The Bible question

[beren]

These days here on Avalon a quarrel erupted. Opposite sides are throwing rocks in form of words on each other.
Therefore I ask now:

What do you think of Bible?
Why do people freak out when talking about Bible?
Why do 90% of the people who did not even read the Bible dare to bash it?
Is the book judicable by the acts of people who by the way did not even read it?
Why is such a great effort of many to discredit the Bible and yet they are not successful?
Why people connect Bible with religion?
Why people avoid often to even talk of Bible?
Why Bible is the most translated ,read and printed book ever and yet the most persecuted,burned and forbidden ?
Why so much effort to root out the Bible and yet none successful?
Why so many people were tortured and brutally murdered by Catholic and other churches because of possessing the Bible or reading it?
Why despite obvious attempts of certain mistranslations that still the message is crystal clear?


Well I know the answer, some of you saw it from my posts and threads. Some disagree and some agree but so few opinions from the heart!
Many answers I read were a second hand one...

Now really WHY on all above?

[Ammit]

Originally Posted by beren

These days here on Avalon a quarrel erupted. Opposite sides are throwing rocks in form of words on each other.
Therefore I ask now:

What do you think of Bible?
I personaly think the bible was a truth but having been modified so many times, who now knows the truth of it?
Why do people freak out when talking about Bible?
I dont know?
Why do 90% of the people who did not even read the Bible dare to bash it?
I never have and do not plan to either?
Is the book judicable by the acts of people who by the way did not even read it?
I dont know, its a book but who knows if it is actually truthfull?
Why is such a great effort of many to discredit the Bible and yet they are not successful?
I wont discredit anything that I do not understand.
Why people connect Bible with religion?
I connect the bible with religion simply because when ever religion is mentioned to me , so is the bible.
Why people avoid often to even talk of Bible?
I dont avoid it, simply never read it in its entirety.
Why Bible is the most translated ,read and printed book ever and yet the most persecuted,burned and forbidden ?
because of whispers?, tell some one something, ask them to pass it on. You wont get the same story at the end of the line.
Why so much effort to root out the Bible and yet none successful?
Dont know.
Why so many people were tortured and brutally murdered by Catholic and other churches because of possessing the Bible or reading it?
Because we humans cannot agree.
Why despite obvious attempts of certain mistranslations that still the message is crystal clear?
Maybe it is written in a way that we want to read it


Well I know the answer, some of you saw it from my posts and threads. Some disagree and some agree but so few opinions from the heart!
Many answers I read were a second hand one...

Now really WHY on all above?

Well , these are my honest answers, they come from someone who sits on the fence, some one who needs to see what is there, some one who can read the latest novel and say, um, that was good. I never have read the bible, i do not yet plan too soon either. If I decide to gain a faith of any sort it will be with my heart involved and not my head.

[beren]

Originally Posted by Ammit

Well , these are my honest answers, they come from someone who sits on the fence, some one who needs to see what is there, some one who can read the latest novel and say, um, that was good. I never have read the bible, i do not yet plan too soon either. If I decide to gain a faith of any sort it will be with my heart involved and not my head.

Thanks Ammit for honesty!



I would add on your last sentence that I think a man should use both his head and heart... they come in pair ,don`t they?

[Ammit]

My head could be confused, or read something wrong. However my heart would surely show the way.

[beren]

What do you think of Bible?
I think it is a word of God
Why do people freak out when talking about Bible?
because they are scared of certain things written there
Why do 90% of the people who did not even read the Bible dare to bash it?
sheer stupidity
Is the book judicable by the acts of people who by the way did not even read it?
of course not
Why is such a great effort of many to discredit the Bible and yet they are not successful?
they do not like the truths said there, and they are not successful because we see that despite great effort Bible is still a very sought after book
Why people connect Bible with religion?
because religion was attached to it very early in human history and also religion use it as cloak for their deeds
Why people avoid often to even talk of Bible?
they are scared that somebody will label them as Christian loonies
Why Bible is the most translated ,read and printed book ever and yet the most persecuted,burned and forbidden ?
because it tells the truth and simply some can not tolerate that but they are not succeeding in their effort against the Bible
Why so much effort to root out the Bible and yet none successful?
above answer matches really and it is not successful since of divine intervention throughout centuries
Why so many people were tortured and brutally murdered by Catholic and other churches because of possessing the Bible or reading it?
because of capability of an eye opener to people and religion can not allow that because it looses greatly the submission of masses and their wealth
Why despite obvious attempts of certain mistranslations that still the message is crystal clear?
because it is holy spirit who inspired it ,not human mind


That are my answers...

[Ammit]

Beren , I mean no dissrespect when i ask these questions.

Do you think god would have given man a choice?

Do you think god would have been interested in promoting his book like a pedlar?

Would he still love man even if the book was rejected?

[beren]

Originally Posted by Ammit

Beren , I mean no dissrespect when i ask these questions.

Do you think god would have given man a choice?

Do you think god would have been interested in promoting his book like a pedlar?

Would he still love man even if the book was rejected?

Those are excellent questions!

God HAS given man a choice. We chose this reality but with choice comes responsibility so we are living our choice now.

No, I think God did enough to promote his word through ages ,when time comes for setting the bills right no one would have an excuse that he or she did not know. After all it`s been translated into all spoken and a lot of dead languages, it was printed in almost 6 billion copies and many more things.
Virtually,every person on planet in one point of their life have a chance to meet with God`s word. It is up to them what will they choose. Someone may not physically have or read the Bible but if they came in touch with the message from other people and really believe in or dis believe in it ,then all was covered so to say.

No one will be able to excuse themselves in the future that they didn`t know...

The point is not in the book itself, the point is in the message from that book.
Many hate or throw the Bible point because they do not understand or have a bad experience with "churchianity"...
Bible is above that.

"For God so loved a man that he even gave his son for their redemption "
I believe I made a good quote...

[14 Chakras]

Perhaps some choose to connect to the Living Word in their hearts rather than ancient words on paper that have led to so much bloodshed and confusion.

[m1*]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Perhaps some choose to connect to the Living Word in their hearts rather than ancient words on paper that have led to so much bloodshed and confusion.

Chakras, the Bible never lead to bloodshed and confusion. It is the sinful nature of man that lead to bloodshed and confusion.

Here is what I would like you to do. Find a part of history (where there was bloodshed and confusion), and then find the part of the Bible which declares that's how people should behave.

There ARE parts of the Bible where God did declare that certain people declare war. However, God is a righteous God and if he commands that evil be eradicated -- then so be it.

Nevertheless, these were in ancient times and are few. It doesn't explain why humanity, throughout the ages, have warred with each other (without the command of God). It doesn't explain why so many hypocrites use the Bible for their own means.

WAR exists between good and evil. God allows evil to persist, only while it serves the purpose of letting people learn their lessons.

If you want to understand the Bible, I highly insist that you read it. However, it is unfair to say that all the problems of man are cased by the Bible - because if man adhered to God's word, there would be no suffering.

We cause our suffering on ourselves. It is not fair to blame God, or his word.

[Zeddo]

Originally Posted by m1*

Chakras, the Bible never lead to bloodshed and confusion. It is the sinful nature of man that lead to bloodshed and confusion.

Here is what I would like you to do. Find a part of history (where there was bloodshed and confusion), and then find the part of the Bible which declares that's how people should behave.

There ARE parts of the Bible where God did declare that certain people declare war. However, God is a righteous God and if he commands that evil be eradicated -- then so be it.

Nevertheless, these were in ancient times and are few. It doesn't explain why humanity, throughout the ages, have warred with each other (without the command of God). It doesn't explain why so many hypocrites use the Bible for their own means.

WAR exists between good and evil. God allows evil to persist, only while it serves the purpose of letting people learn their lessons.

If you want to understand the Bible, I highly insist that you read it. However, it is unfair to say that all the problems of man are cased by the Bible - because if man adhered to God's word, there would be no suffering.

We cause our suffering on ourselves. It is not fair to blame God, or his word.

M1, I suggest you really and URGENTLY study this subject at great depth. This is not the place (or maybe it is, who knows) for this subject to be broached. There are MANY explicit scripture\s where "God" tells his "people" to take no prisoners, to kill the men and children and women who are past the age of procreation and even all the animals.
I suggest that you do not use this forum for the furtherance of christian belief as there are forums specifically designed for this topic where the sheep can all go baaaaaah together.
This forum was meant for the awakening of the masses, not the dumbing down of them.

Now where is that person who said they didn't see an onslaught from the religious right wing?

Before you decide to attack me, understand that I talk from MANY years of very active church affiliation and I was not a pew warmer. I was one of the few who really did believe and acted on those beliefs, that is, laying hands on the sick and seeing them recover (yes I was party to many miracles), going out to the "heathen" where others were too scared to go and "spreading the word" etc. I did not walk away from that very lightly and without great consternation, so please, if you try to preach to me, forget it. I have been there, and DONE it. Now may I suggest you find a more suitable forum for this.

Z

[m1*]

Originally Posted by Zeddo

I suggest that you do not use this forum for the furtherance of christian belief as there are forums specifically designed for this topic where the sheep can all go baaaaaah together.

Zeddo, I was replying to a post with my views.

Originally Posted by Zeddo

This forum was meant for the awakening of the masses, not the dumbing down of them.

Now where is that person who said they didn't see an onslaught from the religious right wing?

I am not religious. I am not trying to conduct an onslaught. I am responding to a thread, sharing my views as I understand them.

Originally Posted by Zeddo

Before you decide to attack me,

I am extremely dismayed with your response to me, but have no wish to attack you.

Originally Posted by Zeddo

understand that I talk from MANY years of very active church affiliation and I was not a pew warmer. I was one of the few who really did believe and acted on those beliefs, that is, laying hands on the sick and seeing them recover (yes I was party to many miracles), going out to the "heathen" where others were too scared to go and "spreading the word" etc. I did not walk away from that very lightly and without great consternation, so please, if you try to preach to me, forget it. I have been there, and DONE it. Now may I suggest you find a more suitable forum for this.
Z

Zeddo, I understand that you have developed a hatred for religion. But you'll be pleased to understand that I share that hatred. You're preaching to the choir -- really. I know that religion turns more people away from God than any atheist ever could. I have stated as such.

I have no wish to belittle you or become angry at you, because I can see clearly that you're already angry and upset enough. All I ask is that you reconsider what you have written to me, because you seem to have misunderstood my views and my purpose here.

You'll find that the vast majority of my threads have absolutely nothing to do with the Bible. There are a few discussions (within my threads) where I was accused of being a bible thumper, but I didn't ask for that. The topics weren't even about the Bible - nor did I intend them to be.

I don't want to see this topic get hijacked by the hatred of religion. It is one topic out of thousands. It is a Biblical topic. People are going to share their biblical views. You should try to allow it and not get so upset.

[dolphin]

this is quite a turn off as i don't think avalon is about discussing religious dogma. i agree w zeddo, as m1, you are turning avalon into your own personal journal. how many posts are all about you and your beliefs. and if anyone disagrees you attack them.

this is not what avalon is for. take your religion and bible to a church or fundamentalist forum.

[m1*]

Originally Posted by dolphin

this is quite a turn off as i don't think avalon is about discussing religious dogma. i agree w zeddo, as m1, you are turning avalon into your own personal journal. how many posts are all about you and your beliefs. and if anyone disagrees you attack them.

this is not what avalon is for. take your religion and bible to a church or fundamentalist forum.

Dolphin, you are being very unfair.

[Samarkis]

Hello all...........

Just a note to say that there are many paths to know Divine Creator....and as long as one reaches for kindness & views life as sacred............it truly doesn't matter which path.

It is interesting to note that the Essenes & Cathars had secret esoteric knowledge which has left them open to attack as they knew how to activate the christed consciousness.............a right that is every human beings priviledge...........

In my opinion, all humanity should embrace all knowledge that helps humanity and to seek out our strengths and goodness, no matter which path or tradition they hail.............

Namaste all !!!

In Light!

[Stargazer1965]

Originally Posted by m1*

Dolphin, you are being very unfair.

M1...seems to be cutting and pasting out of other forums....

And If you want to divide people...

Talk

Religion

or Politics

Funny how this turned into a religious forum over the last week.....

We must have been close to some kind of TRUTH..

[Moxie]

xxx

[Kinsuemei2]

What do you think of Bible?

I think much of the bible is based from texts from other ancient races and simply compiled from these ancient scriptures, if it teaches one thing it is that god writes on large stone slabs, just like Sumerians and not paper and parchment. It also has changed throughout the years, if you read from a 14th century bible it is extremely different from the ones we read today, yet not many people know this, simply because not many people have access to that kind of archive.

Why do people freak out when talking about Bible?

Any person freaks out when their religion is attacked or felt the need to defend, this is human nature to protect what you hold close, one of our greatest gifts is our passion, yet it is also our one of our weaknesses.
Why do 90% of the people who did not even read the Bible dare to bash it?
We attack what we do not understand and unfortunately the 10 percent that have read it most of those do not understand it, or people take the bible literally instead of symbolically

Is the book judicable by the acts of people who by the way did not even read it?

Not unless they research the books history and have a decent education regarding theology and religion, in which case they should have read the bible anyway as you would read the book you research or you have no business talking about it.

Why is such a great effort of many to discredit the Bible and yet they are not successful?

To many Christians and in this day and age, especially in the USA the church has become a enterprise that is involved with incredible amounts of money, and if you agree with it or not people want to believe, this is not a bad thing, but do they understand what they are believing in.

Why people connect Bible with religion?

People have been conditioned to connect with this book, with religion, it mentions constructs like Jesus and it talks about god, and the beginnings of human existence.

Why people avoid often to even talking of Bible?

The Bible is a touchy subject and the rules stand true never discusses religion or politics. And as i stated there are many people that love to talk of the bible that have never actually turned the page.

Why Bible is the most translated, read and printed book ever and yet the most persecuted, burned and forbidden?

The bible is a controversial book indeed, and any Christian worth their salt will admit there are factual errors in the bible, and words get mistranslated ‘especially the Greek version’ that was still approved, but Christianity is one of the largest religions in the world if not the largest, yet was not always or ever has been a beloved religion, to many discrepancies have pushed people away and the contractions that are found can be staggering, also the bible itself especially the King James bible a man who basically rewrote the bible as he saw fit, as a very cruel and deceptive man.

The bible itself was censored back in the ancient land there are many stories that never made the cut, just as I write a book I have a editor that keeps bits and loses parts of the story that might not fit into the publishing house ideal or vision of the end result so did the bible, and I have some examples.
The Life of Adam and Eve

The Book of Jubilees: This obscure Hebrew text offers an answer to a question that has vexed Christians for centuries if Adam and Eve only had sons, and if no other humans existed, who gave birth to humanity? This text reveals that Adam and Eve had nine children and that Cain's younger sister Awan became his wife. The idea that humanity was born of incest would have been radical and heretical.

The Book of Enoch: This scripture reads like a modern day action film, telling of fallen angels, bloodthirsty giants, an earth that had become home to an increasingly flawed humanity and a divine judgment to be rendered though denied a place in most Western Bibles; it has been used for centuries by Ethiopian Christians. Large portions of this book were found as part of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

The Infancy Gospel of Thomas: The only book that deals with young Jesus, it indicates that Jesus was a strong-willed child who one historian describes as "Dennis the Menace as God." The book reveals that at age five, Jesus may have killed a boy by pushing push him off a roof and then resurrected him. Perhaps too disturbing for inclusion in the Bible, this book seems to contain traditions, also known to the Koran.

The Gospel of Nicodemus: This is the story of Jesus’ trial and execution and his descent into hell. According to this gospel the Savior asserts his power over Satan by freeing patriarchs such as Adam, Isaiah and Abraham from Hell.

The Apocalypse of Peter: Peter's apocalypse suggests that there is a way out of punishment for evildoers and implies that the threat of the Apocalypse is a way for God to scare people into living a moral life, and committing fewer sins.

Translation is a matter that is more relevant in other questions further along.

Why so much effort to root out the Bible and yet none successful?

Again the Bible is a powerful book love it or hate it, it’s legacy has been set in stone and unless something extremely miraculous happened I do not expect people to turn from it, after all I have a friend that when I talk about ET’s he says it’s the devils work trying to distract us from the word. I believe the opposite, and I mean no offense by that, I simply believe religion is the distraction, but this is only my opinion and not to be taken to heart or as cannon, as ultimately I know nothing, and shall die like every man and face the truth with an open heart and mind.

Why so many people were tortured and brutally murdered by Catholic and other churches because of possessing the Bible or reading it?
That question could be posed with a counter question, why the Muslims, the Moore’s and Saracens were brutally hunted down and murdered for possessing the Koran, to answer my question

Because it was deemed Gods will at that time before the reformation Christians had no direction and they interperated the bible literally just as the grand inquisitors did;

John 15:6 "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

yet the Muslim religion is a paradoxical version of the bible, the same prophets the same stories, just in different parts, yet we were told to kill as many of these heathens as humanly possible in the name of god, not very Christian is it? Or is it?

Why despite obvious attempts of certain mistranslations that still the message is crystal clear?

People have said the Freemasons wrote the bible they say the Roman Catholics wrote the bible, and specifically the Vatican, Pope Leo X had confessed in the early sixteenth century that "It has served us well, this myth of Christ” and he got very upset and condemned the modern world for catching on so to speak, and let us remember the translation of 1380 by John Wycliffe he loved the bible, and hated the organized church, and thus translated it out of Latin into English manuscripts, the Pope was so outraged out Wycliffe’s blasphemy he ordered his bones dug up crushed into powder and scattered into a river.

In the 1490s , Thomas Linacre, learned Greek so that he could translate the New testament, unfortunately Latin had become so corrupt that many of the ancient scripter’s were so difficult to translate and understand, it no longer preserved the message of the gospel, However the Vatican still maintained anybody who translated the scriptures to any other language other than Latin be put to death, the never intended that you read the bible, but Henry the 7th and 8th decided otherwise, as Christian kings.

I could go on but I shall move on to interpretation, the quest for Jesus always has ended in sorrow and hardship for those who go to the motherland and search for his history as barring the bible and Koran, he has none, he was written into history, this is unfortunate but no other evidence proves otherwise, that is the history, it does not make it fact, but when you look at the roman catholic religion and the Jesuits you understand the symbolism of the bible, Jesus was the Son meaning Sun in the sky, its an astrological book and the astrology adds up and makes sense, Jordan Maxwell can place into better words than I so I suggest you have a look at what he has to say and draw your own conclusions as to what you think about it.

I wish to thank Beren for making this post EXTREMELY enjoyable as when I am calm and collected I love discussing this, and one last note this is just my opinion and not to be taken as cannon, just with a pinch of salt.

[Kinsuemei2]

I must say I agree with M1 this is an important subject in avalon, lets say for the sake of argument that declsification happens and Ets present themselves to the world, their will be many people who will question their faith, and for some of us who know a small amount of information on this matter it is up to us to help our fellow people,
no matter what religion or faith to adjust and perhaps find a way to show that the two can co exist, just because the bible tells us of this planet and this earth, that is not to say their is simply one bible, and to be honest it only tells us of one land,
and if people do not like the posts we do not have to comment right? their are plenty of issues, and things to do and read in Avalon, but as this is Avalon we must remain in harmony and remember that this place was created for the good of the people and place to come together as a church and to teach not preach truth.

[Initiate]

It is not the delivery of the message that is important.

We should look at the heart of the message and head that.

If the heart of the message doesn't ring true with our thought adjuster (inner voice) then we should not let it guide us. See through the words no mater what source to the underpinning meaning. Think hard if the meaning doesn't jump out at you.

The Bible is one source of wisdom. Some things apply to our current situation and some do not. Draw from what ever source of wisdom presents itself. Do not idolise the source. The source is there to help us not rule us or be put up on an ivory tower to leave its meaning behind.

[m1*]

Originally Posted by Initiate

It is not the delivery of the message that is important.

We should look at the heart of the message and head that.

If the heart of the message doesn't ring true with our thought adjuster (inner voice) then we should not let it guide us. See through the words no mater what source to the underpinning meaning. Think hard if the meaning doesn't jump out at you.

I would have to agree entirely with "If the heart of the message doesn't ring true with our thought adjuster (inner voice) then we should not let it guide us.". I read the Bible for many years before it "rang true". It's a very long book, and there are many things which I didn't understand the first time around. It's not a book I've read from cover to cover like a novel, but it is a book which I have cross examined and cross referenced, and I can honestly say through many years of diligent reading - it rings true to me. However, I am more than willing to divulge that I am STILL learning from it, and I still don't understand everything. I am sure I will reach the end of my life and still be reading and then thinking: *snap* "Oooooooh"...

Originally Posted by Initiate

The Bible is one source of wisdom. Some things apply to our current situation and some do not. Draw from what ever source of wisdom presents itself. Do not idolise the source. The source is there to help us not rule us or be put up on an ivory tower to leave its meaning behind.

I believe that the source of all wisdom is God. God provided us with the Bible to help us get through this life and conduct ourselves according to that wisdom. I am utterly sure there's a whole heap of things to reality that's not even in the Bible. Of course. Nevertheless, the Bible contains more than enough foundations and examples for us to learn from and apply it to our lives for the betterment of ourselves and all those around us.

[beren]

Originally Posted by Kinsuemei2

What do you think of Bible?


I wish to thank Beren for making this post EXTREMELY enjoyable as when I am calm and collected I love discussing this, and one last note this is just my opinion and not to be taken as cannon, just with a pinch of salt.

You are welcome friend!

I have read your posts on other threads and think that your are fighting your own battle heavily... I want assure you that if you wish honestly and with open heart to find the truth-then God will help you find it.
Often in the most hard-to-imagine ways ...


I have to tell you this experience of mine a lot of years ago.
I was on the crack point of really do I have to believe in the word of God or not and there was this woman who was an acuitance of my unckle. In that point of my life I trusted that woman wholeheartedly because she was honest and did experience some weird stuff ,very similar as you were writing in your posts.

Also she was dealing with sprirtism and was involved in heavy stuff then.
Nevetheless I trusted her and in that time was getting to know Bible.
Then I aske her a straight forward question: " Is this all true and has some validity?"
Shge looked at me, heavily sighed and breathing heavily...it lasted for some minutes and finally she said with tought time on her face -YES---
BUT!!! BUT!!! That was not all! Then she told me yes, but you better do not be involved in that since it is very heavy and hard....

Later I realised that she was tarot reader and horoscope practicioner and spiritist..BUT in the very moment when she was confronted with life and death question which could ruin or lift one souls---she was forced to tell the truth!!! Though she immidiatelly throw a lot of things on me and a lot of brakes not to explore Bible, she in that moment HAD to tell the truth.

Last 10 years we do not see eachother but she sunk deeper in trouble with entities and demons...she is still practising tarot and horoscopes.

The point is , that every person has to know the truth...What will they do with that fact -it is up to them...

[Zeddo]

Far out, now I am posting hate comments !!!

As they say in the classics, F*#k this for a game of tin soldiers.

[beren]

Zeddo, do not be angry of my reply to you. It was straight forward telling you that no one has the right to confiscate this forum for their own wishes .

True M1 has a tough attitude but he is not insulting anyone.

But he is actually has a good point and that is -look through veil of deception of religion.

I know and understand that you were hurt and misused by your own church , I have been too.
But you can not blame God and Bible for that. It is the people who did that to you and me and M1. THEY hijacked Bible telling people their own sermons and occasionally telling them some verses from Bible but actually telling THEIR teaching or their ORGANIZATION teachings and in that very time YELLIN that this is THE BIBLE talking!!!

Bible is saying actually that we should not follow men because when the blind leads the blind ,both will fall in hole.

Do not connect Bible with religion and God and Jesus with wicked deeds of humanity.
God gave us a free will and look what we did with it! We messed up badly and now we whine how it is not our fault why we screwed all ...IT IS GOD who is to be blamed.

HOw would you react when you left your home for work and when returned you find it burned and destroyed by your children? And when you ask them why they did it -they reply that It is your fault for everything!

Zedo, you are very wellcome to say your opinion here on this thread but ,please friend, be above the patterns that drove you in your state of rage. I understand it and I am on your side since we have been used by religions and terribly lied about all regarding Bible and what it means being true Christian.

If I did follow my rage towards religions and would be a waste case now... We are so much above that my friend...
ANd THEY , I mean churches and all religions will pay the price for their age of blood shed in the name of God.
In revelation you find that God judges Babylon the great as mother of all harlots who deceived whole world and on her was found blood of all saints ,from Abel to present day us.


We have to defeat our own fears regarding the Bible, we have o give it a chance to reveal us the truth . We have to fight whenever reading it and when thoughts and coded religious dogma comes in mind, because it is blurring our view of the message written there.

Love and blessings,

beren

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by dolphin

this is quite a turn off as i don't think avalon is about discussing religious dogma. i agree w zeddo, as m1, you are turning avalon into your own personal journal. how many posts are all about you and your beliefs. and if anyone disagrees you attack them.

this is not what avalon is for. take your religion and bible to a church or fundamentalist forum.

Well said


m1* You say your not religious but you always talk about religion
I wasn't surprised when I read that you join a forum and quickly people turn against you and you are kicked/banned. Maybe you should stand back and have a look at your image. You have been here 20 days and added 166 posts.
Please chill out ffs

Back on topic
I my opinion the bible is a pack of lies put in place to control people. I feel sorry for anyone that follows it without question.
For the record I have never read it or nor will I

[m1*]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Well said


m1* You say your not religious but you always talk about religion
I wasn't surprised when I read that you join a forum and quickly people turn against you and you are kicked/banned. Maybe you should stand back and have a look at your image. You have been here 20 days and added 166 posts.
Please chill out ffs

Back on topic
I my opinion the bible is a pack of lies put in place to control people. I feel sorry for anyone that follows it without question.
For the record I have never read it or nor will I

Swanny, the problem is that from forum to forum, people (in general) can't stand anyone talking about Jesus or the Bible. I would have to argue that I have not spent a lot of time talking about religion here. The religions debates were injected into my threads and responses by other people. I then tried to explain that they have me all wrong, which made me LOOK as if I was always talking about religion. But in reality, I was just trying to STOP the discussion of religion - because I am not religious.

If people would stop trying to convince me how evil religion is (which I agree with), there would be no more talk about it. However, if someone goes out of their way to explain how evil religion is (and project that onto me) I really have no option but to try to explain that they have me all wrong so that I don't have to go through it time and time again. I'm over it - but I am just trying to be patient and let it settle into everyones heads.

I just want those people who have been so angry and hateful towards me to realize that there's no necessity to hammer me into a corner. I do not HAVE a "religion" to preach. And actually, your response shows that you have not read my other explanations yet. If you sincerely believe I am trying to inject "religion" into the forums (and that I need to stand back and have a look at my image), please go and have a look at my other responses on the topic. This is about the 12th time I've responded now, saying basically the same thing. Somehow, I've become the forum "Religious Boy" over the last couple of days (Probably due to the "Jesus is Lord" signature below all my posts), and I am merely trying to remove that sticker from my head - because it's attracting negativity.

I am persisting to explain to each person who calls me religious, that I am not, only because I value this forum and would like to be a part of it and get passed all these religious accusations and disdain by people. However, I believe that will pass, if I just explain to people why they don't need to get all upset about the fact that I have read, and still read, the Bible.

The reason I am spending so my effort to "explain" myself (which I also know and AGREE is starting to get old - believe me), is because I know what will happen if I do not. If I don't get it into people's heads that I am NOT here to preach "religion", I will NOT be able to make a single post without someone turning my threads into a religions debate. That will get REALLY old REALLY fast. However, I do believe that more and more people are seeing these responses and thinking: "Oh, well I misunderstood him. I see that there's no point bashing him with his own Bible because he's really not trying to do that to me, even though I thought that's what he might be doing at first glance".

I would like to find ONE place online where I can be "who i am" and say "my views" how I see them, without getting lynched for mentioning the Bible. I am only persisting here, because like I said: I value the forum and I believe that very soon, I will be able to resume participation in the topics, without people jumping on my back, like I was able to do when I first got here before a few people who hate religion saw my "Jesus is Lord" signature and felt as though they ahd to put me in my place.