Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is

TruthWillSetUFree · 08-16-2009, 01:59 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e49G...embedded#t=656

The entire interview is excellent to understand the inner workings of Obama's agenda for America!

Jonathon · 08-16-2009, 02:41 PM

Pointing the finger at the president is totally missing the point in my opinion. Like any corporation, the CEO is always the board of directors' patsy and lapdog... it's a puppet game. If Obama is going to make a difference he will have to pick his battles wisely - and this healthcare bill ain't it! Maybe he will and maybe he won't play the part some expect. Doesn't make anyone wrong at this point.

Keyes is seeing what he wants/needs to see just like most people out there. What I see is a massive amount of disclosure and exposure that never happened prior to this administration, a global increase in vibration with associated decreases in violent crime, and a whole lot of hoop-la designed to wake up the masses. Just have to look for the little pieces of evidence behind the iron curtain of despair set up by the media and other sources of doom. Everything is happening perfectly as it should. We can all help by maintaining a state of high vibration/love and avoiding those things designed to make us fearful.

Humble Janitor · 08-16-2009, 02:46 PM

Again, it's a case of people picking and choosing what they want to hear/believe about the man. Alan Keyes wouldn't know the truth if it hit him smack dab in the face.

If anything, people have had their eyes opened by the current administration, even if it's not in the way they had hoped. It's not completely negative. The more people awaken, the less the potential for such things to happen again.

mntruthseeker · 08-16-2009, 03:35 PM

I actually believe in all of Alan's Keyes ideas. Sounds like he has a pretty good idea of what is happening.

Babies born alive should be aborted because their mothers do not want them? that is just so wrong...........To me that is plain murder. We put murderers in prison.

Did you listen to the video's?

I just pointed out one thing that Mr Keyes said. People can't turn their minds off of his words.

who lies????????????????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la1So...ture=quicklist

Humble Janitor · 08-16-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I actually believe in all of Alan's Keyes ideas. Sounds like he has a pretty good idea of what is happening.

Babies born alive should be aborted because their mothers do not want them? that is just so wrong...........To me that is plain murder. We put murderers in prison.

Did you listen to the video's?

I just pointed out one thing that Mr Keyes said. People can't turn their minds off of his words.

who lies????????????????????

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la1So...ture=quicklist

What Keyes is saying is nothing new. Republicans have used the tired old abortion line every time there's been a Democrat in office. It's just all part of the stupid game that we should not be playing anymore.

mntruthseeker · 08-16-2009, 04:35 PM

HJ its too bad that is not the only thing that bothered me about Mr Keyes speach

I go along with the fact its probally just part of the "disclosure" BS also and that our Love will change things.

If courageous men like Mr Alan Keyes stand up for what they believe in the I will applaud them.

We need the truth to reach all the people in order to get this world turned around.

There is no doubt in my mind of what Obama plans on doing and how you feel.

I do not hate obama, but I do hate what he represents to my world. One who thinks nothing of anothers life ! He didnt start this plan but he sure wants to carry it out. He said he could do it. We must do what we can (as we said we would ) to stop him

Northern Boy · 08-16-2009, 04:38 PM

I was going to write some thing here then deleted it and said F*CK IT Just Keep believing Wilcock .

Humble Janitor · 08-16-2009, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Boy

I was going to write some thing here then deleted it and said F*CK IT Just Keep believing Wilcock .

Keep believing people like Keyes.

I think we all can move away from this little "game" but it's not easy and never will be easy.

mntruthseeker · 08-16-2009, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

Keep believing people like Keyes.

I think we all can move away from this little "game" but it's not easy and never will be easy.

The trouble with all of this is...........it's no game................its real !

I care too much for the world to see them fall into the world that Obama and his croonies (demons) have planned for us

Since I opened my eyes, I do not just take anyones words for it. So that is pretty lame to say, oh so ok, believe in Keyes. Thats not what this is about.......Its intuition and that tells me whom I will believe regarding this particular matter. Mr Allan Keyes.............comes to the front. He is NOT lying about the things he is saying here..............

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8fFgrmWu0c

TruthWillSetUFree · 08-16-2009, 06:00 PM

I can't believe they are saying the town hall people are staged but they are doing the staging to put through the healthcare reform. They are working overtime to skew the Truth movement and the people involved in it.

Watch this

http://www.infowars.com/pale-horse-f...militia-blitz/

I know what you mean when you say your intuition says the Keyes is speaking Truth, I felt the same thing. Too bad people comment before watching the entire interview or even bother with watching the first one.
I think we are hearing enough to discern what sounds like Truth and what is being put out to manipulate and confuse people.

Humble Janitor · 08-17-2009, 01:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TruthWillSetUFree

I can't believe they are saying the town hall people are staged but they are doing the staging to put through the healthcare reform. They are working overtime to skew the Truth movement and the people involved in it.

Watch this

http://www.infowars.com/pale-horse-f...militia-blitz/

I know what you mean when you say your intuition says the Keyes is speaking Truth, I felt the same thing. Too bad people comment before watching the entire interview or even bother with watching the first one.
I think we are hearing enough to discern what sounds like Truth and what is being put out to manipulate and confuse people.

Personally, I feel the Truth movement is screwing themselves with their jumping to the beat on the latest propaganda courtesy of Keyes, Palin and Co.

Ross H · 08-17-2009, 02:32 AM

HMMM....Look at Obamas's administration...regardless of his personal ethics or what he stands for, he's is surrounded by genocidal, lying, theiving, mudering, self serving, I could keep going but you get the point!

Remember where Obama came from...one of the most corrupt states in the world...he is no angel...he is human, maybe?

dolphin · 08-17-2009, 03:36 AM

imo: it's not about CHANGING the old system, it's about CREATING a new and different one to REPLACE the old paradigm... as the old one dies (as it is now, a new one will emerge).

this is what happens when you have a "democracy" and not a "republic". the current system is a "democracy".

Ross H · 08-17-2009, 03:55 AM

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Originally Posted by dolphin

imo: it's not about CHANGING the old system, it's about CREATING a new and different one to REPLACE the old paradigm... as the old one dies (as it is now, a new one will emerge).

this is what happens when you have a "democracy" and not a "republic". the current system is a "democracy".

It is my opinion the "democratic countries" are now and probly always been, facisim in disguse...when you look hard enough its damm right scary, we have been completely duped...in my opinion that is.

lucrum · 08-17-2009, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by jross

It is my opinion the "democratic countries" are now and probly always been, facisim in disguse...when you look hard enough its damm right scary, we have been completely duped...in my opinion that is.

Amen to that!

I live in a so called democracy, even though we have a king and thus should be a monarchy. We are probably none of those things.

People believe they have free will, but when they are convinced they elected our leaders, they cannot see that media was the one shaping their opinion. Now THAT's a game folks!

On the case of Obama, I won't be too big in words about him seeing I probably don't know half of what's going on overseas. I do however remember the election campaign, and it struck me how suggestive and glorifying it all seemed. A guy from here, which is spending alot of time in the US, he couldn't help notice the similarities with hitlers mass meetings...

I'm not saying this is how it is, just a view from an outsider with a less personal perspective on it.

mntruthseeker · 08-17-2009, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by jross

HMMM....Look at Obamas's administration...regardless of his personal ethics or what he stands for, he's is surrounded by genocidal, lying, theiving, mudering, self serving, I could keep going but you get the point!

Remember where Obama came from...one of the most corrupt states in the world...he is no angel...he is human, maybe?

Yes, I agree 100 % with you. The only people that were "props" in the townhall meetings were the ones Obama hired to appear. The people that were yelling and wanted their voices heard are genuine. We have reason to be alarm.

I understand Obama says he is ready to back down due to our concerns of making us take a "gov run health care" bill. I seriously think that if he tries to pull a fast one over the people of America, he will truly be sorry.

Chicago is loaded with the likes of obama and his croonies.

Get a grip and realize before this gets so big that you are slapped in your beautiful faces with the truth of the Evilness of Obama. He lied to us and we all know it.

I thinks its dispicable that he paid people 500 a week to appear at the townhall and fight the good people of this Country. We will not settle for this. He has picked the wrong time to try and push us into the NWO that his "puppet masters" are trying to put forth

Ross H · 08-17-2009, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Yes, I agree 100 % with you. The only people that were "props" in the townhall meetings were the ones Obama hired to appear. The people that were yelling and wanted their voices heard are genuine. We have reason to be alarm.

I understand Obama says he is ready to back down due to our concerns of making us take a "gov run health care" bill. I seriously think that if he tries to pull a fast one over the people of America, he will truly be sorry.

Chicago is loaded with the likes of obama and his croonies.

Get a grip and realize before this gets so big that you are slapped in your beautiful faces with the truth of the Evilness of Obama. He lied to us and we all know it.

I thinks its dispicable that he paid people 500 a week to appear at the townhall and fight the good people of this Country. We will not settle for this. He has picked the wrong time to try and push us into the NWO that his "puppet masters" are trying to put forth

OOH well said!!! bravo!!

Anchor · 08-17-2009, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jross

HMMM....Look at Obamas's administration...regardless of his personal ethics or what he stands for, he's is surrounded by genocidal, lying, theiving, mudering, self serving, I could keep going but you get the point!

So knowing this, it should be clear how hard it is for him to act in the way we all want him to. If he goes to far to fast in the direction WE need him to go in he will be killed.

This is not a short term problem, not one with a quick fix - one that normal humans would not find to be possible.

A..

mntruthseeker · 08-17-2009, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

So knowing this, it should be clear how hard it is for him to act in the way we all want him to. If he goes to far to fast in the direction WE need him to go in he will be killed.

This is not a short term problem, not one with a quick fix - one that normal humans would not find to be possible.

A..

You have a very nice outcome of your expectations of Obama. I will say that my husband agrees with you on this. He is a very intelligent man and tells me to shut up several times a day if I bring this up. I learned to keep it to myself so maybe I am shooting my mouth off in here.

BUT, my husband still thinks of our government as a two party system and we know thats not true.

I like your solution and I will be very proud to take the "I told you so" and have it shoved down my throat if I am wrong. I will own up to my error in judgement.

You can't possibly expect us to settle in our sofa's and just watch this health bill be put through. Sit back and wait for Obama to show us all, he is going to save our world......... Thats not realistic at all, in fact it's laughable at this time.

I have 13 grandchildren and I want better for them. They deserve better

I know that they will have better..............I will not get out in the streets and fight, not me, but I will not comply.

Northern Boy · 08-17-2009, 06:33 AM

Anchor as i said earlier in my post to H J he is at best a one term President time is not on his side so if he is going to do some thing he better get to it . People don`t drink sour milk and Barrack is starting to leave a very sour taste in many Americans mouths., So he better start chilling and get to the Spilling

Barcarolle · 08-17-2009, 07:33 AM

It staggers me you all still idolize political views and thoughts and are so induced into ego based reactions depending on which political party is best for us and what policy will work or not.

FACT - Politics will be recorded as the second greatest successful mind controlled experiment in this history of this current civilization, and the greatest of all and still the most successful form of mind control is religion.

Once you all realize governments will not exist in its current format in 12 months the better you may prepare for what lies ahead.

Wilcock was attempting in allowing all of us to look at things differently, by opening peoples minds to other possibilities, in this reality we actually cause things through collective thoughts, the more you people buy into this game the worse things get and it will very shortly.

Myplanet2 · 08-17-2009, 12:12 PM

It all settles on our shoulders, individually and collectively. As long as we remain in a condition of surrendered sovereignty, none of us can do more than hope and believe.

Those are not our only options. How about Cause, Create, Decide?

It's up to us. And the whole "dog and pony" show is just a distraction.

There are no saviors, religious or political.

Our task is to step up and create the civilization we want. Not to beg permission to exist on "their" terms. What can they do if we just decide to "shed" their system and walk away and create a new one? Will they sue us? lock us up? charge us with crimes? threaten our retirements?

I like Clif High's term of SOC's (self organizing collectives). And Michael St. Clair's term of "Radiant Zones". These could replace the old system, as long as they don't try to follow the template of the old system. We have to create what we want. Us. You and I. Nobody else can do it.

Maybe bottom up instead of top down for a change? Until we get a better vision?

TruthWillSetUFree · 08-17-2009, 01:34 PM

I remain an optimist. I still believe Obama has it in him to do the right thing, as we all do, whether or not he does, at the risk of someone harming him is another matter. Look what they did to Kennedy and all the other people who they wanted silenced.

Wilcock also spoke of the chaos theory and its self organizing principle, which I also believe to be Truth.

I believe in the collective whole manifesting a new reality too. All of us being on the forum is creating our own pocket of light, understanding and higher consciousness in the collective and why it is always a good idea to speak to one another in respect, decency and love, while still speaking one's own Truth.

If we want a new paradigm we have to BE that new paradigm in every moment no matter if we are out in the world with people or on the forum.

I think Don Miquel Ruiz's 4 Agreements are a good way to live:

Be Impeccable with your word
Speak with integrity. Avoid using words to gossip, use the power of your words in the direction of Truth and Love

Don't take anything personally
Nothing others do is because of you. What others do is a projection of their own reality.

Don't make assumptions
Have courage to ask questions, express what you want. Communicate clearly to avoid misunderstandings sadness and drama

Always do your best!
Our best will always change according to how one feels. Under all circumstances do your best to avoid self judgment, abuse and regret.

It will be interesting to watch it all unfold

My very best to all,
In Truth

Northern Boy · 08-17-2009, 03:15 PM

Barcarolle It is funny that you would mention Wilcock and Ego in your post. I often think of that very thing when I`m reading his stuff. And politics has nothing to do with mind control and every thing to do with Deception . For me governments do not exist now I refuse to be governed by anything but my own actions simply put being governed = being a slave and I`ve had enough of that game

Barcarolle · 08-18-2009, 12:09 AM

Government lets break down its meaning

Govern in latin means Control
Mente in greek means Mind

we live in a world of mass deception, symbols, numerology, geometry and trickery ..... most of the deceptions are right in front of our noses. unfortunately we are all in an ego, fear driven world where the vast majority of people are completely oblivious to the extent of this deception.

Deception is Mind Control or in modern terms NLP ... yes all world leaders and so called elites are experts in this game of power.

they are clinging on with their fingernails right now, shortly they will be hiding underground with tails tucked aside as they dont have the guts or character to face us

08-16-2009, 01:59 PM	#1
TruthWillSetUFree Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 673	Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e49G...embedded#t=656 The entire interview is excellent to understand the inner workings of Obama's agenda for America!

08-16-2009, 02:41 PM	#2
Jonathon Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 208	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is Pointing the finger at the president is totally missing the point in my opinion. Like any corporation, the CEO is always the board of directors' patsy and lapdog... it's a puppet game. If Obama is going to make a difference he will have to pick his battles wisely - and this healthcare bill ain't it! Maybe he will and maybe he won't play the part some expect. Doesn't make anyone wrong at this point. Keyes is seeing what he wants/needs to see just like most people out there. What I see is a massive amount of disclosure and exposure that never happened prior to this administration, a global increase in vibration with associated decreases in violent crime, and a whole lot of hoop-la designed to wake up the masses. Just have to look for the little pieces of evidence behind the iron curtain of despair set up by the media and other sources of doom. Everything is happening perfectly as it should. We can all help by maintaining a state of high vibration/love and avoiding those things designed to make us fearful.

08-16-2009, 02:46 PM	#3
Humble Janitor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 3,201	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is Again, it's a case of people picking and choosing what they want to hear/believe about the man. Alan Keyes wouldn't know the truth if it hit him smack dab in the face. If anything, people have had their eyes opened by the current administration, even if it's not in the way they had hoped. It's not completely negative. The more people awaken, the less the potential for such things to happen again.

08-16-2009, 03:35 PM	#4
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is I actually believe in all of Alan's Keyes ideas. Sounds like he has a pretty good idea of what is happening. Babies born alive should be aborted because their mothers do not want them? that is just so wrong...........To me that is plain murder. We put murderers in prison. Did you listen to the video's? I just pointed out one thing that Mr Keyes said. People can't turn their minds off of his words. who lies???????????????????? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la1So...ture=quicklist Last edited by mntruthseeker; 08-16-2009 at 03:43 PM.

08-16-2009, 04:35 PM	#6
mntruthseeker Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,482	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is HJ its too bad that is not the only thing that bothered me about Mr Keyes speach I go along with the fact its probally just part of the "disclosure" BS also and that our Love will change things. If courageous men like Mr Alan Keyes stand up for what they believe in the I will applaud them. We need the truth to reach all the people in order to get this world turned around. There is no doubt in my mind of what Obama plans on doing and how you feel. I do not hate obama, but I do hate what he represents to my world. One who thinks nothing of anothers life ! He didnt start this plan but he sure wants to carry it out. He said he could do it. We must do what we can (as we said we would ) to stop him

08-16-2009, 04:38 PM	#7
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is I was going to write some thing here then deleted it and said *FCK IT** Just Keep believing Wilcock .

08-16-2009, 06:00 PM	#10
TruthWillSetUFree Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 673	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is I can't believe they are saying the town hall people are staged but they are doing the staging to put through the healthcare reform. They are working overtime to skew the Truth movement and the people involved in it. Watch this http://www.infowars.com/pale-horse-f...militia-blitz/ I know what you mean when you say your intuition says the Keyes is speaking Truth, I felt the same thing. Too bad people comment before watching the entire interview or even bother with watching the first one. I think we are hearing enough to discern what sounds like Truth and what is being put out to manipulate and confuse people.

08-17-2009, 02:32 AM	#12
Ross H Project Avalon Moderator Join Date: May 2009 Location: Queensland Australia Posts: 507	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is HMMM....Look at Obamas's administration...regardless of his personal ethics or what he stands for, he's is surrounded by genocidal, lying, theiving, mudering, self serving, I could keep going but you get the point! Remember where Obama came from...one of the most corrupt states in the world...he is no angel...he is human, maybe?

08-17-2009, 03:36 AM	#13
dolphin Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 277	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is imo: it's not about CHANGING the old system, it's about CREATING a new and different one to REPLACE the old paradigm... as the old one dies (as it is now, a new one will emerge). this is what happens when you have a "democracy" and not a "republic". the current system is a "democracy".

08-17-2009, 06:33 AM	#20
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is Anchor as i said earlier in my post to H J he is at best a one term President time is not on his side so if he is going to do some thing he better get to it . People don`t drink sour milk and Barrack is starting to leave a very sour taste in many Americans mouths., So he better start chilling and get to the Spilling

08-17-2009, 07:33 AM	#21
Barcarolle Retired Avalon Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 73	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is It staggers me you all still idolize political views and thoughts and are so induced into ego based reactions depending on which political party is best for us and what policy will work or not. FACT - Politics will be recorded as the second greatest successful mind controlled experiment in this history of this current civilization, and the greatest of all and still the most successful form of mind control is religion. Once you all realize governments will not exist in its current format in 12 months the better you may prepare for what lies ahead. Wilcock was attempting in allowing all of us to look at things differently, by opening peoples minds to other possibilities, in this reality we actually cause things through collective thoughts, the more you people buy into this game the worse things get and it will very shortly.

08-17-2009, 12:12 PM	#22
Myplanet2 In The Mists Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Toronto Posts: 1,133	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is It all settles on our shoulders, individually and collectively. As long as we remain in a condition of surrendered sovereignty, none of us can do more than hope and believe. Those are not our only options. How about Cause, Create, Decide? It's up to us. And the whole "dog and pony" show is just a distraction. There are no saviors, religious or political. Our task is to step up and create the civilization we want. Not to beg permission to exist on "their" terms. What can they do if we just decide to "shed" their system and walk away and create a new one? Will they sue us? lock us up? charge us with crimes? threaten our retirements? I like Clif High's term of SOC's (self organizing collectives). And Michael St. Clair's term of "Radiant Zones". These could replace the old system, as long as they don't try to follow the template of the old system. We have to create what we want. Us. You and I. Nobody else can do it. Maybe bottom up instead of top down for a change? Until we get a better vision?

08-17-2009, 01:34 PM	#23
TruthWillSetUFree Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Illinois Posts: 673	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is I remain an optimist. I still believe Obama has it in him to do the right thing, as we all do, whether or not he does, at the risk of someone harming him is another matter. Look what they did to Kennedy and all the other people who they wanted silenced. Wilcock also spoke of the chaos theory and its self organizing principle, which I also believe to be Truth. I believe in the collective whole manifesting a new reality too. All of us being on the forum is creating our own pocket of light, understanding and higher consciousness in the collective and why it is always a good idea to speak to one another in respect, decency and love, while still speaking one's own Truth. If we want a new paradigm we have to BE that new paradigm in every moment no matter if we are out in the world with people or on the forum. I think Don Miquel Ruiz's 4 Agreements are a good way to live: Be Impeccable with your word Speak with integrity. Avoid using words to gossip, use the power of your words in the direction of Truth and Love Don't take anything personally Nothing others do is because of you. What others do is a projection of their own reality. Don't make assumptions Have courage to ask questions, express what you want. Communicate clearly to avoid misunderstandings sadness and drama Always do your best! Our best will always change according to how one feels. Under all circumstances do your best to avoid self judgment, abuse and regret. It will be interesting to watch it all unfold My very best to all, In Truth

08-17-2009, 03:15 PM	#24
Northern Boy Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: On this Rock Posts: 1,390	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is Barcarolle It is funny that you would mention Wilcock and Ego in your post. I often think of that very thing when I`m reading his stuff. And politics has nothing to do with mind control and every thing to do with Deception . For me governments do not exist now I refuse to be governed by anything but my own actions simply put being governed = being a slave and I`ve had enough of that game Last edited by Northern Boy; 08-17-2009 at 04:24 PM.

08-18-2009, 12:09 AM	#25
Barcarolle Retired Avalon Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Melbourne Posts: 73	Re: Wilcock was wrong about Obama! Alan Keyes tells it like it is Government lets break down its meaning Govern in latin means Control Mente in greek means Mind we live in a world of mass deception, symbols, numerology, geometry and trickery ..... most of the deceptions are right in front of our noses. unfortunately we are all in an ego, fear driven world where the vast majority of people are completely oblivious to the extent of this deception. Deception is Mind Control or in modern terms NLP ... yes all world leaders and so called elites are experts in this game of power. they are clinging on with their fingernails right now, shortly they will be hiding underground with tails tucked aside as they dont have the guts or character to face us Last edited by Barcarolle; 08-18-2009 at 12:11 AM.