Akex Jones interviews Peter Joesph - Zeitgeist

[sylph16]

Have a listen when you get a moment

[url]http://www.infowars.com/

You can find it on the right side of page

Peace

sylph

[SpaceMonkey]

alex jones has just proved to everyone how dumb he is. He just doesn't understand what peter joseph is talking about.

[swordsmith]

wow, the level of disrespect is really something. What a contrast between how Jones treats Peter Joseph vs Michael Tsarion.
Interesting. PJ has solutions ,whether you agree with them or not, and MTsar does not really advocate outer solutions ( and also has a horrible temper) though I find some of his work quite brilliant. Just my opinion, and seen em both up close so to speak.

Wow, Alex is afraid of intellectuals! also sad and spooky music! LOL . What a nutter...

[Magamud]

Alex cant grasp the theory Joseph is putting and man he acts like a child, projecting and then attacking. Really wierd because Alex can talk about Infowars back and forth. Joseph is ahead of his time. Unfortunately we still have alot of steps to go.

[SpaceMonkey]

i really despise alex after this interview, that's the last time i ever listen to that show.

[swordsmith]

I think Alex should stick to what he does best, I give you Officer Jackboot Jones: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AxJ6ZNswiBw

[Thunderbird]

it's because alex is meant (either paid, puppeted, or possesed) to be a provacateur for revolution not a real advocate for true progress. remember illuminati like to control both sides so they can control outcome.

[Magamud]

ya something is weird with him tyring to express his emotions. Like its some trained programmed thing to connect viscerally with certain type of people. Maybe to people who wil get amplified and do something stupid. I dont doubt alot of these truth people are corrupted. Either they were in with the Illuminati and could not deal anymore (save their soul maybe) and now they are allowed to talk about it to a limit. Or there here to make sure they have some influence in this scene. So much material its hard to decifer what is real and what is not.

[Truth voice 2012]

Originally Posted by Thunderbird

it's because alex is meant (either paid, puppeted, or possesed) to be a provacateur for revolution not a real advocate for true progress. remember illuminati like to control both sides so they can control outcome.

Ya shur they told us they would infiltrate all revolutions and control them. They were pretty clear on that one. In defence of Alex though, I think he still views the world as nations and borders. There are none. Also, he doesnt seem to see beyond a world without money and may be conditioned to think: resource based society = Communism. He also ranted on about loosing your land amongst other things. I think one of the fundamental things we need to get our heads around is: WE DONT OWN THIS PLANET. We are guests here and the planet is the only thing that keeps all alive and typing on our little forums. We OWE Earth, we dont OWN it. What needs to happen, as far as I can see is a complete overhaul in human consiousness. As sick as this will sound, maybe we do need tribulation or two. No pain, No gain.

A broken heart heals to become a stronger heart.

[martian31v]

(using this thread as a zeitgeist/alex jones debate, thanks sylph16 for find)

i was disappointed too with alex's first zeitgeist critique and with his not so subtle jabs in his recent interview, but at least he apologized for his initial reaction, jabbed himself a bit and allowed zeitgeist to promote their views.

leaving religion out of the mix, alex and zeitgeist have the same essential conclusion, current human conditions suck. but they differ in their premise or why conditions suck. alex (incorrectly) uses a subjective line of reasoning that suckyness is derived from evil individuals that corrupt an otherwise healthy (free market) system. zeitgeist (correctly) uses an objective line of reasoning and concludes suckyness is derived as a natural product of a monetary based system, where resources inherently monopolize and corrupt the individuals controlling those resources. the suckyness can and has emerged from both capitalist and socialist systems.

the zeitgeist position is NOT communistic, socialist, or utopian. some might call it anarchical, im not yet sure. it cannot be communist/socialist because it does not propose a figurehead. it is not utopian because it does not propose an end. the position is a means that directs us out of CONTROL, which makes the zeitgeist proposition a "ground crew" or "avalon" proposition.

to analyze and contribute to the zeitgeist proposition might be a productive/constructive ground crew task.

[777 The Great Work]

My goal is to have tolerance for all ideas and opinions.
I think Alex needs to meditate.

[Koyaanisqatsi]

i must admit that as a long time listener of alex i was taken back by the peter interview. peter's vision seemed to point towards a possibly viable solution to humanities troubles while alex seemed to be trying to 'correct' the current situation which i feel is not correctable without a huge paradigm shift in thought. honest, as a long time advocate for jones i felt ashamed for him listening to his ranting and raving. i am starting to think my fiance is correct, alex is just another paid puppet.

peter owned him in that talk.

sorry alex, you bleed pretty bad in that volley

[Ashatav]

In fact the Dr. Deagle destroys pheter joseph in his show today. haha, exelent program. hahaha.

The basics of his arguments are that joseph believes that we are flesh machines instead creators sons of G O D and develop his argument starting there.

Cheers!

[martian31v]

Originally Posted by Ashatav

In fact the Dr. Deagle destroys pheter joseph in his show today. haha, exelent program. hahaha.

The basics of his arguments are that joseph believes that we are flesh machines instead creators sons of G O D and develop his argument starting there.

Cheers!

doesn't seem to be sound reasoning to me. i believe that we are creator sons of god, and i could easily develop and support the zeitgeist argument. i would be interested to hear dr deagles argument. do you have a link?

[showmemo]

I do have to say the thought to attack is so rampant and to say that peter joseph was so good in the interview I have to say he got his as he had nothing but attacks for Alex and how evil Alex was for selling a vid or two and here he is also selling them how crass was peter joseph I say he got his also.

Funny if one really heard the interview how Alex gave him the whole show to explain his views and how he agreed with it 90% so how was Alex so wrong? he had some legit questions sorry for all you Zeit people to not open your horizons to other thoughts and to share knowlegde as one person does not have all the answers it will take a bunch of people to come up with the right plan.

As for Alex he has doen allot of good for the movement more than many here and is always open to new ideas as he does not have a closed mind again why would he agree with the Zeit movie 90% sorry he could not agree 100% or all we to not have our own free thoughts? the conversation was both give and take and both men held there ground and shared knowledge and there was bickering between them both the phrase is both did their fair share of bickering but also debated each other and came to share what they both had, if it was so awlful for peter joseph why would he agree to come back to the evile Alex Jones show in a few weeks to answer questions for viewers......

Peace and I say go Alex and keep sharing and spreading the news of the NWO

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by martian31v

doesn't seem to be sound reasoning to me. i believe that we are creator sons of god, and i could easily develop and support the zeitgeist argument. i would be interested to hear dr deagles argument. do you have a link?

In fact you can listen on demand his program before the one made today ends.

Here:

http://www.gcnlive.com/Programs/Nutr...On_Demand.html

Really I look a lot of material everywhere and from a lot of time now and dr. Deagles are the most complete of what I had discover.

Cheers!

[kopenhagen]

Originally Posted by swordsmith

I think Alex should stick to what he does best, I give you Officer Jackboot Jones: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AxJ6ZNswiBw

so funny, I never saw AJ like this

[watchZEITGEISTnow]

After listening to Alex Jones the following day after Peter Joesph's "interview" I have to admit, it's a bit easy to have a pot shot at someone without them there to defend themself.

Also listening to the PJ v AJ interview again, I couldn't help notice Alex's strange mood...a friend who was also listening believes Alex is on cocaine, and his rantings were drug induced? Sure sounded that way at times.

After checking Alex's statements on Zeitgeist II I have to wonder why Alex uses only narrow minded and unfounded views? Are we seeing a man who's religious belief system is being questioned, back against the wall lashing out at anyone who dare ask him to think outside that restrictive box?

Whatever the case, I think Alex needs to understand a world united in LOVE is not such a bad thing, afterall don't all religions preach a similair theme?



Z

[undetected]

I don't think Alex is a bad guy or anyone's agent. Might be but I don't think so. And he's not a fear monger.

What he is, though, is extremely childish, likes to mock people, has no control over his emotions, and doesn't like to listen to anyone who doesn't agree with him. And he misses the point of other people's ideas too often. But hey, even with his flaws, he's still doing some decent job and has woken lots of people. It's up to you to figure out where to draw the line with him.

The interview was really bad, he basically didn't give Peter a chance. In the end he kind of calmed down, and i thought I would forgive him. But then I heard his next day's show and there he blew it completely. After previously saying he agrees with 90% of the movie, he now says zeitgeist is completely NWO. Even though zeitgeist has some issues, it still has many good ideas and attempts to make some changes that really need to be made. It may seem a bit unrealistic and utopian, but I don't think Peter himself believes it can just be done easily. It needs a lot of time and work. But Alex isn't doing any service to anyone, even himself, by trashing it this badly.

If you haven't heard the next day's show, 2008-10-16, listen to it, even just the first hour. Alex sounds like he's going insane. Or maybe just out of control a little bit.

[sehnsuchtben]

Hey all,

I'm sure many of you have seen this already, or subscribe to Alex Jones' channel, but I've just watched part 1 of this interview with the dude who made Zeitgeist. It's an ugly interview, in which Alex is being an immature petty pathetic fool.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=y83cEzFWa_8

I know that some people have criticised his films, especially Addendum, while others have loved it. If Alex had any credible criticism, he'd have used it. It's things like this that make me wonder about that man, his info and his role.

Ben

[master yowe]

Oh Alex, you have just shown me how immature you really are. Everything Peter Joseph said resonated with me and the way Alex replied was very dissmisif . I now know how closed off Mr Jones really is.

I will pray for him , to open up and see the real truth and not the tunnel vision he is seeing through now.

LOVE AND COSMIC CHRIST LIGHT TO ALL.

[wintersun]

I think I'll think twice before I listen to Alex Jones again.

[m3yn86d]

Just listening to the second part now. Don't know if I will listen to the rest. Alex Jones has grown into this egoistic idiot that can no longer represent my questions or ideas in interviews. He is not capable. he did the same thing with David Icke. It was interesting to listen to the discusion about the difference between animals and the beauty of humans and their ability to create and reason. This was a clear of example of the two. This was more about his undeveloped personality and very little to do with enlightening others. Peter Joseph was very clear and focused on his message of elevation. AJ was still in the cave with the club. You can hear it in his voice. My heart went out to Peter who said more of what I wanted to hear.
A J fears/hates interlectuals and deeply desires to be one. Oh boy!! I am still listening and the guy is a complete f******** idiot

[martian31v]

hi all. i am a true supporter of the zeitgeist movement. but lets not dismiss alex and his extraordinary body of work, which has encouraged and inspired most of us. alex is making mistakes in critical thinking/argumentation, but he is not the enemy. lets be critical of his analysis, not his person.

[fastarr]

It's really funny that the one's with the biggest mouths have the hardest time listening. i know nothing about Alex Jones. But why is he being so defensive? And critical?