What about those in US who rely on welfare

10-03-2008, 01:07 AM

I am presuming there are millions of people in US who rely on welfare, sickness benefits, that type of thing. Obviously all this is going to affect them whereby they wont be able to get any money from the Government to pay for food, rent and all the rest. AND, I am sure the Government has already discussed all this previously and that is obviously why they have put in place .................you know what I mean, because they knew all along.

Shechaiyah · 10-03-2008, 01:10 AM

Tell me about it.

We can pray for deliverance and pray our kids will continue to help out financially, or help find another situation, less tenuous.

Shech--

Gaia · 10-03-2008, 02:26 AM

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

Ampgod · 10-03-2008, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Gaia

And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

This statement and it's intention struck me.
I disagree. 100%

Peace,
Ampgod

10-03-2008, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ampgod

This statement and it's intention struck me.
I disagree. 100%

Peace,
Ampgod

agreed!

Kituwa · 10-03-2008, 08:58 AM

I am one of those that depends on gov money. I recieve gov disabilty. My wife works and brings in a small amount but it would in no way support us without the disability check.We live very simple ,own very little and we buy food one day at a time. There is talk right now that they are fixing to declair a bank holiday. They are saying this could happen as soon as this weekend. My check comes tomorrow so hopefully i can get it cashed before anything happens.If it dont happen this weekend i am sure it will soon. My family and i will be homeless in less than a week if our check is stopped.It looks like things are going to be bad for everyone before long but will just be sooner for some of us.I really fear for older people here that rely on social security. My guess is if an economic collaps does happen here that those of us that do not have a way to take care of ourselves will be rounded up and sent to gov camps to be 'taken care of' im sure we will be some of the first considered expendable.While i do have a plan of a place to go and i am capable of getting by liveing in the woods with no money, it would only be a matter of time before one of the kids gets sick and needs medical attention that is beyond what i can take care of and a lot of other things like that can come up.I know i have some serious suffering in store for me and my family but my ancestors went through as bad or worse and i have accepted that there is not much i can do about it and am as ready as i can be to face what lies ahead.I can only hope my heart can stay strong and i can fully face whatever is in store for us.

10-03-2008, 09:39 AM

Ben Fulford, now is the time for Ninja retaliation, I think they should walk the walk and stopping talking the talk ....and I know that is not spiritual....but I am really p.........

steverocks85 · 10-03-2008, 09:50 AM

people with disabilities can be souls of a higher density that could not adjust to our plane of existance. to say natural selection can finally weed them out is cold. as a severely disabled person i feel my mission is to take a tough journey and inspire people of how strong people can be on the inside and keep on going!

lehomonuka · 10-03-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by steverocks85

people with disabilities can be souls of a higher density that could not adjust to our plane of existance. to say natural selection can finally weed them out is cold. as a severely disabled person i feel my mission is to take a tough journey and inspire people of how strong people can be on the inside and keep on going!

RIGHT ON BROTHER!! TOTALLY RIGHT ON!
I too am disabled & couldn't agree with you more; people with disabilities ARE souls of a higher density

to go thru pain,isolation,outright rejection,humiliation and other negativities, then be kind, loving, forgiving and empathic, takes an ironclad determination of trusting in Spirit
thank you steve

Myra · 10-03-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by lehomonuka

RIGHT ON BROTHER!! TOTALLY RIGHT ON!
I too am disabled & couldn't agree with you more; people with disabilities ARE souls of a higher density

to go thru pain,isolation,outright rejection,humiliation and other negativities, then be kind, loving, forgiving and empathic, takes an ironclad determination of trusting in Spirit
thank you steve

Thank you to steverocks85, and thank you to you lehomonuka as well!

Jacqui D · 10-03-2008, 11:26 PM

I've been thinking this also, i live on income support.
many have lived like this and can just about survive on the little we do get but if that's stopped what do we do then?
But if money won't be the issue as was said before because it will be useless anyway i expect we having nothing to fear.
Certainly lack of it won't change much for those who rely on it as i have said before we have been surviving on it for long enough.
But the thought of weeding out those like us is frightening.

10-03-2008, 11:35 PM

What about those in US who rely on welfare?

Is this another Banking thread? hehe!

mntruthseeker · 10-04-2008, 03:47 AM

so I get it .......tell them to get a job is the answer. sorry

10-04-2008, 05:44 AM

Lance · 10-04-2008, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexandra

Can you explain to me how one can get a job if there are none in their area?
A lot of small areas in the country are losing jobs and there is no money to move or travel elsewhere and they have kids to feed. Actually, most people are going for food stamps. Houses aren't selling. The economy is in dire straights. What would you suggest?

Thanks for the precursor...how many people on 'benefits' are out running community gardens and not needing the stuff food stamps will buy?
I'm still confused.

steverocks85 · 10-04-2008, 07:23 AM

With everything theres always a few who take advantage. Which occurs in the whole welfare/ssi/medicare/medicaid system. For me I'm in a spot where the things i need add up to ludicrous amounts. My ventilator alone costs like 50,000$ I believe. Personally I don't enjoy needing so much help to much but I do what I can.

I'm a little concerned what the future may hold, though I feel things will get shaken up a bit but it will create something more beautifull. A system where everyones in it together, we are all connected. To deny others is denying yourself.

I may be confined to a wheelchair but I will stand with everyone when the time comes. Sharing the love, happiness, the planet, and everything that has ever existed.

MMe M · 10-04-2008, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steverocks85

With everything theres always a few who take advantage. Which occurs in the whole welfare/ssi/medicare/medicaid system. For me I'm in a spot where the things i need add up to ludicrous amounts. My ventilator alone costs like 50,000$ I believe. Personally I don't enjoy needing so much help to much but I do what I can.

I'm a little concerned what the future may hold, though I feel things will get shaken up a bit but it will create something more beautifull. A system where everyones in it together, we are all connected. To deny others is denying yourself.

I may be confined to a wheelchair but I will stand with everyone when the time comes. Sharing the love, happiness, the planet, and everything that has ever existed.

Your beautiful. Keep on smiling, it makes me feel good when you do! Youre special, chosen.

A powerful positive force.

Jacqui D · 10-05-2008, 09:28 PM

Remember Steverocks85 when everything breaks down love you will not have to worry about your disability.
You will be free from any pain,worries, stress, life will be as it should be.
I commend what you said and wish you well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by steverocks85

With everything theres always a few who take advantage. Which occurs in the whole welfare/ssi/medicare/medicaid system. For me I'm in a spot where the things i need add up to ludicrous amounts. My ventilator alone costs like 50,000$ I believe. Personally I don't enjoy needing so much help to much but I do what I can.

I'm a little concerned what the future may hold, though I feel things will get shaken up a bit but it will create something more beautifull. A system where everyones in it together, we are all connected. To deny others is denying yourself.

I may be confined to a wheelchair but I will stand with everyone when the time comes. Sharing the love, happiness, the planet, and everything that has ever existed.

10-04-2008, 12:47 PM

lucrum · 10-04-2008, 01:06 PM

I just wanted to add to this thread that it seems it totally derailed from the original purpose of the OP.

It evolved into a discussion wether or not disabled or lesser fortunate should have the right to live or not. To me that's an aweful idea and I would like to urge everyone to get back to the original question here:

What about those in US who rely on welfare?

It's a good question, what about those that have no means of self sustainability? What will become of their welfare assets with this bailout passed?

It was a completely on target question and I would like to see some on target answers to them

Lance · 10-04-2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by lucrum

I just wanted to add to this thread that it seems it totally derailed from the original purpose of the OP.

It evolved into a discussion wether or not disabled or lesser fortunate should have the right to live or not. To me that's an aweful idea and I would like to urge everyone to get back to the original question here:

What about those in US who rely on welfare?

It's a good question, what about those that have no means of self sustainability? What will become of their welfare assets with this bailout passed?

It was a completely on target question and I would like to see some on target answers to them

One of the points in a slow (vide: intentional) collapse is to GET people into the cystem (sic). It seems like the cheques will still flow but the purchasing power of those cheques will decline rapidly. Then the PTw will start a war and all those slowly starving on their ever diminishing will be forced to join the military...here is a good run down written by a friend of mine recently.

"So..a government(sic) trillions of fun coupons in debt now owns the debt of most all it's citizens.... hmmm..... What is the only tangible thing they got for their money...oh yea, weapons.
Now, if you make it a criminal offense to be in debt then you can radically increase the prison population; this gets you more slave labour which, in turn, will drastically reduce production costs. This also gives you a reliable psuedo middle class (read guards/administrators). furthermore, once a criminal in the States, you can never again apply for the usual benifits to stay alive, nor vote; thus reducing the chance of democratic change (as if that has ever been there).
But some of the folks might catch on and become rebellious. Thus an outside war is a must (with draft). This will ensure that most able-bodied men and women are kept off the streets, shipped out of the country or at least kept in government 'training camps'. War brings casualties, thus ensuring a second psuedo middle-class segment of caregivers etc. Meanwhile the useless back at home can be given crumbs to live out their lives in near poverty, keeping the production of ammo/weapons an other war related items going as fast as possible. Not that they are any safer from your final psuedo middle class segment. Those home security types, happily going about their misserable lives spying, arresting, trying and taxing those in the country, according to the latest economic needs of the government.
Wait a minute, I just reviewed the last century. So...this either gets increased to the nth degree or...the whole thing goes to rot. Either way, hell can no longer pretend heaven and the garden of Eden, as it has always been, shows itself as no more then a place with clean water/food and real humans...not these ugly lizzards pretending they own this planet, and its people, to destroy at their whim. oh yea....and **** the sheep; they will be eating their own before it is all said and done. " Anonymous Friend

The short and sweet of it. If I were to offer advice for anyone, anywhere on Guvmint assistance I would say 'get ye to a library' and order any and all books on Permaculture you can summon. It is one of those design techniques applicable in all situations and since you have free time...you might as well be learning a transition skill. It will come in handy.

RubyTuesday · 10-03-2008, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steverocks85

people with disabilities can be souls of a higher density that could not adjust to our plane of existance. to say natural selection can finally weed them out is cold. as a severely disabled person i feel my mission is to take a tough journey and inspire people of how strong people can be on the inside and keep on going!

Beautifully said.

greybeard · 10-03-2008, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steverocks85

people with disabilities can be souls of a higher density that could not adjust to our plane of existance. to say natural selection can finally weed them out is cold. as a severely disabled person i feel my mission is to take a tough journey and inspire people of how strong people can be on the inside and keep on going!

Agree totaly

You cant tell a book by its cover

My previous partner "Therese" was/is disabled but I wouldent care to call her that.
We are still best friends.
She was/is an astounding clairvoyant and knows more about the Angelic realm that anyone I know.
What she lacks in mobility she makes up for in many other ways.

Chris

Orion Morris · 10-03-2008, 04:55 PM

Another question I was wondering about is I know alot of very smart and kind hearted people serving in county jail and prison. What would happen to the people who are incarcerated if things happen to get crazy. Would the jail guards go to work? Would they still feed them? Would they release them? What would happen to the small time offenders or the people who are supposed to be getting out soon?

blueskywalking · 10-03-2008, 09:50 AM

Quote:

This statement and it's intention struck me.
I disagree. 100%

Peace,
Ampgod

Double Agreed! Disgusting... Maybe lay off the mushrooms for a bit there Houston.

10-03-2008, 01:07 AM	#1
Tuza Guest Posts: n/a	What about those in US who rely on welfare I am presuming there are millions of people in US who rely on welfare, sickness benefits, that type of thing. Obviously all this is going to affect them whereby they wont be able to get any money from the Government to pay for food, rent and all the rest. AND, I am sure the Government has already discussed all this previously and that is obviously why they have put in place .................you know what I mean, because they knew all along.

10-03-2008, 01:10 AM	#2
Shechaiyah Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: in cyberspace Posts: 225	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare Tell me about it. We can pray for deliverance and pray our kids will continue to help out financially, or help find another situation, less tenuous. Shech--

10-03-2008, 02:26 AM	#3
Gaia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 14	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare And sad to say maybe natural selection will finally be able to weed out material that should have never been able to survive in the first place. Just a Gaia thought...

10-03-2008, 08:58 AM	#6
Kituwa Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: TN Posts: 8	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare I am one of those that depends on gov money. I recieve gov disabilty. My wife works and brings in a small amount but it would in no way support us without the disability check.We live very simple ,own very little and we buy food one day at a time. There is talk right now that they are fixing to declair a bank holiday. They are saying this could happen as soon as this weekend. My check comes tomorrow so hopefully i can get it cashed before anything happens.If it dont happen this weekend i am sure it will soon. My family and i will be homeless in less than a week if our check is stopped.It looks like things are going to be bad for everyone before long but will just be sooner for some of us.I really fear for older people here that rely on social security. My guess is if an economic collaps does happen here that those of us that do not have a way to take care of ourselves will be rounded up and sent to gov camps to be 'taken care of' im sure we will be some of the first considered expendable.While i do have a plan of a place to go and i am capable of getting by liveing in the woods with no money, it would only be a matter of time before one of the kids gets sick and needs medical attention that is beyond what i can take care of and a lot of other things like that can come up.I know i have some serious suffering in store for me and my family but my ancestors went through as bad or worse and i have accepted that there is not much i can do about it and am as ready as i can be to face what lies ahead.I can only hope my heart can stay strong and i can fully face whatever is in store for us.

10-03-2008, 09:39 AM	#7
Tuza Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare Ben Fulford, now is the time for Ninja retaliation, I think they should walk the walk and stopping talking the talk ....and I know that is not spiritual....but I am really p.........

10-03-2008, 09:50 AM	#8
steverocks85 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Farmingville, NY Posts: 9	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare people with disabilities can be souls of a higher density that could not adjust to our plane of existance. to say natural selection can finally weed them out is cold. as a severely disabled person i feel my mission is to take a tough journey and inspire people of how strong people can be on the inside and keep on going!

10-03-2008, 11:26 PM	#11
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare I've been thinking this also, i live on income support. many have lived like this and can just about survive on the little we do get but if that's stopped what do we do then? But if money won't be the issue as was said before because it will be useless anyway i expect we having nothing to fear. Certainly lack of it won't change much for those who rely on it as i have said before we have been surviving on it for long enough. But the thought of weeding out those like us is frightening.

10-03-2008, 11:35 PM	#12
Stephen Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare What about those in US who rely on welfare? Is this another Banking thread? hehe!

10-04-2008, 03:47 AM	#13
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare so I get it .......tell them to get a job is the answer. sorry

10-04-2008, 05:44 AM	#14
Alexandra Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare Last edited by Alexandra; 10-08-2008 at 03:57 PM.

10-04-2008, 07:23 AM	#16
steverocks85 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Farmingville, NY Posts: 9	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare With everything theres always a few who take advantage. Which occurs in the whole welfare/ssi/medicare/medicaid system. For me I'm in a spot where the things i need add up to ludicrous amounts. My ventilator alone costs like 50,000$ I believe. Personally I don't enjoy needing so much help to much but I do what I can. I'm a little concerned what the future may hold, though I feel things will get shaken up a bit but it will create something more beautifull. A system where everyones in it together, we are all connected. To deny others is denying yourself. I may be confined to a wheelchair but I will stand with everyone when the time comes. Sharing the love, happiness, the planet, and everything that has ever existed.

10-04-2008, 12:47 PM	#19
Alexandra Guest Posts: n/a	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare Last edited by Alexandra; 10-08-2008 at 03:55 PM.

10-04-2008, 01:06 PM	#20
lucrum Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 209	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare I just wanted to add to this thread that it seems it totally derailed from the original purpose of the OP. It evolved into a discussion wether or not disabled or lesser fortunate should have the right to live or not. To me that's an aweful idea and I would like to urge everyone to get back to the original question here: What about those in US who rely on welfare? It's a good question, what about those that have no means of self sustainability? What will become of their welfare assets with this bailout passed? It was a completely on target question and I would like to see some on target answers to them

10-03-2008, 04:55 PM	#24
Orion Morris Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 416	Re: What about those in US who rely on welfare Another question I was wondering about is I know alot of very smart and kind hearted people serving in county jail and prison. What would happen to the people who are incarcerated if things happen to get crazy. Would the jail guards go to work? Would they still feed them? Would they release them? What would happen to the small time offenders or the people who are supposed to be getting out soon?