David Icke on 'Is Alex Jones a Fearmonger'

[aroundthetable]

[Seashore]

God bless all three men: David Icke, Alex Jones, and Bill Ryan.

Thank you for posting this.

[aroundthetable]

Your welcome Seashore.

With all the so called in fighting, these three big hitters are united. A lesson to us all to stop the inhouse squabbling. That does not mean we should lap it all up without keeping our own critical facility intact.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by aroundthetable

Your welcome Seashore.

With all the so called in fighting, these three big hitters are united. A lesson to us all to stop the inhouse squabbling. That does not mean we should lap it all up without keeping our own critical facility intact.

I agree with you. We need to contribute our constructive criticism when it is warranted - all in the interest of our pursuit of the truth and love for humanity.

[mu2143]

Exactly what the problem is with many people here they do not want to here the truth, because there in a state of fear using religion as an exuse

Religion is to control people using a false ->belief<- systems and It is called ignorance.
ignoring the fact on what is realiy going on that is negitive, by filtering that reality out.

And here there is a lot of newagers that go like... ooo it is fearmongering when they them self do not really know what there talking about is there own state of being.(They talk about love when there in a state of FEAR, is what I call lying to your self by pretending love) which in it self is another form of dictatorship

It is like Excuse me, most people who get the information for the first time on what is going on call this negitive when the world there live in is that of the TV/Newspaper/Radio/science which in it self is another religion without a GOD in it.

And those people call them self awake...... NOT!!!

[Zeddo]

The most valid posting I have seen in quite a while, thanks.

It's time a lot of people "got their heads out of the sand".

edit: It is also called "growing up". I really enjoy the part where he says "Every group has their version of the cavalry coming to save them". This is so true. In this forum it just happens to be the aliens, and I won't go into that because anyone who has read what I have said on this topic is familiar with where I stand and "being victims".

Z

[aroundthetable]

Thanks Zed, made my false ego tingle

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by mu2143

Exactly what the problem is with many people here they do not want to here the truth, because there in a state of fear using religion as an exuse

Religion is to control people using a false ->belief<- systems and It is called ignorance.
ignoring the fact on what is realiy going on that is negitive, by filtering that reality out.

And here there is a lot of newagers that go like... ooo it is fearmongering when they them self do not really know what there talking about is there own state of being.(They talk about love when there in a state of FEAR, is what I call lying to your self by pretending love) which in it self is another form of dictatorship

It is like Excuse me, most people who get the information for the first time on what is going on call this negitive when the world there live in is that of the TV/Newspaper/Radio/science which in it self is another religion without a GOD in it.

And those people call them self awake...... NOT!!!

Not even close, MU. This post misses on many levels. It might be true for some people. I don't know. But it's certainly not true for many of the people you've accused of this very thing, like moi. I have no fear, yet I really don't want to hear the fearmongering anymore, because it has nothing to do with the "truth" 90% of the time. What it has to do with is rumours, innuendos, speculations, gossip, disinfo, lies, possibilities, NLP and PTB plans, (which have little chance of being permitted by those of us who really are awake).

What do these people like Icke, Jones, Rense, Quayle, Deagle, etc really know? They know no more than you or I. They "THINK". They wallow around in all this mental construction of their's and mix facts with their own speculations, and often faulty intuition.

Can you conceive of people having different realities? Can you and I look at the same thing and see different things? Ask any cop investigating an accident what it's like to try to match 3 or 4 eyewitness testimonies. People don't set off to see what's there. People place there what they expect to see, and then pretend to be shocked when that's what they find there. LOL!

Different people can look at things in their own way, and not be necessarily wrong for it, even when their way of looking at something seems odd to you.

Personally, I went through the whole cycle of "religiously" following several dozen "alt news" sites, like Jones, Icke, Rense, Quayle, and many other "watchers and reporters". Until I realized that I was unknowingly chasing my own fears around. And that's not bad at all, because having exposed myself, I was able to locate within myself what that outside fear was mirroring inside of myself, and I was able to clear it out.

THEN I was able to open my eyes and really see the bigger picture.

I recognize where you are at, because I went through the same thing myself. Accusing people of being blind or afraid of looking at the truth. Until I realized how presumptuous that was of me, and how none of the nonsense I was afraid of and trying to convince others they should also be afraid of, ever came to pass. Remember all that hype about the fema trains. OOOOOH, they're lined up right outside my town. I can see them when I climb up this high tree. Run for the hills. It's GOING ON RIGHT NOW RIGHT UNDER OUR NOSES AND YOU PEOPLE ARE SLEEPING THROUGH IT. DON"T BLAME ME WHEN YOUR DOOR COMES CRASHING IN AT 3:00 AM AND YOU ARE HAULED AWAY TO THE CAMPS FOR YOUR RE-EDUCATION!!!!!!!

There are a hundred of these, and none of them have, nor will they, come to pass. The most damaging one I've seen yet, I think, was Icke's Reptilian stuff. That seems to just throw people for a terror trip, for some reason. I've run into reptilian's, and they only wish they were scary. But you get all these terrified children running around yelling the "aliens are coming to take our children and eat them, and AAAAAHHHHHH! It's just ludicrous. That is simply not going on. It used to, maybe, although I believe 90% of that was misunderstood/misinterpreted too, and it was really something else going on that they were simply not aware of.

This subject deserves it's own thread, so when I get a chance I'll start one on this misconception about fear/love and we can discuss this till the subject dies of old age.

[aroundthetable]

Hi Myplanet, you write like a very thoughtful soul, start your thread Your right, getting beyond the fear is the goal, these commentators though are playing a role to establish that there is something wrong with how things are, next stop,,,,no fear, and its up to us to take the message further.

You might be interested in this,

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...chance&view=3#

[Malletzky]

MP2, thanks for your post...it really mirrors the way I also see the things.

One MUST rely on his own guidance. Educate and inform yourself, YES...but don't ever blindly 'follow' some others 'agenda'.

As you mentioned Icke:

I was given Icke's book 'the biggest secret' and after reading about 120 pages of it, I had to dismiss the book, the whole content and, as a logical consequence, to dismiss the credibility of David Icke. It's just HIS own view and interpretation. Nothing more, nothing less. He knows he can do it better...as he really knows more that he says...

I also refuse to 'fear', as there's nothing to fear. Everything is perfect, as it should be. 'Time' will tell...

malletzky

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Malletzky

I was given Icke's book 'the biggest secret' and after reading about 120 pages of it, I had to dismiss the book, the whole content and, as a logical consequence, to dismiss the credibility of David Icke. It's just HIS own view and interpretation.

Often I wonder, what if the only way people like David Icke can let out genuine information is to mix it with obviously ridiculous information. I'm not too familiar with the man's work or his background, but for example, what I thought after watching a few of his interviews is that he will talk about a great many things that are absolutely true, then as a finale will go on to assert that reptiles rule the earth, after all the hard facts he shares.

What if this is a well known method within intel communities of letting out real information to the public and by mixing it with a few lies, perhaps they are allowed to tell stories and share such info?

Think about it, this scenario serves in the interests of both parties, both the people who want that info secret, and the person who wants to let out some of that info.

TPTB would see it as a way of a person discrediting his own info and hence mission accomplished, and the person sharing would think he/she is doing the world some justice by blowing the whistle on some real information anyway, even if some lies are to be told.

Just a theory.

[synchronistic9]

Alex Jones is good for those who need to be shouted at to wake up. That being said, for those who are allready woke up, why the shouting man, i don't need to hear that anymore therefore i don't listen to him anymore. Also he is very rude and cuts people off to preach his agenda and he doesnt discuss certain things such as the vatican conspiracy as layed out by eric jon phelps. He wont debate it either, he just acts like he knows it all and doesnt want someone trumping his limelight. I've noticed with these type personalities that they love to be in control of the info being the one diseminating it to the so called ignorant, but when someone else tries to bring new info to him, he filters it through his own flawed reasoning to suit his agenda and any info he doesnt like is discarded even if it is well backed up. It comes down to an open mind of which he doesnt have in my opinion and when you close yourself off too much you build a wall around you. And look at his behaviour at the gun rally in austin,Tx recently. If you havent seen it, it is all over youtube. He shouts with his bullhorn over speakers who are pro-gun like he owns the place and tells a lady "youve got a hard-on for me", and tells her to get out of his face cause he has freedom of speech. Oh the arrogance. He is a disgrace in my opinion!

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by synchronistic9

Also he is very rude and cuts people off to preach his agenda and he doesnt discuss certain things such as the vatican conspiracy as layed out by eric jon phelps.

Eric Jon Phelps is a racist, a sexist, and thinks the sun revolves around the earth.

[Majorion]

If you Google search: Alex Jones Zionist
You get 171,000 results.

Now that's a lot of dirt on just one guy. And its very specific information, I worry that this may be true, because although much information discussed by AJ is correct, he has a broad reach and if these allegations are true then we must find out one way or the other and ascertain the motives.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Majorion

If you Google search: Alex Jones Zionist
You get 242,000 results.

Now that's a lot of dirt on just one guy. And its very specific information, I worry that this may be true, because although much information discussed by AJ is correct, he has a broad reach and if these allegations are true then we must find out one way or the other and ascertain the motives.

Which article do you propose is worth paying attention to because you've read it and you believe it to be true?

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Seashore

Which article do you propose is worth paying attention to because you've read it and you believe it to be true?

On the very first article here: http://www.opposingdigits.com/alex/

There is a ton of information on that page, that by and large demonstrates these allegations true.

[synchronistic9]

yes sheashore I have also listened to freemans interview with eric jon phelps and to say sun revolves around sun is odd but the man interviewing him believes Obama is a cloned replica of akenahaten.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by synchronistic9

yes sheashore I have also listened to freemans interview with eric jon phelps and to say sun revolves around sun is odd

You mean to say sun revolves around earth...

Originally Posted by synchronistic9

but the man interviewing him believes Obama is a cloned replica of akenahaten.

Yeah, I know. There is very advanced technology that we all need to research. And we all need to observe and connect dots.

I find Freeman to be very credible, as I do Alex Jones.

[synchronistic9]

so your gonna take what freeman says about obama being cloned without proof and not question the sanity of it yet discrediting eric jon phelps for saying as equal an insane thing and saying alex jones is credible , have you seen the videos of him at the gun rally acting like a maniac? oh yea thats credible to me! LOL! he also bought a house worth $726,000. I guess all that credibility making him rich!

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by synchronistic9

so your gonna take what freeman says about obama being cloned without proof and not question the sanity of it yet discrediting eric jon phelps for saying as equal an insane thing

I disagree that the two assertions are parallel.

Originally Posted by synchronistic9

have you seen the videos of him at the gun rally acting like a maniac?

No. I'm not interested.

Originally Posted by synchronistic9

! he also bought a house worth $726,000.

This is irrelvant.

Maybe if he bought a $2,000,000 home I might want to do some checking...

I have been listening to Alex Jones for four years. He actually reads legislation and United Nations documents. He reads books. He talks to the police and other contacts. He connects dots. He sees below the surface. He knows what he's talking about. He's the spearhead of the movement to push back the New World Order agenda, as far as I'm concerned.

[synchronistic9]

no your not interested? So if alex does step out of line or acts like a maniac, its hear no evil see no evil, if i dont see it it doesnt exist stance? No one is free from criticism! check out your hero in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw

[synchronistic9]

Eric Jon Phelps exposes Jesuit-CIA Alex Jones 8/15/07 C&D1/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDUMp0OniVI

[mu2143]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mu2143 View Post
Sorry I dis agree, because love is using your own power to create without controlling others.(Co-creating)

Fear is a state when your using your power of deception to control others!!
(Destruction)
Don't need to discuss what love and fear is. You should know this already!!!!
Does that mean you won't be participating in you new thread?

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ad.php?t=20075

I kind of hoped you would.

Why? I already know what right and whats wrong by hart.
and I stated the difference between fear and love it is simple

Another one for fear is when your have no wisdom and no knowledge then you can be controlled

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by synchronistic9

no your not interested? So if alex does step out of line or acts like a maniac, its hear no evil see no evil, if i dont see it it doesnt exist stance? No one is free from criticism! check out your hero in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZT7BW2CaPUw

I might at some point. But not because you're commanding that I do so.

I will spend my time watching videos that I think are of value.

There is a huge amount of stuff out there. I am selective about how I spend my time.

Also, this thread is taking on a nasty tone. It's probably not going to be worth much more of my time.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by Seashore

He's the spearhead of the movement to push back the New World Order agenda, as far as I'm concerned.

Seashore, I think this is the single most important point you bring up about Alex Jones. The New World Order. What if you found out all these conspiracy theories pinning everything on NWO were actually a clever ruise to cover for the real bad guys. And as you say; Alex Jones is the spearhead to 'push' (or push back) the New World Order agenda.

Fact is the world is far too tumultous and divided and so many wars and conflicts still going on, the idea that true globalization or a one world government is anywhere near our timeframe is absurd and a deliberate ghost chase for the alternative community. So here we have a conspiracy theory that isn't much of a conspiracy, the fact that a one world government will someday happen; nobody is even denying. So why is Alex Jones promoting this NWO nonsense, especially since hes a major source of influence within the truth communities, his opinions carry weight, its obvious.

Now there are two explanations for this; either he's an accomplice deliberately pushing this train of thought, or, the possibility I find more likely, is that he's been compromised or silenced by these same people, and hence not an agent, but nevertheless compromised.

The group I am positing here that are silencing Alex Jones or all together him being an accomplice: The Anti-Defamation League.

Conversely, there are sources outright confirming his promotion by the ADL.

On a side note, I fully understand and appreciate the fact there are many people who are constantly discredited within these fields, however all the evidence clearly points to foul play here and it cannot be brushed away or denied, it must be confronted if its true, not buried, and it is extremely unlikely that its not true.