If I was David Wilcock....

[353L]

Rebecca listened to all of our phone call with Deagle. Michael
was listening to it as we spoke. David declined to listen to it at all.

David felt that the events would not occur for three reasons:
-- The ETs would not permit it.
-- The Illuminati might be willing to kill large numbers of people,
but not destroy vast tracts of real estate and infrastructure.
-- He would have received notice of this himself.

http://www.projectcamelot.org/index.html


If I was the self-proclaimed reincarnation of Edgar Cayce I would not listen to anybody. I would rather demand people to listen only to what I have to say.... My self-importance would make me think that these events would not occur if I have not received notice of this myself. I would want you to remain in a kind of delusional dream state and encourage you to keep sending energy (love and light) to feed man's natural predators, in the misguided belief that such giving is the highest manifestation of Love. Such followers are little more than milk cows nourishing the predators of our world (disguised as angels or benevolent aliens).




http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=2015.0

http://atlanteanjournal.blogspot.com...carnation.html

Lucky for us you aren't then.

[feeler]

Can't say Wilcock is completely unaware of Deagle's past records though.

[SuperManny]

Obviously, you don't know David Wilcock very well...

[Wellerite]

David Wilcock is the perfect antidote to negative prophecy

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by Sunrunner

Lucky for us you aren't then.

[BeaTnik-BandiT]

Originally Posted by Sunrunner

Lucky for us you aren't then.

Spot ON !!!

[fastarr]

If you listen David was explaining about "someone's" (I dont remember who's), material how it was dark and negative but a good read. So he recommended balancing it out with something that makes you feel better. I truly feel that he understands how people tend to respond to doom and gloom, and he is trying to balance it out.

Originally Posted by Sunrunner

Lucky for us you aren't then.

ROFL

NINE

[nagualton]

I'll first finnish my cd.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Theres many things about David that I just do not trust.

This is my own personal observation, and my own personal opinion so I would appreciate not being attacked personally (attack the idea if you will)

They guy has a very tight dull aura, is highly egotistical, arrogant and seems to have a very positive view on the negative situation we face. We can tell a person (at least I can) and their agenda with one glance into their eyes. This guy certainly doesn't have your best intentions in mind when he shares his information. He's most certainly not the reincarnation of Edgar Cayce, and if you don't believe me then ask your spirit guides or your higher self.
He's played that card for quite some time now and its made him a lot of money.
And on that note, once a liar always a liar.


And please, by all means ; Ask for yourself. (you've got spirit guides as well you know, as well as access to higher knowledge - And you should never rely on anyone else for this, not even a self proclaimed reincarnation of a great man)

Bill Deagle, although he does seem rather negative all the time is telling the truth for the most part. I can testify for that myself as I've studied much of what he talks about.

And folks, reason he sounds so negative is because we are in a negative situation, so quit actin like its all kumbaya in the world right now because it is anything but. To overcome a bad situation you must first acknowledge its existance and that's totally not what I see going on here.

David Wilcock is positive and la dee da : This means he obviously doesnt know what's going on in the world, or does but instead choose's to turn his back on it and continue making money by preaching positivity.
- Because c'mon, in times of serious ***** positivity sells like hotdogs!

He is also one of those preaching about the rapture/ascension.
C'mon guys, know your stuff. There is no ascension. People ascend one by one after they have completed their life's work, this is what we call spiritual evolution. Don't be so naive as to think that some almighty force is going to come and lift us off this rock, ain't going to happen. Anyone who tells you that is what will happen is a blatant liar playing on your emotions and your hope for a better world.

On that note, there may be a rise in the vibrational frequency of our planet, but the idea of physical bodies moving into 4th and 5th densitys is completely absurd..

Bill Deagle is negative : The reason people think he is so negative is because he is bringing to your awareness the terrible negative situation that we find ourselves in. It wont take much of your time or research to figure this one out for yourself. I can vouch for much of what the man says as I have found myself in similar lines of research and quite a lot of his information seems to fit.

Some of you are just running away from the negativity and completely dismissing it as if it isn't there. IT IS THERE. and if you want to be any bit of a help you must acknowledge it first instead of deluding yourselves into some kind of fantasy that permits you to laze back and take it easy as if someone or something else is going to do the work for you.

* Or correct me if i'm wrong, is your strategy to beat the negativity by denying its existence? If so please, do share your thoughts on this and just exactly how you intend to accomplish this. I'm very open to new ideas, but if your using this as an excuse so you can sit back and talk about nothing other then positive bum fluff whilst completely disregarding our current reality then your doing no one any favors especially yourself.

I've mentioned before that this kind of reaction is just as bad as being delusionally paranoid, its being delusionally optimistic and positive.
- Yes, your deluding yourself. Acting like everything's going to be ok. That's fine, that's all good and well if you wish to turn your back on the problem. That's anyones choice. But if you wish to help then we must talk about the problem, not the probable ultra cool positive scenario that MIGHT just by some miracle of god happen in the future. (2012 seems like a good date, right?)

Call me a heathen if you wish, but at least Bill Deagle is on the right track when he talks doom and gloom. They guy may be loosing it, but he's got a realistic idea about what is going on.

This really perplexes me. Why does David Wilcock continue to preach about a wonderful future when that CLEARLY is not the path we are currently on.

Is he trying to get you to sit on your ass and wish this thing away with your positivity? Whilst it continues to happen anyways while your left sitting there thinking "*****, what's happening.. my positive intentions are not working, Damn that David anyways.."

And like I said, don't attack me, attack the ideas. Any personal attacks will be met with a machete

[pilot]

The whole discussion is absurd if you ask me. Bill vs. David in the 5th round of who's gonna die in the apocalypse woo hoo-

Ok we've got two psychic intuitives with conflicting messages and we are taking sides??? oh brother.

I'm getting fatigued by all this future talk and speculation. I have a feeling I would be better off canceling my internet service and using the time formerly spent surfing in the garden, meditating, knitting, getting drunk on apple cinnamon moonshine, or just about anything else.

What if the only thing that will really get the ball rolling and make the changes REALLY start happening is if we all just tuned out for a few days?? No TV no internet-which is an extension of the mind control-regardless of how "useful" it is-no media whatsoever, just be still and wait. It couldn't hurt.

Tune out, turn on, drop in.

[wintersun]

2infinityandbeyond, then how do you explain that David posts all of his work for free?? Even the things he seems to sell, actually ALL can all be found on his website! EVERYTHING. Just read and listen to his blogs, and there's all the possible info there is. How many books has DW wrote for sale? And how many audios compared to the free ones?

You're missing this huge point.

As for the Higher self and Spiritual guides, mine tell me totally opposite then yours. But still, how do you explain the fact I just mentioned?

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by wintersun

2infinityandbeyond, then how do you explain that David posts all of his work for free?? Even the things he seems to sell, actually ALL can all be found on his website! EVERYTHING. Just read and listen to his blogs, and there's all the possible info there is. How many books has DW wrote for sale? And how many audios compared to the free ones?

You're missing this huge point.

As for the Higher self and Spiritual guides, mine tell me totally opposite then yours. But still, how do you explain the fact I just mentioned?

He talks about a spiritual transformation.

I look out the window too see people going very crazy, killing each other and fcuking each other over.

I turn on the television and i see wars, famine, drought and total mayhem.

His information is just completely not corealating with what is going on in the world right now.

And hey, im all for it. I really really wish deep down that everything will turn out good and that we will all be singing around a campfire and living peacefully after this but can your really not see why im sceptical?

2infinityandbeyond, I unfortunately agree with your assessment of David's personality. I find him to be arrogant and simply put, annoying. As shallow as it is, even his face annoys me lol. The way he rambles on and on and on and on about irrelevant material also gets on my nerves. His blind support of Obama pisses me off. The censorship in his messageboard aggrivates me to no end. But I have to disagree with you about his message about a positive future. He's not the only person with an optimistic attitude about what is coming. There are many people who believe that the darkest hour directly preceeds the New Dawn. I for one believe that very strongly. Many Native cultures believe that we're on the cusp of a new "age" where all will live in peace and universal solidarity with eachother. I have to believe that people are waking up to their spiritual realities as we get closer and closer to 2012.

[wintersun]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

He talks about a spiritual transformation.

I look out the window too see people going very crazy, killing each other and fcuking each other over.

I turn on the television and i see wars, famine, drought and total mayhem.

His information is just completely not corealating with what is going on in the world right now.

And hey, im all for it. I really really wish deep down that everything will turn out good and that we will all be singing around a campfire and living peacefully after this but can your really not see why im sceptical?

What I see is that you are an incredibly good person, who knows how to drop his ego, I'm amazed, I wish there were more people which are like that!

As for the pain and suffering, yes, I know what you mean. But you are a spiritual person, and you do understand that all this is NECESERY in order to make us GROW. I know this world is miserable, but there is a reason for everything, and this reason is utterly positive.

I've seen many things, I've seen terrible people, but I still do wish to give them the chance to grow, cos I know, we all used to be just like them once before in our past lives. It's all meant to be.

We all choose to be bad, to act as a catalyst for clensing another ones bad karma. This way the "other ones" are learning and growing. Then, later, as this bad karma reflects back to as, we are being given a chance to experience the same things we did to the "other ones", so that we could grow as well!!

Just think about it: if there was no "evil", how the hell would you become a better person?

I always use to say that this "satan" must be one hell of a guy

Cos, if it weren't for him, we would all be just spoiled brats and nothing else.

God is the source of good and "evil". And now I ask you to replace this word "evil" with the word "learning". We all hated going to school! The same thing is applied here.

[alyscat]

David declined to listen to it before commenting - but explained that he was on a major project that he had hoped to finish that evening.

David said numerous things that I appreciated - one being that it is good not to take a single point of reference - that even when he has dreams about things, he doesn't assume the dream is reality until he checks it out with other points of reference.

A bit egoistical, yes. A bit more balanced, yes.

Alys

I'm mystified by Wilcock's not willing to listen to Deagle's phone call and yet knew what Deagle was warning about.

Originally Posted by Rundeaf

I'm mystified by Wilcock's not willing to listen to Deagle's phone call and yet knew what Deagle was warning about.

Even though he hadn't listened to the conversation he was still pretty spot on in his assumption of what Deagle said in general terms. That indicates to me that he's heard it all before, which speaks volumes. The talk Deagle gave at the Granada Club is available on google video, check it out. But don't watch it with your kids.

[larissarissa]

If I was a Moderator.....

I would remove your post as being a personal attack.

[Operator]

Originally Posted by Rundeaf

I'm mystified by Wilcock's not willing to listen to Deagle's phone call and yet knew what Deagle was warning about.

Yes, well I was puzzled by that also ...

What struck me is that he was so promoting to vote for Obama ...
While I was digging for other angles this is what I found:

Go to Camelot's homepage: http://www.projectcamelot.org/

Then find "Obama vows to stop Iran from having nuclear arms"

Underneath it says:

"The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat," Obama said in a speech to a conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a pro-Israel lobby group.

Now how does this NOT direct to the same thing he's actually aiming at in case of Palin ?

I'm not in favor of any candidate (don't take me wrong). But it looks like David is pointing in a wrong direction too.
I don't want to debunk David by any means but given these facts it looks like he's wrong on this one ...

Ok, finally I looked up this part by Dan Burisch too ...

Genesis 3:24 (V) "eiecitque Adam et conlocavit ante paradisum voluptatis cherubin et flammeum gladium atque versatilem ad custodiendam viam ligni vitae"

It added to understand what's the key here ...

Cheers

[Ali Quadir]

Wilcock, got a slight briefing by Bill and Kerry, and like most of us heard the general tune before...

He's more informed than most of us will ever be... He's also unchangingly optimistic and realistic. I for one learned anything I know about the oncoming changes from reading his material and seeing his interviews. Have a little faith in him.

[Operator]

Originally Posted by Ali Quadir

He's more informed than most of us will ever be...

Hmmm ?? Well is that a good or a bad sign ?
Of course if you really know what's going to happen you will have absolutely no fear !

I have question ... David mentioned recent attacks on US embassies.
I clearly heard him say Pakistan ... was the first one Aruba ?

Cheers

[clarkkent]

i thought the interview was great and made the most sense so far, his understanding of interpreting visions/dreams was important as to NOT take them as literal truths.

also i enjoyed that while talking about serious issues bill kerry and david could still laugh.

very good stuff.

[Birdwoman]

It has been scientifically and spiritually proven that the events and state of the world are influenced strongly by our thoughts and feelings. To dwell on the fear and ideas about catastrophic future events assures that they will occur. Let's keep thoughts and feelings of love, abundance, peace, gratitude, joy, etc. in our hearts and minds and assure that we will have an abundant, peaceful, joyful future.

This is most likely why David does not wish to immerse himself in an hour or so of negative thoughts and feelings. Yes, we need to know what's going on in the world, but a simple notification is probably enough.
Hugs, Marilyn