Hillary to Be President

[Waterman]

I might as well post this and get my prediction out there and get it over with.

The next president is going to be Hillary Clinton.

In September of 2007 I wrote an article that many on this forum wouldn't care for but if you pm me I would be glad to send you a copy of the article.

The article is called the Nazi Crowley conncection.

Anyway a I published a subsequent article indicating that they will remove Obama about 2 weeks prior to the election leaving plenty of time for Hillary to step up to the plate. This removes her from any lengthy scrutiny that would have exposed her and Bill Clinton's criminal activity.

Here is the start of the removal of Obama

http://www.rense.com/general83/berg.htm

I will be glad to forward the other information if you send me a pm.

[Shellie]

I would have guessed Clinton, too because she is the only one out of all of them that was at the Bilderberg meeting in 2006.

So let's say... Biden steps down, Clinton takes his place... and then Obama wins the election, gets assassinated, and martial law is declared with Clinton at the head?

Probable?

[fitzy3400]

So why should we play when the game is rigged? It's quite obvious to me that Obama will win, as it stands now. Biden is acting like he is already in the oval office and McCain is acting out now in defiance of Obama as if he already lost. It's totally obvious to me that something is not right and hasn't been right for a very long time.

[mntruthseeker]

God help us all if any of them get president




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0vwVlrrb5g

You really need to hear all three

no way..

[John aka#404]

(mod hat off)

Originally Posted by Waterman

Here is the start of the removal of Obama

http://www.rense.com/general83/berg.htm

I will be glad to forward the other information if you send me a pm.

Waterman,

I have been following the Obama thing for quite awhile now. It is extremely interesting how so
many things have been swept under the rug and without prejudice.

The Berg lawsuit I have monitored since day one. I agree with your prediction but see something
else possible...

* election happens as-is - the democrats and magicians keep the Obama stuff under the lid for
as long as they can. Obama wins.
* since the day McCain was "appointed" as the Repub candidate, I have seen him as a Manchurian
candidate. TPTB want this guy in.
* what better way to get him in but WAIT to use the real good info until AFTER the election. Then
McCain doesn't have to fight it out at the election boxes.

This of course could cause confusion and multitudes of people raising hell for a new election... but,
it is a possble scenario.

I mentioned Manchurian Cand... heaven forbid that Obama is taken out of the picture (still shaking
my head Biden over the weekend likened him again to JFK)... but we all know how all the snakes and
scorpions treat each other when the others' backs are turned.

Originally Posted by Mary Lou

From the "Rense" link provided by OP. I have highlighted the important text in red:

"(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania * 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama's lack of "qualifications" to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC "ADMITTED", by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is "NOT QUALIFIED" to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083."

So because Obama and the DNC did not respond to these frivolous lawsuit charges... that means they are true? Keep grasping.

Mary Lou, I noticed this as well. I just see it as a tactic to get people reading Berg's site.
In my view, legally it is correct to say what has been said, but in no way OFFICIAL.

I have followed this whole "natural born citizen" thing since Spring and in my opinion and
I only have one question:

"If Obama truly has the certificate to prove his birth, why doesn't he and just let
this be put to bed?"

By taking this thing on as long as it has it shows nothing but arrogance and something to
hide in my books. When McCain's birth in Panama was questioned he issued a statement and
documents. Why can't Obama ? That is what we should be asking... not if it is true or not.

Interesting he has to go to Hawaii all of a sudden... and yes I pray that his grandmother gets better.

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Aside... the NLP article on Obama is also very interesting.

-John
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[Argante]

Here you go John:

Born in the U.S.A.

FactCheck: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed?

Obama's Birth Certificate

Originally Posted by John aka#404

(mod hat off)

Mary Lou, I noticed this as well. I just see it as a tactic to get people reading Berg's site.
In my view, legally it is correct to say what has been said, but in no way OFFICIAL.

I have followed this whole "natural born citizen" thing since Spring and in my opinion and
I only have one question:

"If Obama truly has the certificate to prove his birth, why doesn't he and just let
this be put to bed?"

By taking this thing on as long as it has it shows nothing but arrogance and something to
hide in my books. When McCain's birth in Panama was questioned he issued a statement and
documents. Why can't Obama ? That is what we should be asking... not if it is true or not.

-John
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[THE eXchanger]

i agree, i too have said
we have NOT seen the end of hillary...
she is definitely under someone's skirt,
and, she is still wearing the pants

appears the "black folks" are onto obama

http://www.pyrabang.com/contentedito...r10-17-08.html

they do NOT appear to like him very much

it is rather strange,
he didn't show us,
his grandma, or his mom
(where are these ladies ???)
you would think, they would be close to him
at a time like this, but, they are NOT
why ???

i believe the VP has more clout than the president

hillary will re-surface again in this pres. race

both she & obama, were at bilderburg convention
(snuck in, in the afternoon) NOT, on the main invite list
we all know, that all the presidents appear to go there

anyway...good post waterman

love
susan/the eXchanger

[Ampgod]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say I don't know what will happen.

[tdc1188]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

i agree, i too have said
we have NOT seen the end of hillary...
she is definitely under someone's skirt,
and, she is still wearing the pants

appears the "black folks" are onto obama

http://www.pyrabang.com/contentedito...r10-17-08.html

they do NOT appear to like him very much

it is rather strange,
he didn't show us,
his grandma, or his mom
(where are these ladies ???)
you would think, they would be close to him
at a time like this, but, they are NOT
why ???

i believe the VP has more clout than the president

hillary will re-surface again in this pres. race

both she & obama, were at bilderburg convention
(snuck in, in the afternoon) NOT, on the main invite list
we all know, that all the presidents appear to go there

anyway...good post waterman

love
susan/the eXchanger

Because his mother is dead and his Grandmother is in her mid 90's in Hawaii! Can't travel?!? Man, you guys are so cynical about politics that it clouds your judgment when its possible that a man on our side might just be the next president. Yes, you can beat the system, TPAB are not perfect! They are scared to death of him! That is why the Rothschild's and Rocketfellers have now sided with John McCain. The Rothschild's have historically controlled the Democractic party, why switch now? Ofcourse his is going to have some shady people on his team, HE HAS TO PLAY THE GAME TO GET IN!

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by tdc1188

Because his mother is dead and his Grandmother is in her mid 90's in Hawaii! Can't travel?!? Man, you guys are so cynical about politics that it clouds your judgment when its possible that a man on our side might just be the next president. Yes, you can beat the system, TPAB are not perfect! They are scared to death of him! That is why the Rothschild's and Rocketfellers have now sided with John McCain. The Rothschild's have historically controlled the Democractic party, why switch now? Ofcourse his is going to have some shady people on his team, HE HAS TO PLAY THE GAME TO GET IN!

n/t

[John aka#404]

Originally Posted by Mary Lou

Here you go John:

Born in the U.S.A.

FactCheck: Has Obama's birth certificate been disclosed?

Obama's Birth Certificate

I question everything and will continue to do so. The above site and that which they post, I question.
Philip Berg and his site and his motives, I question. Barack Obama, I question. The breathable air
on the moon, I question (OMG, did I just type that... oh oh)

I am not posting here to try and prove who is right or wrong... I have no clue who is telling the truth
here, but would like to know. If a majority of people think I am nuts to question Obama, it is fine -
I have the right to be nuts and question everything in life. My post above, I made an observation on a
possible scenario IF it is true (and I say IF again) that Obama is not a natural born citizen. That was
all and I apologize for not making that clear there.

I have a hard time giving Obama the benefit of the doubt when not once has any of this been recognized
publicly. And taking "factcheck.org" as the end all-be all on this subject... I am sorry but they are not
the ones applying to be President. They are a facilitator.... a distractor.

Until all of the laundry comes out, the key on all of this FOR ME is Obama's and the DNC's silence.

If Obama ends up proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is truly a natural born citizen of the
U.S... great -- upon which, I will continue to question.

-John
PS. Question#2 -- Obama's use of NLP
.

I freaking hope not, but click on the link below to find out how this could actually happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gA6_k3NtXZs

Is Obama really a US citizen?

[Karen]

From the discussions I've heard, I think on the Alex Jones show, I'm convinced that Obama was born in Kenya (testimony from a relative, Kenyan grandmother if I recall correctly) and did not have 2 USA citizen parents at the time of his birth, and his mother probably did not do the proper procedure when returning to live in the USA the second time ... and thus Obama is not eligible to be president of the USA.

[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by John aka#404

If Obama ends up proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that he is truly a natural born citizen of the
U.S... great -- upon which, I will continue to question.

Do you ever question your own motives?

He provided proof of citizenship. When are you going to get over it?

Stop spreading disinformation for the PTB.

[John aka#404]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

Do you ever question your own motives?

He provided proof of citizenship. When are you going to get over it?

Stop spreading disinformation for the PTB.

(mod hat off here)

??

Never seen a paycheck my friend.

Get over it ? I will.... when they all stop lying.

Obama has not proven anything. Only cronies running around trying to shut things down. In my view the actions of people that have something to hide.

Go and read all of the legal documents. Believing sites that are funded by Obama's campaign most likely have a bias.
NOW... I have no clue what is true. I just want to know what it is. So far, nothing has been proven to me. Just cover
up. The recent Surrick decision does not surprise me. It's wait and see now on the Supreme Court.

When all is said and done, I want to hear the truth... if my perception is wrong then fine... I will reap the consequences then. Living a life of not questioning everything means a life of ignorance and zero growth.

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[Eli in MI]

Originally Posted by John aka#404

(mod hat off here)
Go and read all of the legal documents. Believing sites that are funded by Obama's campaign most likely have a bias.
NOW... I have no clue what is true. I just want to know what it is. So far, nothing has been proven to me. Just cover
up. The recent Surrick decision does not surprise me. It's wait and see now on the Supreme Court.

FactCheck is not funded by Obama's campaign. You're drawing parallels that don't exist, friend.

You can delude yourself into being scared of everything forever if that's what you really want. I won't stop you.

You strike me as someone who needs personal proof of anything you question, then when presented with that proof, you deny reality once more just so you can hold on to your fears.

Ask yourself if the imminent Supreme Court decision upholding Obama's citizenship would really convince you anyway. Or will it just provide another brick in your wall of paranoia and delusions?

Good luck in the days ahead.

[John aka#404]

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

FactCheck is not funded by Obama's campaign. You're drawing parallels that don't exist, friend.

I will take some time the next few days to get some backup on this. If I prove myself
wrong, so be it. I was basing my comment on what has been put forth regarding
Obama's affiliation with the Annenburg Foundation. "Follow the money" is the best tool
for any researcher. But again, I will dig some more. I want to know the truth my friend.

Just my own addition...
I have not posted here because I am an "Obama disliker". I just do not understand why
it is so difficult for somebody applying to the highest position in office to put this to bed by
showing his birth certificate and making Berg look like a fool. Something smells funny
every time delay or distraction occurs.

I am not trying to prove Berg right or think Obama is a criminal. I just want to know why the
side-stepping, why the diversions ?

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

You can delude yourself into being scared of everything forever if that's what you really want. I won't stop you.

I have read the above a few times over and do not understand where this came from.
I said I question everything. It is who I am. As far as "fearing everything forever"... used
to ages ago until I woke up.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

You strike me as someone who needs personal proof of anything you question, then when presented with that proof, you deny reality once more just so you can hold on to your fears.

I do not see what is wrong with desiring personal proof. If somebody comes up to
me and says "this is proof, believe it" and it just doesn't resonate with me why am I
expected to just accept it ? To me that is how religion works. Been there, done that.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

Ask yourself if the imminent Supreme Court decision upholding Obama's citizenship would really convince you anyway. Or will it just provide another brick in your wall of paranoia and delusions?

Ok let's play it then:

* Supreme Court dismisses Berg's appeal. I already expect this because the system is
corrupt. Interesting development today that the Governor of Hawaii "sealed" Obama
birth certificate ?? What is that all about ? A part of me wonders if the only way the truth
will come out on all of this is by all of us seeing the tactics used. Wait and see.

* OR, Supreme Court finds Berg's lawsuit in order and it goes further -- be it that Obama
proves his citizenship (good for everybody) or not (possible constitutional crisis depending
when this happens if it does).

Now with all that being said, I do not trust those put in power plain in simple. Call it
paranoia or delusional, fine. I call it being true to myself and listening to my heart.

Originally Posted by Eli in MI

Good luck in the days ahead.

And to you as well.

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[EDIT]
Eli, just read your post regarding the Washington Times article. I figured you may
re-link here. Interesting report.

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[Waterman]

Thanks folks for the discussion.

As truth seekers, we navigate around the seen and anticipate the holes over the hill we cannot see.

Experiences help us predict the chuck holes in the road before we go over the hill. And if that hole is big enough an entire car full of people will disappear, needlessly.

If it is a military leader doesn't anticipate properly an entire division can be slaughtered needlessly.

Any idiot can lead an army into battle .....once.

So, learn from your experiences. Is your federal government looking out for the american people?

My experience says the media, and corrupted government will lead the entire nation into a boxed canyon for destruction.

My experience tells me, there is probably very very few in this entire forum that believes that our national leadership is looking out for the people of America.

With that said why would we vote for any of the media baked (yes baked) candidates. We have been sheopled into the elections once again.

My experience tells me, the script for the hand writing on the wall is already written and we are just waiting to see who has been appointed to write the message on the wall.

It is time we take back our conscious. If you are voting, vote your conscious for your own sake, because my experience says that is all that really matters.

[whitecrow]

Originally Posted by fitzy3400

So why should we play when the game is rigged?

Eggs. Ackly.

[Reunite]

Originally Posted by Shellie

So let's say... Biden steps down, Clinton takes his place... and then Obama wins the election, gets assassinated, and martial law is declared with Clinton at the head?

Probable?

Wow..that's freaky..that was my prediction months ago

[Waterman]

Thanks for your "kind" responses. This matter is very convoluted and if this were pre JFK days we all would be considered wackos. But we are not so naive anymore and lost our public virginity when JFK was assasinated.

My position does not mention an assaination, but however puts forth an opinion that Hillary would do "anything" to be president. The reason why she would be this way is explained in the article.

Suffice it to say we are living in a time when yes leaders in my opinion are not elected, but appointed like they were the last two elections.

It's pathetic to think that the Bilderbergers cannot have either of the major parties front at least some similance of an intelligent non -see-thru candidate.

We are on the cusp of change, with humanity and the free world on the card table. We are without a doubt at a crossroad.

PS - If you request the article please let me know if you use Open Office. If not I will send you the MS Word version. It might not come through formatted correctly but the content should be ok.

Thanks

[Argante]

From the "Rense" link provided by OP. I have highlighted the important text in red:

"(Lafayette Hill, Pennsylvania * 10/21/08) - Philip J. Berg, Esquire, the Attorney who filed suit against Barack H. Obama challenging Senator Obama's lack of "qualifications" to serve as President of the United States, announced today that Obama and tbe DNC "ADMITTED", by way of failure to timely respond to Requests for Admissions, all of the numerous specific requests in the Federal lawsuit. Obama is "NOT QUALIFIED" to be President and therefore Obama must immediately withdraw his candidacy for President and the DNC shall substitute a qualified candidate. The case is Berg v. Obama, No. 08-cv-04083."

So because Obama and the DNC did not respond to these frivolous lawsuit charges... that means they are true? Keep grasping.

[Sherab]

Originally Posted by Waterman

I might as well post this and get my prediction out there and get it over with.

The next president is going to be Hillary Clinton.

In September of 2007 I wrote an article that many on this forum wouldn't care for but if you pm me I would be glad to send you a copy of the article.

The article is called the Nazi Crowley conncection.

Anyway a I published a subsequent article indicating that they will remove Obama about 2 weeks prior to the election leaving plenty of time for Hillary to step up to the plate. This removes her from any lengthy scrutiny that would have exposed her and Bill Clinton's criminal activity.

Here is the start of the removal of Obama

http://www.rense.com/general83/berg.htm

I will be glad to forward the other information if you send me a pm.

This is very close to the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this forum.

[tdc1188]

You guys are unbelievable.


“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.” Factcheck.org

WashingtonPost.com
“The truth: Sen. Barack Obama, born in Hawaii".
Visit this website to see a copy of his birth certificate:http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate