Spate of banned members..

TruthWalker · 12-16-2009, 07:39 AM

There has been a spate of banned members lately.

I have a suggestion. Instead of evicting members that do not easily follow the majority consensus, it might be more appropriate for the community to get together and participate in an intelligent conversation -- with the said member.

You know, communication can do wonders. If I thought these banned members were really trolls, I wouldn't be making this post. However, I can clearly see that they are not. They are more often than not members that do not agree with the forum consensus.

Anyone who goes against the forum consensus around here, and disagrees too often has two things happen: 1). Victimization by a group of regulars who have agreed what the consensus is (note: a new member may not "realize" that what they're saying isn't a forum consensus -- keep that in mind), 2). They are eventually banned for being a "troll". Ironically, if you go through the posts of all concerned, it is the regular members doing all the trolling and making all the insulting and negative comments.

So, My suggestion is: Take it easy with the ban button. Communication and sincerity works a LOT better. I haven't seen that tried around here. All I see are concerns being ignored and regular members being allowed to victimize whoever they like until they get upset, fire back, and are banned.

Do you want a constructive community or not? Then think about this post..

Boober · 12-16-2009, 07:42 AM

As a new member myself I am curious , who got banned and for what? What type of censorship are discussing here?

waitinginthewings · 12-16-2009, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Boober

As a new member myself I am curious , who got banned and for what? What type of censorship are discussing here?

WarriorServant, Acora, both got banned. However WarriorServant has come back again today and is operating under other alias's. & truthwalker is one of them.

TruthWalker · 12-16-2009, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

WarriorServant, Acora, both got banned. However WarriorServant has come back again today and is operating under other alias's.

It's absolutely pointless to ban people. It makes more sense to work out what the problem is and fix it so the community can run better in the future. Banning anyone people don't like is silly. We all can't like everyone. That's life. Clicking "ban" is weak.

Ross H · 12-16-2009, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by TruthWalker

It's absolutely pointless to ban people. It makes more sense to work out what the problem is and fix it so the community can run better in the future. Banning anyone people don't like is silly. We all can't like everyone. That's life. Clicking "ban" is weak.

2 members were banned. Both were PM'ed from Moderators, as a line of communication. Both were given the opportunity to 'review' their statements and to try and fit in.

In regards to 'regular' members, several posts were made by Mods, to all those concerned, to refrain from posting unproductive remarks.

After careful consideration, the Moderator team 'worked out the problem' and action was taken.

THE eXchanger · 12-16-2009, 08:21 AM

you mods, know how to,
rock it, and, roll it

TruthWalker · 12-16-2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by eXchanger

you mods, know how to,
rock it, and, roll it

Well lets see..

TruthWalker · 12-16-2009, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Boober

As a new member myself I am curious , who got banned and for what? What type of censorship are discussing here?

It's not censorship per se. It's just that this forum has a mob of regulars who are free to go around saying what they like to and about other members. Unfortunately it is the newer members that are being banned, because they have trouble dealing with the mob.

To see who got banned, just look at some threads around here. You will see on the left: "banned", "banned", "banned".. then if you go and look at the last posts of the member, you will see that they often said nothing insulting at all, but were simply mobbed by a majority that didn't agree and didn't want to hear what the member said. It is the regular members that are being nasty. It's all right here in plain English for all to see. It's actually a bit of a joke.

BROOK · 12-16-2009, 07:52 AM

You only get banned when you break the rules. And they both broke the rules. They also had plenty of warning before the ban

Boober · 12-16-2009, 07:58 AM

Banning happens, everywhere on alll forums lllike this one. What forum out their does not alllow the big "ban" theory. Is this your first time on a forum like this? I have not found one yet that allows anyone to anything they want to whoever they want however they want. So good luck trying to change this fact. Especially coming in as a new member, but I will support ya.

Phr0z3n · 12-16-2009, 07:49 AM

Truthwalker, I answered your first thread pro-actively. However...I'm stunned that after joining today and starting you're thread-making (4 different threads in less than an hour) and responding to them that you had enough time to see that we had a "spate of banned members lately." I'm simply wondering if you were a lurker and joined recently because of this problem or if you really are a new member who had enough time to look through the past couple days of posts and responses.

I am not accusing you of anything, I'm just amazed quite frankly that you were aware of this problem already.

TruthWalker · 12-16-2009, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Phr0z3n

Truthwalker, I answered your first thread pro-actively. However...I'm stunned that after joining today and starting you're thread-making (4 different threads in less than an hour) and responding to them that you had enough time to see that we had a "spate of banned members lately." I'm simply wondering if you were a lurker and joined recently because of this problem or if you really are a new member who had enough time to look through the past couple days of posts and responses.

I am not accusing you of anything, I'm just amazed quite frankly that you were aware of this problem already.

I am aware of many many things, all about this forum, all about its members and all about the administration. I am here to make sure truth gets a chance.

PilotSimone · 12-16-2009, 08:00 AM

I'm not very technical, but I'm trying to understand how the same banned person can keep creating aliases over and over again.

Is it just the username that is banned and nothing more?

Just curious.

I need this info in case I get banned.

TruthWalker · 12-16-2009, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by PilotSimone

I'm not very technical, but I'm trying to understand how the same banned person can keep creating aliases over and over again.

Is it just the username that is banned and nothing more?

Just curious.

I need this info in case I get banned.

This forum identifies banned members by IP, email, username and cookies.

Clear all the above things and you're set to go again.

Like I said: Banning is not only pointless -- it's weak. I understand banning "real" trouble makers (and those that spread porn), but real trouble makers aren't being banned. People who the majority (including the mods) don't agree with are being banned. It's weak. It's the easy way out. Members who post things that others don't agree with are being victimized and then thrown in the "too hard" basket. It can all be fixed and there's no need for the bans if people will just stop turning threads that they don't agree with into a hate filled mockery fest.

BROOK · 12-16-2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by TruthWalker

This forum identifies banned members by IP, email, username and cookies.

Clear all the above things and you're set to go again.

Like I said: Banning is not only pointless -- it's weak. I understand banning "real" trouble makers (and those that spread porn), but real trouble makers aren't being banned. People who the majority (including the mods) don't agree with are being banned. It's weak. It's the easy way out. Members who post things that others don't agree with are being victimized and then thrown in the "too hard" basket. It can all be fixed and there's no need for the bans if people will just stop turning threads that they don't agree with into a hate filled mockery fest.

This problem of banning is only for those who cannot be social enough to debate. And if you cannot do that constructively...you have no business here.

Hate filled mockery? The only ones that had any hateful response were the ones banned. And prompted it. so being that you are new here..maybe before you decide to be a judge..you might want to go back and read the banned members posts. Then decide. And come back with some constructive thoughts in the matter

As you are new here..it might be in your interest to also create some positive threads to assure you are not one of the banned members

TruthWalker · 12-16-2009, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BROOK

This problem of banning is only for those who cannot be social enough to debate. And if you cannot do that constructively...you have no business here.

Hate filled mockery? The only ones that had any hateful response were the ones banned. And prompted it. so being that you are new here..maybe before you decide to be a judge..you might want to go back and read the banned members posts. Then decide. And come back with some constructive thoughts in the matter

As you are new here..it might be in your interest to also create some positive threads to assure you are not one of the banned members

I don't go around proclaiming positive energy. That's useless.

I fix problems. I don't stop until they're fixed.

Northern Boy · 12-16-2009, 02:52 PM

So Michael the owner of Astro Vera banned several members or at least his smurf buddies decided/ alter ego then banned those members often times for simply asking questions . Now we know that some of those members have made there way back over here 2 of them had the courage to use names that some of us were familiar with 371 and of course Michael the aforementioned forum owner used his original name from when he was a member here previously . For that i will give them credit as they did not try to hide behind a screen name those others who have come over it seems lack the true backbone to do so and want to create new names and hide behind them. rest assured they will meet the same fate should they proceed with attempts at disrupting this forum

TruthWalker · 12-16-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Boy

So Michael the owner of Astro Vera banned several members or at least his smurf buddies decided/ alter ego then banned those members often times for simply asking questions . Now we know that some of those members have made there way back over here 2 of them had the courage to use names that some of us were familiar with 371 and of course Michael the aforementioned forum owner used his original name from when he was a member here previously . For that i will give them credit as they did not try to hide behind a screen name those others who have come over it seems lack the true backbone to do so and want to create new names and hide behind them. rest assured they will meet the same fate should they proceed with attempts at disrupting this forum

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about or how it relates to this thread.

dagon · 12-16-2009, 03:15 PM

Im a guest here. and if you misbehave at my house, Ill ask you to leave. posting opinions is like posting a@@ holes. huge waste of time bickering. spiting hairs over egos. if you dont come with respect. you will also be asked to leave.

burgundia · 12-16-2009, 03:18 PM

dagon · 12-16-2009, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by TruthWalker

I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about or how it relates to this thread.

actually i have looked at all posts and I cant for the life of me se what you really doing here. other than trying to get into a pissing contest.

TruthWalker · 12-16-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dagon

actually i have looked at all posts and I cant for the life of me se what you really doing here. other than trying to get into a pissing contest.

I am not trying to do that.

I am trying to stop that from happening.

Best way to accomplish it is to wear it out until everyone is sick of it.

Then people wont have much tolerance for it and we can all get back to posting in peace.

burgundia · 12-16-2009, 03:22 PM

Truthwalker...

Northern Boy · 12-16-2009, 03:25 PM

So I`ll take a stab at boober . After watching the replies to TW posts I`ll bet she is one of 2 people from Astro Vera Diverdown or Shellie .Truthwalker Goes by the name of S-Dorados over there and depending on which hat he is wearing and if he is on his medication Michael .

You give it away trying to justify the posts of the previously banned people . if you have some thing relevant to say then say it if not move on or better yet rent a hall and preach from there .

You can join Michael`s forum oops forgot you are already members there there are several other forums that you can infiltrate and join . Your job is not to come in here and proclaim you have a better more efficient way of running the forum or even dictating what should or shouldn`t be done here if you have something to say the by all means do so . If what you are reading in some threads doesn`t suit your taste`s leave the thread there is no need to stick you comments in on every thread to disrupt it . If it doesn`t suit your taste move on till you find one that does or create your own and work with the people that join it .

The pattern i see is this move to numerous threads injecting comments to illicit a response then leave after getting arise from the members in it eventually creating your own thread like this one to get your audience and then hope to have a meaningful dialogue . Then once you get that audience you can`t seem to understand that your thread can`t stay on topic because your audience isn`t here to pat you on the back but to disrupt your thread and show you the same disrespect you have shown them . Funny what goes around comes around

Dadrious · 12-16-2009, 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Boy

The pattern i see is this move to numerous threads injecting comments to illicit a response then leave after getting arise from the members in it eventually creating your own thread like this one to get your audience and then hope to have a meaningful dialogue . Then once you get that audience you can`t seem to understand that your thread can`t stay on topic because your audience isn`t here to pat you on the back but to disrupt your thread and show you the same disrespect you have shown them . Funny what goes around comes around

Well said.

12-16-2009, 07:39 AM	#1
TruthWalker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 164	Spate of banned members.. There has been a spate of banned members lately. I have a suggestion. Instead of evicting members that do not easily follow the majority consensus, it might be more appropriate for the community to get together and participate in an intelligent conversation -- with the said member. You know, communication can do wonders. If I thought these banned members were really trolls, I wouldn't be making this post. However, I can clearly see that they are not. They are more often than not members that do not agree with the forum consensus. Anyone who goes against the forum consensus around here, and disagrees too often has two things happen: 1). Victimization by a group of regulars who have agreed what the consensus is (note: a new member may not "realize" that what they're saying isn't a forum consensus -- keep that in mind), 2). They are eventually banned for being a "troll". Ironically, if you go through the posts of all concerned, it is the regular members doing all the trolling and making all the insulting and negative comments. So, My suggestion is: Take it easy with the ban button. Communication and sincerity works a LOT better. I haven't seen that tried around here. All I see are concerns being ignored and regular members being allowed to victimize whoever they like until they get upset, fire back, and are banned. Do you want a constructive community or not? Then think about this post..

12-16-2009, 07:42 AM	#2
Boober Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Outside Your Thought Posts: 132	Re: Spate of banned members.. As a new member myself I am curious , who got banned and for what? What type of censorship are discussing here?

12-16-2009, 08:21 AM	#6
THE eXchanger Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Spiritual eXplorer-Canada Posts: 4,915	Re: Spate of banned members.. you mods, know how to, rock it, and, roll it

12-16-2009, 07:52 AM	#9
BROOK Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 3,117	Re: Spate of banned members.. You only get banned when you break the rules. And they both broke the rules. They also had plenty of warning before the ban

12-16-2009, 07:58 AM	#10
Boober Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Outside Your Thought Posts: 132	Re: Spate of banned members.. Banning happens, everywhere on alll forums lllike this one. What forum out their does not alllow the big "ban" theory. Is this your first time on a forum like this? I have not found one yet that allows anyone to anything they want to whoever they want however they want. So good luck trying to change this fact. Especially coming in as a new member, but I will support ya.

12-16-2009, 07:49 AM	#11
Phr0z3n Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Minot, ND Posts: 59	Re: Spate of banned members.. Truthwalker, I answered your first thread pro-actively. However...I'm stunned that after joining today and starting you're thread-making (4 different threads in less than an hour) and responding to them that you had enough time to see that we had a "spate of banned members lately." I'm simply wondering if you were a lurker and joined recently because of this problem or if you really are a new member who had enough time to look through the past couple days of posts and responses. I am not accusing you of anything, I'm just amazed quite frankly that you were aware of this problem already.

12-16-2009, 08:00 AM	#13
PilotSimone Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: US Posts: 114	Re: Spate of banned members.. I'm not very technical, but I'm trying to understand how the same banned person can keep creating aliases over and over again. Is it just the username that is banned and nothing more? Just curious. I need this info in case I get banned.

12-16-2009, 02:52 PM	#17
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Spate of banned members.. So Michael the owner of Astro Vera banned several members or at least his smurf buddies decided/ alter ego then banned those members often times for simply asking questions . Now we know that some of those members have made there way back over here 2 of them had the courage to use names that some of us were familiar with 371 and of course Michael the aforementioned forum owner used his original name from when he was a member here previously . For that i will give them credit as they did not try to hide behind a screen name those others who have come over it seems lack the true backbone to do so and want to create new names and hide behind them. rest assured they will meet the same fate should they proceed with attempts at disrupting this forum

12-16-2009, 03:15 PM	#19
dagon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Glen Ellen Ca Posts: 611	Re: Spate of banned members.. Im a guest here. and if you misbehave at my house, Ill ask you to leave. posting opinions is like posting a@@ holes. huge waste of time bickering. spiting hairs over egos. if you dont come with respect. you will also be asked to leave.

12-16-2009, 03:18 PM	#20
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Spate of banned members..

12-16-2009, 03:22 PM	#23
burgundia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Poland Posts: 3,442	Re: Spate of banned members.. Truthwalker...

12-16-2009, 03:25 PM	#24
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Spate of banned members.. So I`ll take a stab at boober . After watching the replies to TW posts I`ll bet she is one of 2 people from Astro Vera Diverdown or Shellie .Truthwalker Goes by the name of S-Dorados over there and depending on which hat he is wearing and if he is on his medication Michael . You give it away trying to justify the posts of the previously banned people . if you have some thing relevant to say then say it if not move on or better yet rent a hall and preach from there . You can join Michael`s forum oops forgot you are already members there there are several other forums that you can infiltrate and join . Your job is not to come in here and proclaim you have a better more efficient way of running the forum or even dictating what should or shouldn`t be done here if you have something to say the by all means do so . If what you are reading in some threads doesn`t suit your taste`s leave the thread there is no need to stick you comments in on every thread to disrupt it . If it doesn`t suit your taste move on till you find one that does or create your own and work with the people that join it . The pattern i see is this move to numerous threads injecting comments to illicit a response then leave after getting arise from the members in it eventually creating your own thread like this one to get your audience and then hope to have a meaningful dialogue . Then once you get that audience you can`t seem to understand that your thread can`t stay on topic because your audience isn`t here to pat you on the back but to disrupt your thread and show you the same disrespect you have shown them . Funny what goes around comes around