Why has Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon been deleted?

eMonkey · 03-01-2010, 11:36 PM

Why has the thread on "Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon chat" been deleted?

Are we discussing this like grown ups or was this discussion not allowed and censored by over zealous politically correct moderators?

You can't have debate with censorship. Or are we free, to do as you please?

Blessings...

sjkted · 03-01-2010, 11:43 PM

Yep, I read it as well while it was up. It's a strange thing how these good posts keep going away.

--sjkted

lightblue · 03-01-2010, 11:50 PM

i noticed that as i was in the middle of making a comment..as i pressed to submit i got this:

lightblue, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

wonder what may be the reason...

my comment was suportive and general..nothing offensive..

best wishes l

K626 · 03-01-2010, 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by lightblue

i noticed that as i was in the middle of making a comment..as i pressed to submit i got this:

lightblue, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation.

wonder what may be the reason...

my comment was suportive and general..nothing offensive..

best wishes l

They were in the process of taking it down as you were posting.

Phoenix · 03-01-2010, 11:56 PM

I think there are some issues with some mods? Ive recently had a mod pm me asking me to change my avatar because "it could lead others to feel uncomfortable" and "we" requested that I choose a more positive or neutral image for my avatar! It was a Pink Floyd cover! This I found exceptionally disturbing, there seems to be a very strong undercurrent here........watch this post disappear (and maybe me!)

eMonkey · 03-02-2010, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

I think there are some issues with some mods? Ive recently had a mod pm me asking me to change my avatar because "it could lead others to feel uncomfortable" and "we" requested that I choose a more positive or neutral image for my avatar! It was a Pink Floyd cover! This I found exceptionally disturbing, there seems to be a very strong undercurrent here........watch this post disappear (and maybe me!)

Hummm, I would hate to see this forum become the mods private playground for power hungry people. I hope this post stays too. This forum has no place for censorship of issues on this debate unless postings are abusive.

The mods should be aware, this issue will not go away even if they make us go away.

tone3jaguar · 03-02-2010, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

I think there are some issues with some mods? Ive recently had a mod pm me asking me to change my avatar because "it could lead others to feel uncomfortable" and "we" requested that I choose a more positive or neutral image for my avatar! It was a Pink Floyd cover! This I found exceptionally disturbing, there seems to be a very strong undercurrent here........watch this post disappear (and maybe me!)

That is NFG, lets hope that things like this are not a trend. Control of any kind of information is the polar opposite of what this place is supposed to be about. Pictures and artwork are information.

lightblue · 03-02-2010, 12:06 AM

my post was un-offensive totally...

why then?

best wishes l

your disgruntled cub

--

Phoenix · 03-02-2010, 12:09 AM

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my post was un-offensive totally...

why then?

Maybe your use of a dangerous animal for an avatar?

Seriously though, its unlikely to have been your post, just coincidense and timing.

pineal-pilot-in merkabah · 03-02-2010, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

Maybe your use of a dangerous animal for an avatar?

i had to LOL at this one.. i too have come across stuff in the past where a thread was shut down but im not savvy enough to realise thats what it was. anyway do we head to the hills? do we stockpile food? do we get into survivor mode? these are questions ,many newcomers may ask when visiting this forum. i too am still asking these questions. my feeling is yes yes yes .

Karen · 03-02-2010, 12:14 AM

Apologies, a situation arose - things are happening way too fast.

Kerry claimed much of it was lies. Bill now confirms it is the truth as he knows it.

I am going to put it back now. It was done in the spirit of reducing potential damage, due to post #1 of the thread.

pineal-pilot-in merkabah · 03-02-2010, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Karen

Apologies, a situation arose - things are happening way too fast.

Kerry claimed much of it was lies. Bill now confirms it is the truth as he knows it.

I am going to put it back now. It was done in the spirit of reducing potential damage, due to post #1 of the thread.

your sayinhg that kerry said bills thread was lies. biut that bill posted the truth as best as he saw it?

omg LOL this is turning into a classic soap opera!!

Karen · 03-02-2010, 12:19 AM

Chill please.

Phoenix, some of the more tender hearts - have a sensitivity to images.

Relax, the mod explained her view, you explained yours, and she backed off.

I like nice images too. I have even turned off avatars because there are some I don't want staring at me while I read a post such as the one-eyed ones.

We don't all agree - we can't please everyone all the time.

We strive for the middle ground. This is a public forum, but a private space with guidelines. This is not a free for all.

Reunite · 03-02-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

I think there are some issues with some mods? Ive recently had a mod pm me asking me to change my avatar because "it could lead others to feel uncomfortable" and "we" requested that I choose a more positive or neutral image for my avatar! It was a Pink Floyd cover! This I found exceptionally disturbing, there seems to be a very strong undercurrent here........watch this post disappear (and maybe me!)

"it could lead others to feel uncomfortable"
An assumption based on one's own fear.

What constitutes positive and neutral?

Malletzky · 03-02-2010, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Reunite;246418[COLOR="Orange"

]"it could lead others to feel uncomfortable"[/COLOR]
An assumption based on one's own fear.

What constitutes positive and neutral?

We have a thread on this Forum, which leaded others to feel uncomfortable...and the situation escalated until that particular thread was temporarily locked.

Now it's your Avatar. Changed, as it 'could' (or it did already???) lead others to feel uncomfrtable.

What's / who's next?

Until some posters enforced their own private 'kingdom' here? Which would only suit their perceptions of comfortable/uncomfortable?

burgundia · 03-02-2010, 01:12 PM

And now I think it was all done on purpose....though I do not know whose??

Stargazer1965 · 03-02-2010, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Malletzky

We have a thread on this Forum, which leaded others to feel uncomfortable...and the situation escalated until that particular thread was temporarily locked.

Now it's your Avatar. Changed, as it 'could' (or it did already???) lead others to feel uncomfrtable.

What's / who's next?

Until some posters enforced their own private 'kingdom' here? Which would only suit their perceptions of comfortable/uncomfortable?

I'm not comfortable with myself on most days....but I still put up with me till it passes

peace Y'all

Malletzky · 03-02-2010, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Stargazer1965

I'm not comfortable with myself on most days....but I still put up with me till it passes
peace Y'all

Well this really is a great and honest attitude Stargazer

...but we obviously have some posters here, who're not comfortable with many other things...and are not that honest as you are...

waitinginthewings · 03-02-2010, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

I think there are some issues with some mods? Ive recently had a mod pm me asking me to change my avatar because "it could lead others to feel uncomfortable" and "we" requested that I choose a more positive or neutral image for my avatar! It was a Pink Floyd cover! This I found exceptionally disturbing, there seems to be a very strong undercurrent here........watch this post disappear (and maybe me!)

I really like your new avatar.

Clarityofawareness · 03-02-2010, 05:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

I think there are some issues with some mods? Ive recently had a mod pm me asking me to change my avatar because "it could lead others to feel uncomfortable" and "we" requested that I choose a more positive or neutral image for my avatar! It was a Pink Floyd cover! This I found exceptionally disturbing, there seems to be a very strong undercurrent here........watch this post disappear (and maybe me!)

Are you serious? You can't be that paranoid... right? What is your agenda here anyways? Sorry but when folks explain or attempt to promote some form of fear or other low frequency publicly, something must be done about it. Like right away! Bare with me please.

btw I feel very uncomfortable concerning your avatar, will you comply by removing it now pls? Okay... "Pretty please?" No? Well that's ok because I believe your correct in keeping your avatar the way that you like it. So long as forum rules agree which I'm sure they do. I don't know much about copyright material and you claim to be using something like that, I dunno. Maybe you bought that album so you own it and can place it on the internet? Again I don't know copyright laws well, sorry.

However, what ever you and that other mod have between each other is your business, not mine or anyone else here. Sorry I just don't feel to comfortable around those who so freely and willingly talk about other people. Such in my opinion doesn't immediately, completely and evenly defend all involved as well. Are you a mod in another forum or have you ever moderated a forum or chat room for over six months?

Because that does make a big difference in my opinion. You see being a mod, especially one who volunteers her or his own time and energy and intellect to such a large forum, like this one, should be paid money for all the stuff they must endure. Guess what? A mature mod, one who goes by all forum rules doesn't complain to the internet public especially to his or her forum members concerning those whom cause her or him any grief about anything in life. If so then such mods should seriously rethink about staying in any forum as "mods". Have I moderated any forums before??

You bet I have.

So it's like your saying that the public in this whole forum, or at least those who've read your comment concerning your mod in question, should now take your word that the mod is wrong (or negative?) and that we all must now judge that mod?? What right does anyone have to judge anyone? Am I better than you are you better than me, for that is a form of judging. Why couldn't you just contact the forum supervisor and tell them what happened between you & that mod?

Even if you did contact any mod supervisor why are you still complaining here and now? If you couldn't get it resolved then that is the only logical reason why your explaining it all or some of it here in my opinion. Now if, only if, it wasn't resolved between you, the mod and the mods supervisor(s), then friend me and you should definitely talk about it all right now and get it out in the open more. If so please tell me the mods name and I'll invite her or him here to present more information here as well.

Another point is that we all, me especially are here to learn and evolve, not continue any more low frequency. Like you I too make mistakes but I also try to resolve things as a whole (for all involved). Doesn't mean that I am a saint either. Even if this is your way of venting, by explaining your mod story to all here, then it's still not good in my opinion.

For me it's more about knowing that everyone does change for the better, especially mods & members in this forum. We all must change together by helping each other. Like giving each other more perspectives on what ever challenges we all face. Hopefully your not offended by my perspectives here. You may even experience them for yourself if you chose to and I really hope you do.

btw, I am no more special than you and we both (believe it or not) needed to say what we had to say here. Call it life path of education if you like. My main point is that I do not desire any more challenges for AVALON, Project Camelot and all involved already have in life. If I am wrong for having any such perspectives then ban me from this forum right now.

Kevin

kriya · 03-02-2010, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

I think there are some issues with some mods? Ive recently had a mod pm me asking me to change my avatar because "it could lead others to feel uncomfortable" and "we" requested that I choose a more positive or neutral image for my avatar! It was a Pink Floyd cover! This I found exceptionally disturbing, there seems to be a very strong undercurrent here........watch this post disappear (and maybe me!)

I have to agree about the avatar thing. I didn't like it at all. Your new one is much more pleasent

Love,

Kriya

Phoenix · 03-02-2010, 07:34 AM

COA, if you re read this thread you will see there were valid points raised and in a manner I found to be good humour. I mentioned this here because it was relevant to the thread and in context. I did not go into details and I at no point mentioned or hinted at which particular mod was involved. I am not being paranoid (about what I cant think?) I have the pm's and my responses should anyone really, really want to know but there is no point making a big deal out of it. I ges you just let that horse out of the barn! Like I said, this thread seemed to be in go humour but with valid points and questions although it would seem the frequency has dropped now.....

Clarityofawareness · 03-02-2010, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

COA, if you re read this thread you will see there were valid points raised and in a manner I found to be good humour. I mentioned this here because it was relevant to the thread and in context. I did not go into details and I at no point mentioned or hinted at which particular mod was involved. I am not being paranoid (about what I cant think?) I have the pm's and my responses should anyone really, really want to know but there is no point making a big deal out of it. I ges you just let that horse out of the barn! Like I said, this thread seemed to be in go humour but with valid points and questions although it would seem the frequency has dropped now.....

Yes I know, it's obvious that I did not take time to read all threads here, sorry. Good that it drop for those involved. I'm done with it me self as well.

Phoenix · 03-02-2010, 07:47 AM

COA you joined with a protracted rant about this thread and made accusations. You then admit you didnt read the whole thread. No offense but you came in and started throwing bombs and talking about negativity and low frequency etc, thats a bit unfair no?

Clarityofawareness · 03-02-2010, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Phoenix

COA you joined with a protracted rant about this thread and made accusations. You then admit you didnt read the whole thread. No offense but you came in and started throwing bombs and talking about negativity and low frequency etc, thats a bit unfair no?

Did I not just explain to everyone especially you my apology?

03-01-2010, 11:43 PM	#2
sjkted Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: LA County Posts: 361	Re: Why has Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon been deleted? Yep, I read it as well while it was up. It's a strange thing how these good posts keep going away. --sjkted

03-01-2010, 11:50 PM	#3
lightblue Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 360	Re: Why has Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon been deleted? i noticed that as i was in the middle of making a comment..as i pressed to submit i got this: lightblue, you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons: 1. Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system? 2. If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation. wonder what may be the reason... my comment was suportive and general..nothing offensive.. best wishes l

03-01-2010, 11:56 PM	#5
Phoenix Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Posts: 116	Re: Why has Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon been deleted? I think there are some issues with some mods? Ive recently had a mod pm me asking me to change my avatar because "it could lead others to feel uncomfortable" and "we" requested that I choose a more positive or neutral image for my avatar! It was a Pink Floyd cover! This I found exceptionally disturbing, there seems to be a very strong undercurrent here........watch this post disappear (and maybe me!)

03-02-2010, 12:06 AM	#8
lightblue Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 360	Re: Why has Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon been deleted? my post was un-offensive totally... why then? best wishes l your disgruntled cub --

03-02-2010, 12:14 AM	#11
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Re: Why has Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon been deleted? Apologies, a situation arose - things are happening way too fast. Kerry claimed much of it was lies. Bill now confirms it is the truth as he knows it. I am going to put it back now. It was done in the spirit of reducing potential damage, due to post #1 of the thread.

03-01-2010, 11:36 PM	#1
eMonkey Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 19	Why has Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon been deleted? Why has the thread on "Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon chat" been deleted? Are we discussing this like grown ups or was this discussion not allowed and censored by over zealous politically correct moderators? You can't have debate with censorship. Or are we free, to do as you please? Blessings...

03-02-2010, 12:19 AM	#13
Karen Project Avalon Organizer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: NE Oregon boondocks, USA Posts: 1,767	Re: Why has Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon been deleted? Chill please. Phoenix, some of the more tender hearts - have a sensitivity to images. Relax, the mod explained her view, you explained yours, and she backed off. I like nice images too. I have even turned off avatars because there are some I don't want staring at me while I read a post such as the one-eyed ones. We don't all agree - we can't please everyone all the time. We strive for the middle ground. This is a public forum, but a private space with guidelines. This is not a free for all.

03-02-2010, 01:12 PM	#16
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Why has Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon been deleted? And now I think it was all done on purpose....though I do not know whose??

03-02-2010, 07:34 AM	#22
Phoenix Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Posts: 116	Re: Why has Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon been deleted? COA, if you re read this thread you will see there were valid points raised and in a manner I found to be good humour. I mentioned this here because it was relevant to the thread and in context. I did not go into details and I at no point mentioned or hinted at which particular mod was involved. I am not being paranoid (about what I cant think?) I have the pm's and my responses should anyone really, really want to know but there is no point making a big deal out of it. I ges you just let that horse out of the barn! Like I said, this thread seemed to be in go humour but with valid points and questions although it would seem the frequency has dropped now.....

03-02-2010, 07:47 AM	#24
Phoenix Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Posts: 116	Re: Why has Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon been deleted? COA you joined with a protracted rant about this thread and made accusations. You then admit you didnt read the whole thread. No offense but you came in and started throwing bombs and talking about negativity and low frequency etc, thats a bit unfair no?