Lucifer: Deity of the Elite

[orthodoxymoron]

Warning: The first part of this series contains footage of a ritual which could possibly involve a human sacrifice. It's had to tell. I'm sorry if anyone was upset. This is an 11 part video regarding Lucifer, the Illuminati, the New World Order, Satanism, etc. I don't wish to glorify the subject...but all of the dark secrets need to be revealed before we can move on...and create a better world. Some of this is hard to watch and contemplate...but it's high-time we get to the bottom and top of what is really going on in our world...and stop living in a dreamland. YouTube - DARK SOUL OF ILLUMINATI.LUCIFEREITY OF THE ELITE.NEW WORLD ORDER ?(1 OF 11) (www.harunyahya.com)

[tone3jaguar]

Focusing on the names of negatively polarized entities is not something that I would advise.

[Steven]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

Focusing on the names of negatively polarized entities is not something that I would advise.

I agree. If you stare at the darkness, it will print your matrix and you will bring back something from there. Consciously or unconsciously.

If you want to go in there and take a look for the purpose of knowing, be prepared with blessings of the highest souls. Be ready to bless all you see and keep shining the best you can during your observation It is your light that will shred an aura of protection around you. The blessings will come back to you and you will elevate yourself above the effect of the curses.

Namaste, Steven

[orthodoxymoron]

I agree...but the man or woman behind the curtain needs to be revealed. The theory is that malevolent beings require secrecy and deception...to continue to rule from the shadows. Right...Lucifer?

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Here is an 11 part video regarding Lucifer, the Illuminati, the New World Order, Satanism, etc. I don't wish to glorify the subject...but all of the dark secrets need to be revealed before we can move on...and create a better world.
YouTube - DARK SOUL OF ILLUMINATI.LUCIFEREITY OF THE ELITE.NEW WORLD ORDER ?(1 OF 11) (www.harunyahya.com)

orthodoxymoron,

I'm interested in this topic but I don't have the patience to watch the videos right now.

Could you just give me a definition of "Lucifer"?

Would it be accurate to say that Lucifer to the Illuminati is knowledge/intellect/power?

[orthodoxymoron]

Lucifer is more than the concept of enlightenment to the Illuminati. Lucifer is the being who gives them their marching orders. You may want to skip to part 3...which begins to get to the heart of the matter. Here is a link to the wikipedia version of who Lucifer is...complete with footnotes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucifer

Here are some highlights:

Lucifer is a Latin word meaning "light-bearer", "day star" or "morning star". The name is frequently given to the Devil in Christian convention. Use of this name as a reference to a fallen angel stems from a particular interpretation of Isaiah 14:3-20, a passage that speaks of someone who is given the name of "Day Star" or "Morning Star" (in Latin, Lucifer) as fallen from heaven.[2] In 2 Peter 1:19 and elsewhere, the same Latin word lucifer is used of the morning star with no relation to the devil. However, in writings later than those in the Bible, the Latin word Lucifer has often been used instead as a proper name for the devil.

A pagan myth of the fall of angels, associated with the morning star, was transferred to Satan already in the pre-Christian century, as seen in the Life of Adam and Eve and the Second Book of Enoch[3], where Satan-Sataniel (sometimes identified with Samael) is described as having been one of the archangels. Because he contrived "to make his throne higher than the clouds over the earth and resemble 'My power' on high", Satan-Sataniel was hurled down, with his hosts of angels, and since then he has been flying in the air continually above the abyss.[4]

Early Christian writers continued this identification of "Lucifer" with Satan. Tertullian ("Contra Marrionem," v. 11, 17), Origen ("Ezekiel Opera," iii. 356), and others, identify Lucifer with Satan, who also is represented as being "cast down from heaven" (Revelation 12:7-10; cf. Luke 10:18).[4]

However, some contemporary exorcists and theologians such as Father Jose Antonio Fortea and Father Amorth in their experience and based on Bible interpretations have reasons to believe that Satan and Lucifer are different beings.[5]

The New Testament shows a high development of demonology. In consonance with the Gospels beliefs of the lower orders of society, the devil and his realm are regarded as an entire ubiquitousness in all the events of daily life. In accordance, he has many names: "Satan" (Matt. 4:10; Mark 1:30, 4:15; Luke 10:18), "devil" (Matt. 4:1), "adversary" (1. Peter 5:8, ἀντίδικος; 1. Tim. 5:14, ἀντικείμενος), "enemy" (Matt. 13:39), "accuser" (Rev. 12:10), "old serpent" (Rev. 20:2), "great dragon" (Rev. 12:9), Beelzebub (Matt. 10:25, 12:24), and Belial (comp. Samael). In Luke 10:18, John 12:31, 2. Cor. 6:16, and Rev. 12:9 the fall of Satan is mentioned. The devil is regarded as the author of all evil (Luke 10:19; Acts 5:3; 2. Cor. 11:3; Ephes. 2:2), who beguiled Eve (2. Cor. 11:3; Rev. 12:9). Satan brought death itself into the world (Heb. 2:13), being ever the tempter (1. Cor. 7:5; 1. Thess. 3:5; 1. Peter 5:8), even as he tempted Jesus (Matt. 4). The Christian demonology and belief in the devil dominated subsequent periods[6]. However, though the New Testament includes the conception that Satan fell from heaven with the velocity of lightning (Luke x. 18; Rev. xii. 7-10), [7] it nowhere applies the name Lucifer to him.

The Jewish Encyclopedia states that in the apocalyptic writings, the conception of fallen angels is widespread. Throughout antiquity stars were commonly regarded as living celestial beings (Job 38:7).[7] Indications of this belief, behind which probably lies the symbolizing of an astronomical phenomenon, the shooting stars, are met with in Isaiah 14:12.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

... Lucifer is the being who gives them their marching orders ...

Please forgive me if the answer to this question is in the Wikipedia article...

Is the being physical or non-physical?

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by seashore

Please forgive me if the answer to this question is in the Wikipedia article...

Is the being physical or non-physical?

Here is what I suspect: That Lucifer is a soul...which all of us are...who probably moves from body to body...generation after generation...which all of us probably do. But I suspect that Lucifer can move from body to body...at will...or dwell in an astral state for extended periods. Obviously...I don't absolutely know this. Once again...they keep us guessing about a lot of things. The evidence is circumstantial and second or third hand...or biblical. This being was a very good soul in the distant past...but rebelled. Perhaps this rebellion was justified. I don't know. Classic theology represents the rebellion as not being justified...and is referred to as 'the mystery of iniquity'. Anyway...Lucifer sought the God Job...and there was War in Heaven. The details of this are anyone's guess...but there was a power struggle between a God and a Wannabe God...and Lucifer got 86'd...but pulled 33.3% of Heaven's populace along with him or her. Has this scenario been repeated endlessly throughout much of universal history? I suspect that it has. This is heresy...but it makes sense to me. I suspect that any being who plays God...eventually goes insane...without exception. I suspect a bitter and bloody human vs reptilian rivalry...going back a long, long time...perhaps billions of years. Hopefully this madness is drawing to a close. One formulates their views after years of exposure to a wide variety of evidences, theories, and indoctrinations. Who knows what the actual reality really is?

Please consider this related thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron

My current leaning is toward Lucifer being the soul of an alien from Sirius...inhabiting the body of a young female...and living in a deep underground military base / temple / cathedral / stargate somewhere in North Africa...and ruling secretly as the God of This World...and probably the God of This Solar System. See the video below for what this being might look like...perhaps with greys and reptilians standing guard. This is probably completely wrong...but it is the image which I currently delude myself with. I'm not crazy! Am I?

I think that if Lucifer retired...he or she would eventually regain their sanity. Again...this is heresy...but hope springs eternal. Retirement would sure beat the heck out of 'Earth Changes', the Battle of Armageddon, the Seven Last Plagues, the New World Order, a Demonic Theocracy, etc, etc. How 'bout it...Lucifer?
YouTube - Ra Stargate - Devil Came To Me

[Ravens and Doves]

.I think that if Lucifer retired...he or she would eventually regain their sanity. Again...this is heresy...but hope springs eternal. Retirement would sure beat the heck out of 'Earth Changes', the Battle of Armageddon, the Seven Last Plagues, the New World Order, a Demonic Theocracy, etc, etc. How 'bout it...Lucifer?


Oxy,

You are not crazy. I see you as intuitive.
You're right about Lucifer, his rebellion was
too against the life grain... thus the quarantine
of this planet and the replacement of the
Brilliant Morning Star with a kinder, gentler
sentient being to do to job. But he wasn't alone
and I've been told (and have felt) that some of
his underlings slipped below the wire and have
been wearing Lucifer's mask for ages.

I poked the dragon and got burned. I can't
go there again. I'll die. Seriously.

Reading James' story the other night triggered
some difficult memories, but he ended on a
positive note. My ex felt the negative energy
and left a message on my phone about it.

It passes through LA from time to time.... and
fools like me used to evoke the little bastards!

Some day... and it looks like that day might
come soon, the last stubborn, power-blinded
rebel will be cornered and will sound, at the
very end, like a frightened little, ugly fly about
to be swatted to oblivion..... screaming obscenities
against God and Goddess until the final moment.

Wishing All a safe and sane Samhain,

Paul

www.home.earthlink.net/~aic.net

www.home.earthlink.net/~paul_perner/

www.ravensanddoves.com

[beren]

Interesting things you said there, may I ask you what did you do when you wrote that dragon burned you and that if you try that again, you will die?

Love and blessings,

Beren

Originally Posted by Ravens and Doves

.I think that if Lucifer retired...he or she would eventually regain their sanity. Again...this is heresy...but hope springs eternal. Retirement would sure beat the heck out of 'Earth Changes', the Battle of Armageddon, the Seven Last Plagues, the New World Order, a Demonic Theocracy, etc, etc. How 'bout it...Lucifer?


Oxy,

You are not crazy. I see you as intuitive.
You're right about Lucifer, his rebellion was
too against the life grain... thus the quarantine
of this planet and the replacement of the
Brilliant Morning Star with a kinder, gentler
sentient being to do to job. But he wasn't alone
and I've been told (and have felt) that some of
his underlings slipped below the wire and have
been wearing Lucifer's mask for ages.

I poked the dragon and got burned. I can't
go there again. I'll die. Seriously.

Reading James' story the other night triggered
some difficult memories, but he ended on a
positive note. My ex felt the negative energy
and left a message on my phone about it.

It passes through LA from time to time.... and
fools like me used to evoke the little bastards!

Some day... and it looks like that day might
come soon, the last stubborn, power-blinded
rebel will be cornered and will sound, at the
very end, like a frightened little, ugly fly about
to be swatted to oblivion..... screaming obscenities
against God and Goddess until the final moment.

Wishing All a safe and sane Samhain,

Paul

www.home.earthlink.net/~aic.net

www.home.earthlink.net/~paul_perner/

www.ravensanddoves.com

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Ravens and Doves. I may be insane...but I'm not crazy!

Here is something relevant to this thread that I posted on another thread:

The Aldebarans are supposedly renegade Pleiadians. Did they thumb their noses at the Pleiadian Powers That Be...and make deals with the Devil aka Draconians...to obtain Technology and Spiritual Power? Was the Pleiades really Heaven? Was the Person In Charge really God. Was Lucifer a Pleiadian who tried to get a better deal by dealing with the Dracs? Did this result in the famous War in Heaven? Did Lucifer drag one third of the Pleiadians to Aldebaran...then to Sirius...and finally to Earth? Are we all Fallen Angels? Is this why Lucifer is the God of This World? Some say Lucifer is no more...but I doubt this. Is Aldebaran still renegade Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius A and Arcturus completely unfallen Pleiadian presently? Is Sirius B and Earth in Sirius trouble? Is a final battle brewing to settle this thing once and for all?

Or...is the whole Universe under Draconian control...including the Pleiades? Did the God in the Pleiades keep this a secret to make a bad situation seem like Heaven? Did Lucifer smell a rat...and try to fight fire with fire...hoping to get technology and spirituality from the Dracs...and then turn on them? Could the final phase of this be happening presently? Is that what's brewing? Is this 'The Great Work'? Are Sirius B and Earth engaged in a rebellion against the Dracs which must be crushed? Will the Empire strike back? Does Sirius B and our Sun contain Planets in Rebellion? Do they threaten the Draconian Universal Church Theocracy? Did Lucifer mean well...but did he or she bite off more than they could chew...and go insane? I keep thinking that Lucifer is like Colonel Kurz in 'Apocalypse Now'. If Constitutional Responsible Freedom really catches fire...will this be the end of Draconian Universal Domination? I really and truly don't know. All of the above could be complete BS.

If the whole universe was Drac-controlled...and this was being hidden from you...but you figured it out. How would you fight the tyranny being effected through your beloved leader? Would you confront your leader publicly while privately dealing with the Dracs to try to get their technology and spirituality? You'd end up fighting both your beloved leader and his loyal (and clueless?) followers...plus when you double-crossed the Dracs...you'd have to fight them as well. Did Lucifer and his(her?) followers get kicked out of Heaven...and then get involved in a horrific fight with the Dracs? Was this the 600,000 year Gaian-Orion War? Supposedly no one won...they just stopped killing each other. Did a sort of 'cold-war' follow? Is this the situation we find ourselves in presently? Is this why everything is so $crewed-up? Is the New World Order a Draconian attempt to completely regain domination over humanity? Is this how much trouble we are really in...or is it much worse? I suspect that it is. Is Lucifer insane because of the hopelessness of the situation? Are all of us Renegade Pleiadians?

I continue to believe that Constitutional Responsible Freedom would be in everyone's best interest...including the Pleiadians and Dracs. The God thing really doesn't work. I suspect that Lucifer found this out the hard way. Humanity is waking up to this very harsh reality as well. If what I am thinking is true...the Pleiadian God was wrong. Lucifer was wrong. And the Draconians were (and are) wrong. Two new commandments I give unto all of you: I. Thou Shalt Have No Gods. Period. II. Thou Shalt Not Be An @sshole. Period. I really don't want to fight with the Dracs. I can't believe that there is no possibility of them warming to the idea of Responsible Freedom. I don't know what made them so mean...but perhaps there is a legitimate reason. Regardless...why not base the Universe on the best principles...rather than on brute-force? Why is this so hard? Lord Draco...we need to talk. Soon.

I don't know who the good-guys and who the bad-guys are anymore. Do you?

[orthodoxymoron]

Right. Consider the crucifix (especially the bent cross) and the mass (symbolically crucifying Christ over and over again...in a symbolic ritual human sacrifice). They have nothing to do with the actual Teachings of Jesus. Lucifer may be the patsie or the fall-guy for the Dracs. I don't know. All of this is very weird. I'm just considering various possibilities. My mind is not made up...so please feel free to confuse me with the facts. I'm easily confused.

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Susan and Lionhawk.

I am now tending to make a distinction between Lucifer and Satan...as not being the same being. It's probably a bad idea to follow either one...but I'm thinking that Satan is the truly evil and dangerous being. I'm thinking that Lucifer is a Pleiadian Human...and that Satan is a Draconian Interdimensional Reptilian.

I'm finding answers...but I don't necessarily like these answers. And yes...it is taking a toll. I fear that I'm suffering a Drac-Attack 24/7. One can find both God and Satan...when looking within. Why do you find fault with my methodology? I don't really care...but I am a bit curious. I'm just asking questions. I like to ask questions. My approach is both internal and external...but I don't do hokus-pocus stuff. I'm finding and losing my faith...simultaneously and continuously. Is there any easy way to do this? The discomfort and pain connected with discovering the truth and doing the right thing...may keep most people from both. Thus...the Dracs retain their control over humanity...or so it seems to me.

As for chasing my tail (notice the Drac?)...

[Lionhawk]

Don't take what I said as the wrong way. As in the word fault. I too was in a position of asking many of the same questions as you are doing now. I was motivated by terror to solving those questions. I searched for years trying to solve those questions and never found them outside myself. One day I went to the Father of our Catholic church and asked for the churches help. They turned me down. I knew in my heart that God and Jesus were real. I had no other recourse but to find them and get the answers to my questions. It came down to that as there were no other options. Which someday I hope you come to realize when you exhaust all of your options. When you get there it will be very clear what you must do. I was only trying to save you some time. As I have already stated before I was a hard head. And don't take this the wrong way either as I see what I went through and what you are doing pretty much the same thing with exception of the motivation. I can only tell you what I had to do to find out. I promise you on my life that you will never find these answers on the outside of yourself in this world. That is not to say that you can't find the answers outside yourself but it will have to be from somewhere else. And you must go to where that somewhere else is. It isn't here and if you don't mind me if I sit here and watch you try to prove that wrong. I am not making this up and these are not my rules to begin with. I also bet the time you spend is going to be much longer the way you are going about it then the other way. But you are just starting in a matter of speaking so you have all the time you want. It is your free will agency I will respect. So please don't think I am judging you or find fault in your methods as by the time you get there, you will be a better person for it. And much less hard headed and humbled by the experience of finding those answers. I promise you that. So have at it my friend. Blessings on your quest. When you find the answers, let me know what you find.


Peace

[orthodoxymoron]

Thank-you Lionhawk.

Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom is the best answer I've found so far...but I'm still searching. Perhaps I'll even find Osama and the WMD's...as well as the real killer OJ was looking for. Where are the truly enlightened people...who have found the truth the right way? I'm searching for them as well.

[THE eXchanger]

satan and santa

[THE eXchanger]

to my knowledge,
the dark side - do NOT have Lucifer
they have NEVER been able to conquere him UP !!!

so, if they don't have him

and, you don't have him

and, if they don't want you to find him

wouldn't it be a gr8 idea,

to tell you, they worship him

and, you would think he is bad ...

that would be a brilliant idea

why, did Helena Blavtasky
call her newsletter; OHH LUCIFER ???

so, MAYBE the good question is

where is he ???

once, he sat in the ethers,
across the table from me
at my dining room table,
observing me,
albeit, i did NOT want to look at him
NOR, listen to him
i did know, who he was

i hate to admit this - but, in that moment

- i felt a gr8 peace,
albeit, i wasn't quite sure,
how to deal with him

so, i asked 3 times,for him to leave

and, he disappeared !!!

perhaps, i should call him in,
conjure him up, and, see what happens,
if he comes in,
in 100% alignment with my missions/purposes/and, tasks,
at least, i would know,
what side he is on

i'd rather not do this alone...

hey GNOSIS5 -- WANT to COME OVER

where's Jester, when you need him ???

[THE eXchanger]

i do know,
that jesus, eXisted

i also know,
he was NO different than you, or i

albeit, he was an ascended being
in the end of this lifetime

he worked hard, and, honed his craft

there have been many,

magical mystics, like jesus !!!

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

to my knowledge,
the dark side - do NOT have Lucifer
they have NEVER been able to conquere him UP !!!

so, if they don't have him

and, you don't have him

and, if they don't want you to find him

wouldn't it be a gr8 idea,

to tell you, they worship him

and, you would think he is bad ...

that would be a brilliant idea

why, did Helena Blavtasky
call her newsletter; OHH LUCIFER ???

so, MAYBE the good question is

where is he ???

once, he sat in the ethers,
across the table from me
at my dining room table,
observing me,
albeit, i did NOT want to look at him
NOR, listen to him
i did know, who he was

i hate to admit this - but, in that moment

- i felt a gr8 peace,
albeit, i wasn't quite sure,
how to deal with him

so, i asked 3 times,for him to leave

and, he disappeared !!!

perhaps, i should call him in,
conjure him up, and, see what happens,
if he comes in,
in 100% alignment with my missions/purposes/and, tasks,
at least, i would know,
what side he is on

i'd rather not do this alone...

hey GNOSIS5 -- WANT to COME OVER

where's Jester, when you need him ???

When I reviewed a lifetime where I was definitely on the darkside -- one of those Illuminati aristocrats (ever heard of the comedy skit, "The Aristocrats"? that's truly what we did). The best we could conjure up was the demi-god PAN and share some tantric sex with him. Even he was really not that evil looking, just liked Tantric sex with young women.

That was one of the "lighter" things we did as Illuminati.

Just goes to show that you can BE anyone -- and then change your mind -- pure white magic lasts forever.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

to my knowledge,
the dark side - do NOT have Lucifer
they have NEVER been able to conquere him UP !!!

so, if they don't have him

and, you don't have him

and, if they don't want you to find him

wouldn't it be a gr8 idea,

to tell you, they worship him

and, you would think he is bad ...

that would be a brilliant idea

why, did Helena Blavtasky
call her newsletter; OHH LUCIFER ???

so, MAYBE the good question is

where is he ???

once, he sat in the ethers,
across the table from me
at my dining room table,
observing me,
albeit, i did NOT want to look at him
NOR, listen to him
i did know, who he was

i hate to admit this - but, in that moment

- i felt a gr8 peace,
albeit, i wasn't quite sure,
how to deal with him

so, i asked 3 times,for him to leave

and, he disappeared !!!

perhaps, i should call him in,
conjure him up, and, see what happens,
if he comes in,
in 100% alignment with my missions/purposes/and, tasks,
at least, i would know,
what side he is on

i'd rather not do this alone...

hey GNOSIS5 -- WANT to COME OVER

where's Jester, when you need him ???

eXchanger, this may sound unromantic, but if he sat across the table from me I'd ask him, "What incident are you stuck in?" and I would start helping him process that trauma out of himself, to his great relief I'm sure. But right now I'm busy with a 4D "Satrap" who thinks he has a right to push people around on this earth. So Lucifer is going to have to take a number :-)

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

I'm busy with a 4D "Satrap" who thinks he has a right to push people around on this earth. So Lucifer is going to have to take a number :-)

hmmm...is it a Persian
that goes by the name Ahriman ???
that you have hunted down ???

as for lucifer...
maybe, i'll draw his soul sigil
like a grail cup which holds the 'royal blood' of 'all the chakras'
the so-called eliXer of life
and, draw it in a way,
it reaches all the way up to the godhead
(the cath'o'licks stole the original one, and, likely corrupted it)
so, i;ll draw it, with 3 straws
making sure, it will hold the 'true' potential
of the all in all, in all of us

coffee time

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm wondering if most conjuring (spirits, entities, ufo's), channeling, and seances really involve contacting Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians (DIR). Perhaps Lucifer doesn't go 'out' much...if you know what I mean.

If I'm correct regarding the four hypothetical factions...why can't all of the factions unite around Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? I think the Dracs are the major problem...but why do they hate Humans...and why especially do they hate Jesus? What is the real history here? Do they have legitimate grievances...or are they simply incurable and unimaginably horrible SOB's?

The Illuminati are into really weird sex...aren't they? Why is this? Are the Illuminati perfectly possessed by Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians? Or...are the Illuminati really Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians? Is the Bavarian Illuminati different than the Illuminati...or are they the same thing? Are the Illuminati really Zionists...or are they Teutonic Zionists? I'm just seeing a whole lot of Dracs possessing a whole lot of humans...and harassing the rest of us...some more than others. How do we pull off a Solar System Exorcism? Has this already been arranged? Is it already in progress? Is something brewing? Hmmmmm. Mind you...I'm just asking questions and wondering about a lot of things. I really don't know what the hell is going on.

Seriously...when this mess gets resolved...I will have no problem making friends with members of all factions. I'm more curious than anything. I feel a certain amount of fear and uncertainty...but absolutely no hatred whatsoever. It just seems as though there is a ticking time-bomb which needs to somehow be defused. I'm really not into the War of the Worlds, Masters of the Universe, and Star Wars stuff.

One other thing. If Satan doesn't exist...how do we know that Source exists? Doesn't a lot of this boil down to believing what we want to believe...regardless of the evidence...or the lack thereof?

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

I'm wondering if most conjuring (spirits, entities, ufo's), channeling, and seances really involve contacting Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians (DIR). Perhaps Lucifer doesn't go 'out' much...if you know what I mean.

If I'm correct regarding the four hypothetical factions...why can't all of the factions unite around Namaste Constitutional Responsible Freedom? I think the Dracs are the major problem...but why do they hate Humans...and why especially do they hate Jesus? What is the real history here? Do they have legitimate grievances...or are they simply incurable and unimaginably horrible SOB's?

The Illuminati are into really weird sex...aren't they? Why is this? Are the Illuminati perfectly possessed by Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians? Or...are the Illuminati really Draconian Interdimensional Reptilians? Is the Bavarian Illuminati different than the Illuminati...or are they the same thing? Are the Illuminati really Zionists...or are they Teutonic Zionists? I'm just seeing a whole lot of Dracs possessing a whole lot of humans...and harassing the rest of us...some more than others. How do we pull off a Solar System Exorcism? Has this already been arranged? Is it already in progress?

Seriously...when this mess gets resolved...I will have no problem making friends with members of all factions. I'm more curious than anything. I feel a certain amount of fear and uncertainty...but absolutely no hatred whatsoever. It just seems as though there is a ticking time-bomb which needs to somehow be defused. I'm really not into the War of the Worlds, Masters of the Universe, and Star Wars stuff.

The pattern at this time and involving earth from what I have seen in my own sessions and those of others (my thread about between lives research goes into more detail) is the heirarchy is the greys (usually in a telepathic pod) then a Reptilian handler, and then some creepy looking Annunaki types controlling the Reptilians. We have not asked for higher than that. Let's face it these guys take some time to process and we don't get paid by the hour when we process them to a level of sanity :-) Not that I don't get personal gratification from knowing that one more pod has been disabled. But I'm looking for bigger fish to rehabilitate, plus I have my own spiritual condition to address, and plenty of beings are connected up with me.

I just got out of a session where I had been what my Annunaki master affectionately called, "My Monster". I was a Reptilian sort. What if you found out that this whole show is being run by some 16thdimensional huge ugly white grub-like being punching a few buttons on a console? And he had a bad day....that would put some of our favorite bad guys in their proper perspective.

Believe it or not, we all got here in the same boat and we all started out with wonderful goals and somewhere above time we still have those beautiful goals. A better question might be, "What was the 'original sin'?" [error is a better word]. I use that word "sin" very lightly.

[THE eXchanger]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

, "What was the 'original sin'?" [error is a better word]. I use that word "sin" very lightly.

there was NONE !!!

MAYBE, THIS IS ALL
just some kind of "wild turkey" hunt ???

BTW...reminds me, isn't it

happy "turkey" day ~ very soon, to our american friends !!!

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by eXchanger

there was NONE !!!

!

Wish that were true but that's not what I'm seeing. "Error" is a concept that presumes a certain attitude, so, yes, once I totally duplicate what went wrong and vanish it as a continuing compulsive response, then of course there will be no longer the considerations of "Errors".

But I don't see anyone yet, including our enllightened Selves, who is totally free of compulsive computations and behaviors and reactions. That sort of being would have had to voluntarily come into this universe from a universe where fixed duallities do not exist, and they would have had to come rather recently and still remain unscathed from their this-universe encounters.

Otherwise to say there is no original error is premature for most all of us. There will be a point where we can all say that and have it be true in practice.

love,
Gnosis