Open Letter to the "troublemakers"...

[Stargazer1965]

I know the Mods banned the several alliterations of yourself and removed the overly offensive posts last evening. I was privy to the threads that were removed later in the night.

I know you are still prowling and thinking to yourself that they can't keep me out...I'll create several more IDs.

I'd like to make a few points.

Those alter egos really don't fool anyone. You start with actually trying to play nice then all forms of you degenerate into name calling and dealers of abuse.

Claiming to be a victim when you are just projecting your inner loathing and confusion of yourself onto us.

Or you project your parents on us.

Or the bully who beat you in School.

We are aren't any of those and all of those.

We are on a journey of trying to find a higher purpose to the madness around us.

To GROW

I guess what I want to tell you is that for all your rantings about hypocrisy you are not doing yourself any kind of service and from what I can tell you are devolving.

Can I give some friendly advice before you jump back in the fray?

You aren't going to win over anyone because in your time here you go against the entire reason for this forum...TO GROW

You are trying to stop a freight train with your bare hands.

You know when Beren started here we clashed over religion but now I'm proud to call the man BROTHER.

I don't use that term very often but in seeing him and not his views...I begin to understand and GROW.

So anyways....take some time and THINK what you want from here and your life.

There are lots of good folks here...take the time and be a part of this GROWING experience.

Peace

[Leunamros]

sounds cliché man, but you have been trolled, lol

[Stargazer1965]

I thought somehow you'd say that....

Nope not TROLLED...I'm reaching out to another person and trying to lend a hand.

[Leunamros]

im used to say that. Simple, easy and efficient.

[Carol]

Good gad! Why the taunting? What's that all about?

[Tango]

Yeah.... I, bet he is running a REAL Pity Party on the mod squad.....


This is the SAME jerk... That Anchor let, do a Cry Baby thread, before he left.

Whereas, me looking at making myself Laugh... When Anchor, asked if he should

rename the thread... I popped in with rename it ' Bobbit ' cause it was going to

get Cut short... [Laughing] Anchor, banned me... LOL, I finally washed the

kitchen floor... Before that I thought, Anchor was a little more quick witted...

Now, I've slowed it down soooo, he can catch up...

Laughing. Tell me, they are NOT going to give ' Lenny ', another " Pity Party "


Come On mods... Screw that thinking cap on...


Trooly,



Tango

The Force is withIn you...

[waitinginthewings]

I have a question for a mod or a hall monitor or whoever knows the answer.
Why is a member who is banned allowed to still post......I always understood "banned" meant, out the door....no more posting.
I'm puzzled about this.

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

I have a question for a mod or a hall monitor or whoever knows the answer.
Why is a member who is banned allowed to still post......I always understood "banned" meant, out the door....no more posting.
I'm puzzled about this.

Bans can be temporary. Bans made in error can be reversed. While a person is banned however, they cannot post.

A..

[Moxie]

m1*?
Get your hands on and read Voyagers I & II
It will explain what is happening and how to deal with it.
You might want to read Angelic Realities first, TWICE as the 2nd time you will open to it with amazing ease.

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Bans can be temporary. Bans made in error can be reversed. While a person is banned however, they cannot post.

A..

I find this confusing? I understand the part about a ban made in error. But I have seen many times trolls with a banned banner and there still posting, & eventually they stop posting (I assume there a/c was shut down) Why would a troll have a temporary ban?

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

I find this confusing? I understand the part about a ban made in error. But I have seen many times trolls with a banned banner and there still posting, & eventually they stop posting (I assume there a/c was shut down) Why would a troll have a temporary ban?

There is always hope that people can change. Sometimes people make mistakes and need another chance.

Banned people cannot post. What you have seen is simply posts that were made before they were banned.

In some cases the posts of banned people are removed by the moderators - or even entire threads if they are totally disruptive to the forum. That does not always happen.

A..

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by Anchor

There is always hope that people can change. Sometimes people make mistakes and need another chance.

Banned people cannot post. What you have seen is simply posts that were made before they were banned.what I have seen & am enquiring about is the so-called banned posters (banned under their avatar name) who are still posting....these are not regular forum member, but the disruptive one who have been coming in here for some time now. Why are they being giving a temporary ban, instead of a permanent ban?

In some cases the posts of banned people are removed by the moderators - or even entire threads if they are totally disruptive to the forum. That does not always happen.

A..

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[Karen]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

what I have seen & am enquiring about is the so-called banned posters (banned under their avatar name) who are still posting....these are not regular forum member, but the disruptive one who have been coming in here for some time now. Why are they being giving a temporary ban, instead of a permanent ban?

That is really confusing when people put their answer inside someone else's quote - sorry I deleted it thinking the ........... at the end was to edit out a previously made reply. You can manually insert the {quote} and {/quote} tags to separate two parts of the post you are replying to. Just use the square cornered bracket [ instead of {.

Who is this banned user or users that are posting? PM me if you like. Something is not right if that is true.

A person marked with banned should not be able to post. And if they were let back on to post again, it should no longer say "banned.

[waitinginthewings]

Karen: as of now (to my knowledge) there are no banned posters posting. However I have noticed over the weeks recently on several occasions posts made by some of the many aliasis who were under a ban....I think Arcora was one....sorry I have lost track of all the names...so many here lately. But they were part of that group that we were having problems with. I remember looking at their posts and wondering why they were still posting, I found it confusing. Today I decided to ask about this. Anchors answer left me even more confused....sorry Anchor. Are the rules on banning very "flexible" depending on who the mod is that particular day, and/or who the person is that is being banned....

[Karen]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

Karen: as of now (to my knowledge) there are no banned posters posting. However I have noticed over the weeks recently on several occasions posts made by some of the many aliasis who were under a ban....I think Arcora was one....sorry I have lost track of all the names...so many here lately. But they were part of that group that we were having problems with. I remember looking at their posts and wondering why they were still posting, I found it confusing. Today I decided to ask about this.

The way you describe it that should not be possible. Once a ban is made there are no more posts from that UserName. Instantly. I would suggest they were posts made just before they were banned that you had not seen yet. If you see it again - notify me and another moderator or administrator who is currently online.

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

Anchors answer left me even more confused....sorry Anchor. Are the rules on banning very "flexible" depending on who the mod is that particular day, and/or who the person is that is being banned....

We've got 4 mods/admins that have been doing duty for over 1 year. No banning and very little deletion has happened since 2 of those people joined the team. So we have 2 people with practical banning experience on this forum, and it's the holiday season. OMG I didn't even know how to use the ban function until very very recently.

We have 11 new mod team people in various stages of training, while we are being bombarded with troublemakers and holiday absences. All mods who are online at that time are asked to give a vote/and or comments/opinions. The goal: there should be very little flexibility. Anchor is going a great job getting all on the same page, but it's not going as fast if it were not for the season. Happy New Year! My favorite day of the year is Jan 2.

[Kamikaze]

I just have to ask...

Who still thinks I'm one of the aliases? There were some pretty bad words directed at me in the beginning for siding whit some of his views.

[BROOK]

All I know is..the posting privilege got out of hand...in one post I was "marked dead" and it was know way before it got to that point vthat they were playing their game.

I don't think anybody here should have to be told they are "marked dead"

It should not be allowed to get to that point when it is obvious that they are doing a number on the forum

And I was not the only one threatened in this manner.

But it seems you all have a handle on it now...so keep up the good work Mods...they must not be allowed to play their dark game here

If they have something worthy to say without being insulting and offensive..then let them say it..otherwise be gone I say

[WinterWolf]

Talk about an unnecessary thread. All this does is foster more hatred and disgruntlement. Tauntng does what for anyone? Does it make a person seem more knowledgable and spiritually enlightened?

To whomever said something amng the lines of we are growing. The forum has grown; I think you miss the point. Growing is not the size ofthe board. Growing is enhancing one's own understanding of self and becoming more awareness of the world around us.

I've noticed some folk like to "troll" threads. Why? Is it some twisted need to be noticed just to get a reaction good or bad? If so, I wish you well in trying to fill whatever void you must have that is causing you to bahave in the way you do. I hope you folk find whatever it is you are seeking.

I find it rather silly for people to cry foul when the folk who are supposed to oversee this board do their jobs and perhaps end up banning folk.

Mature adult behavior seems a bit lacking here. Juvenile schoolyard antics seem to be prevailing.

How does anyone thnk they can be more than they are if they are too busy trying to show somene else up or by cutting them down? Is this how "enlightened" people should act?

Winter Wolf

[BROOK]

It is one thing to express a difference of opinion..it is another thing all together to be told you are "marked dead"

I am all for debate...but not up for some child's game...and threats

[WinterWolf]

Originally Posted by BROOK

It is one thing to express a difference of opinion..it is another thing all together to be told you are "marked dead"

I am all for debate...but not up for some child's game...and threats

Yes, you've stated that already. Why are you letting whoever it is that is "threatening" you to hold so much power over you? Why worry about them at all unless they actually show up on your doorstep to kill you?

All you are doing is adding more fuel to the fire.

Winter Wolf

[Anchor]

I must not fear.
Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear.
I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing.
Only I will remain.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene_Ge...y_against_fear

Much of the above is worth a second thought.

A..

[WinterWolf]

Originally Posted by Anchor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bene_Ge...y_against_fear

Much of the above is worth a second thought.

A..

Aaah. The Litany against fear from Dune. I've posted that a time or two myself but maybe not to this particular forum.

I've always liked it. The movie is good too.

Winter Wolf

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by WinterWolf

Yes, you've stated that already. Why are you letting whoever it is that is "threatening" you to hold so much power over you? Why worry about them at all unless they actually show up on your doorstep to kill you?

All you are doing is adding more fuel to the fire.

Winter Wolf

Winter Wolf, you may not have seen it, but there were enough members here to see, that since that incident..that I showed absolutely "no fear" of these jokers.
They hold no power or fear over me.

Fuel to the fire? I'm only addressing the posts in this thread.

There was one nagging thing that was bothering me for about a week now..
but I got my answer...and all I can say is.....GAME OVER

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Winter Wolf, you may not have seen it, but there were enough members here to see, that since that incident..that I showed absolutely "no fear" of these jokers.
They hold no power or fear over me.

Fuel to the fire? I'm only addressing the posts in this thread.

There was one nagging thing that was bothering me for about a week now..
but I got my answer...and all I can say is.....GAME OVER

Brook

I certainly saw it. The exact quote and entire post was from arcora (now banned) - it is still on the forum actually in your Energy Vampires thread.

"nobody wants your energy brook...you're dying. "

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...7&postcount=41

Now I agree that this is an awful sounding thing to say to someone but it is not a threat. It is simply an opinion. It is not marking someone for death either. It is far to easy to mix up this one with some of the other posts from members who apparently friends with arcora who stated: "Your soul is marked" or some such things.

Ultimately all the people on this forum are just that. People. Some can't get along and wont play respectfully - something which is demanded in the forum guidelines. If they dont stop they get stopped.

@All: On respect

This is addressed at everyone on this forum from Bill and Kerry downwards.

Brook I am not making a big deal out of this small point to single you out in particular, but as an example of the type of thing I see on here: referring to "these jokers" exhibits some, albeit mild, prejudice. I wish we could all stop calling people names, derogatory things - just speak plainly. I use this only as an example - there are others, sorry I picked on yours.

If I was one of "these jokers" - a group of friends - and you referred to me as a "joker" I suppose I would probably fight back - hard - and my friends would join in - and that's where the problems start. That is why we have ongoing problems with the banned people making accounts and trying to get back in under different aliases. All based on lack of respect.

Did Tango show any respect? Nope - he made (maybe even potentially innocently - its irrelevant now) a remark that could be construed as sexual in nature at Nykki.

Nykki probably doesnt know that Tango very often doesnt speak in complete sentences and has a cryptic manner that made her posts look like beautiful flowing prose by comparison, and his masonic "G" (G-Spot) reference was confused by interpretation. Consequently my entire last three days of forum management activity has been spend dealing with that issue and its fallout.

It could have been solved with an apology or an explanation. It was not. It still could be actually - theres a hope...

The moderator on point GaiaLove acted as moderators do. He put the fire out but it has not solved the underlying problem. Lack of respect. When moderators take action and deploy power - it invariably causes side-effects. Raises the bar of bad feeling. Someone like me understands this because I have been moderating on-line discussions since before the internet, back in the days of dialup modems - BBS's and compuserve. Lots of people on this forum were not even born. I see how it works.

It wasnt fair that Tango's post was not deleted along with all the ensuing flamewar. I missed it. It is deleted now. There is a case for GaiaLove to apologise though in my eyes that is less important.

They (Scarab/Aloe/Nykki & Co.) were not shown respect. Especially Nykki. Do you think they deserved any respect?

Well guess what ? I do.

Even if we had a leathery winged demon from the depths of the abyss posting here, they deserve respect. Even if it was Saddam Hussein / George Bush / name your villains here... - same applies. Even if it was your worst enemy. This is a forum. It is only words - but they are words that are your power, your creation and all I want to see and continue to fight for is that power deployed with love and respect.

I know I am probably in the minority here - and this is not my forum so I dont always get my own way - but respect is the one shining part of the forum guidelines that will ensure our continued survival as a group. It is all I ask now - it is all that is needed.

"These Jokers" think they deserve an apology. They might even be right. Things got out of hand. The moderators have decided they will not be allowed back. Thats now the way it is right now and we will do our best. On reflection I think to some extent this is a cop out. So I am raising the subject one last time.

Yes we have seen calls to "just ignore the trolls". I think that is a naive idea and it wont work. It never works.

I dont want you to ignore them. I want you to treat them with respect - even people who are determined to be troublemakers in the eyes of the majority- as the forum guidelines insist. If you don't things go south very quickly.

Everyone on this forum deserves respect.

It is mandatory on this forum.

I think though I ask too much. Do you?

I think the future of this forum is in the balance on this singular issue.

A..

PS: I amended the thread title to avoid singling out people.

[Northern Boy]

They (Scarab/Aloe/Nykki & Co.) were not shown respect. Especially Nykki. Do you think they deserved any respect

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I have too disagree here i saw nykki come on and knew who she was let her post and things seemed good then she flew in to a little temper tantrum like I have seen on A/V so many times . That is when I made a comment to her and 371 seeing the mess stepped up to take the blame aS HE WAS ALSO POSTING IN THIS THREAD Nykki seeing the error of her ways started to remove her posts so that is how I saw it A THE FACT THEY TIED TO SHIFT THE BLAME AND DELETE IT SHOWS DIFFERENT


Aloe what would you have me say here she was mocking the whole forum with her video posts of zombies and death **** like you and I saw over at A/V iwas sick of it over there and din`t need to see it again


Scarab do I really need to explain it to you don`t think so if you feel you want to learn more from them simply let anchor know and he can set it up that you can go to there forum and see it there they won`t come here and post it its out of their control so there you have it

Aloe and Scarab showed no respect for the members here or their beliefs and were confronational more than anything else . NYKKI WAS RESPECTFUL AT THE START TILL HER SLIP THAT I WILL GIVE HER