Would Humanity Be Better Off If We Just Abolish Government?

[Seashore]

I'm throwing out this hypothetical to see what insights might be learned...

Assuming for the sake of argument that it would be possible to abolish government, would we be better off?

[alyscat]

I'm thinking not - we still need something that will prevent anarchy, which is what government does, theoretically - however, getting the "right" something in place with the right people, is problematic, given the fact that society today has devolved into a every-man-for-himself and I'm-not-a-real/good/rightful-person-if-I-don't-have-X

I think we can thank BF Skinner for this (NOT). <sigh> and rampant predatory capitalism.

alys

[iainl140285]

Not all in one go - I think a gradual phasing out with new structures and mind sets of personnel responsibility and common sense being introduced.

It would take a loooonnnnggggg time to make it work however, time we dont have

[feeler]

Having a number of republics for us to pick and choose would be nice. If one person is not satisfied with one system, he/she has the right to relocate to a different system.

I call this healthy and peaceful competition among the republics.

A one-world government guarantees rotting corruption at the top.

-feeler

[777 The Great Work]

A government Governs the Mental states of opposites in polarity.

Duality thinking gives birth to government.It is this type of thinking that the government thrives on .

When the mind is in confusion,then comes choice between this or that. As long as there is the illusion that creates conflicting polarities,there will be government. Government xsist because of the masses uncertainty, and fear of the unknown.

[Myplanet2]

IMO 7's has this exactly right.

we don't need government anymore. Since our duality game is coming to a close, so will our tolerance of top down government, or top down anything.

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

A government Governs the Mental states of opposites in polarity.

Duality thinking gives birth to government.It is this type of thinking that the government thrives on .

When the mind is in confusion,then comes choice between this or that. As long as there is the illusion that creates conflicting polarities,there will be government. Government xsist because of the masses uncertainty, and fear of the unknown.

Well said!!
And unfortunately it's always been that way.
The cavemen had a leader of the pack,and I'm sure his friends were council.
the indians had a chief,and I'm sure his friends and wisemen were council, and so on!

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

A government Governs the Mental states of opposites in polarity.

Duality thinking gives birth to government.It is this type of thinking that the government thrives on .

When the mind is in confusion,then comes choice between this or that. As long as there is the illusion that creates conflicting polarities,there will be government. Government xsist because of the masses uncertainty, and fear of the unknown.

You are right.

[oldpaganfreak]

Originally Posted by alyscat

I'm thinking not - we still need something that will prevent anarchy.................alys

Would Humanity Be Better Off If We Just Abolish Government?

in a word....YES!!

that's what anarchy is all about. in theory, anarchism should work as well as any '..ism'.certainly anarchism provides the greatest personal freedom. unfortunately, it also requires the greatest of personal responsibility. in order to have maximum freedom, it behoves us to ensure that everyone has that freedom. therefore, it does not allow us to harm our neighbours, or limit their freedom. that's the dichotomy of anarchy.

there is no '..ism' that actually works in practise, but they all look good on paper.

[Zeddo]

No - all theorising aside

Babies need nursemaids

The people have what they deserve due to their apathy and penchant for
absorbing lies and not having the guts to stand against them

We may as well ask - would humanity be better off without starvation? The answer is pathetically simple, of course we would and we have it in our power to stop this immediately, but we don't.

Guess what folks, I'm tired of all the B.S. weak kneed gutless cr*p. All the nice theories, the clever code cracking, the philosophising etc etc etc

Most especially I am tired of weak kneed and gutless people who allow themselves to be run by certified nutcases. This could have eben stopped at the first sign of wrong doing but it wasn't so guess what dear friends, by our very own inaction and acceptance of all of this, we are complicit.

Oh I know, don't bother answering, you never do anyway unless it's to be disparaging....who cares, I don't. Not anymore.

Peace love and Light ? I think not, let whatever is coming happen because we deserve it for being so frigging pathetic.Take all your clever

and patronising speak and shove it where it belongs, in the trash can and gutters...........

Belonging to this forum is actually a joke, show me one good thing that has come of it, just one.

[Zeddo]

watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=993rZrfLBjg

and now wake the F*CK UP

[oldpaganfreak]

Originally Posted by Zeddo

watch this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=993rZrfLBjg

and now wake the F*CK UP

i'd love to watch, but i can't. what's in the video?

[iainl140285]

Originally Posted by oldpaganfreak

i'd love to watch, but i can't. what's in the video?

It starts with an few shots of city restraunts, KFC, McDs and the likes. Its in some busy Asian city. 2 girls go into a restraunt, order chicken, eat what they like from it, laugh and have a joke then leave.

Then a man comes on a bike after the restraunt customers are gone with a large plastic bin. He sifts through the remains of all the left over, chewed up meals trying to salvage anything still edibble.

He takes the scraps to a rural area outside the city it looks like and puts the bin down. A group of hungry kids then start tearing into the scraps. Very sad. It the unseen ... let me change that - its the un-akoweledged part of life.

The fact that there are people who do not really know what they have, and do not really know how the others live.

[oldpaganfreak]

Originally Posted by iainl140285

It starts with an few shots of city restraunts, KFC, McDs and the likes. Its in some busy Asian city. 2 girls go into a restraunt, order chicken, eat what they like from it, laugh and have a joke then leave.

Then a man comes on a bike after the restraunt customers are gone with a large plastic bin. He sifts through the remains of all the left over, chewed up meals trying to salvage anything still edibble.

He takes the scraps to a rural area outside the city it looks like and puts the bin down. A group of hungry kids then start tearing into the scraps. Very sad. It the unseen ... let me change that - its the un-akoweledged part of life.

The fact that there are people who do not really know what they have, and do not really know how the others live.

thanks iain and zeddo. i'm glad i can't see it. i'd be in tears. it's painful to think of some with sooooooo much and so many with nothing. we are so wealthy, even the poorest of us (i mean us, you and i. if we have a computer,or even access to one, we're probably know that we can eat today and tomorrow.)

but, we are still left with the question of what to do with government. considering that any political system, or lack thereof, is a failure due to inherent human lust for power and wealth, and that any government, throughout history is, or will become, corrupt and mindless of the needs of the masses, then i say abolish government.
we can't be any worse off without it than we are with it.

[Carol]

A world of zen monks would be quite peaceful.

[oldpaganfreak]

Originally Posted by Carol

A world of zen monks would be quite peaceful.

one handed clapping is very quiet!

[lemon_sky88]

I believe this may be not to far off. If our govt crumbels we will be left with no structure other than mans own intuition. I believe at that time there will be groupings or tribes. Good and Bad the world will be a very tuff place to comute and find out whose on whose side and wars will be faught, people will be killed. (unless an outside source acts to help us shift the paradime) Our conciousness knows at the end of the day what is good and bad. Its imbeaded deep within us is my belief. there will be good tribes and bad tribes. As long as our conciousness remains the same. not to fly to far off subject, i think the goverment or structure will always exist for humans, even if the govt as we know it is not there. It is our evolutionary instinct to elect leaders and just as important followers who have expertise in there own areas. Its our camoflaughe, our evolutionary strength to see these things in ourselves and others. it our thirst for knowledge and sucess. I believe having leaders or government is not bad. Its a serious of bad ideas and a thirst for power (evil) which is hurting a good thing, our governments of the world. We need to get back to basics. Fundamentals have been lost. Love one anouther, treat me how you wish to be treated, take care of this planet, take care of everyone, is not a Hippie idea, its an instinctual calling many refuse to listin too, they sacrafice this for one thing, Power. We need a change in paradime before anything gets beter. No govt being a good thing, this is only good after a paradime shift is my opinion. Because we would then not need them due to our rebirth or new mentalities. We need to focus on fundamentals and make shur we make an effort every day to beter our selves and carry the tourch. We can shift our own perodime in this manor. In turn we will beter humanity which will fix all. its a magical basket you can set all problems aside in and focus on urself, because urself is everybody else, so then and only then we can start concentrating on anything else, such as how to govern ourselves or what our goals should be. none of this is good if we ourselves are evil. Shed light and day shall be prevalent, then all will see. Help me carry this tourch brothers and sisters. we are all one is lifes greatest secrete, in my opinion. I hurt you it hurts me. vise versal. with love for all.

[Northern Boy]

ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS we are in the position we face today is because of governments they have stolen our individual sovereignty and handed it over to the very institutions that are now being handed unlimited billions. After the last depression governments turned your grandfathers hard labour and all of his future descendants earnings to the F*ckin Fed . THEY THEN CREATED THE STRAWMAN AND TOLD YOU IT WAS YOU . And now they have all these stupid laws and statutes that you think you must obey. All based on UCC law when in fact they apply to your strawman . And our governments know this We are all f*-cked when we apply , Register ,for things because in doing so we are giving our personal sovereignty away we are in fact saying "I`m not capable of doing this myself would you do it for me " . What we really should be doing is telling government that I`m Old enough and More than capable of doing this with out their assistance and I no longer require (insert Government Here) to hold my hand because the only reason for them is to control us tell us what we can and can not do . Are we not capable of this . Just look at governments they no longer represent the people when in fact they take their money and orders from the corporations and lobby groups. The only time they have any time for the common citizen is when they want your vote then they care .and after the election its back to the same old sh*t. There are only 3 things that we need law enforcement for. The 2 major ones being

1)did we cause someone to be harmed
2) did we use mischief in our contracts

As an example you are arrested for smoking weed
who was harmed by this act ? NO ONE
so why then is it a crime .

Because we gave the government the right to control us if we in mass took that control back we would no longer be required to pay tax in any form
Example
we are paying property tax to enjoy our own property and just so you know any one that has bought property does not own that property if you registered it you gave that ownership away and merely hold the equity portion of it. Your State, provincial, or local government can at any time come and take it as long as they pay you fair market value for it .

It costs a lot of money to hold the governments hand is it really worth it? The good thing is there is a way out but it requires guts and knowledge . Ask any lawyer about his and most will avoid it . Just recently someone posted a video Kymatica it is one small part in this film but it is to the point OUR governments sold us down the river of slavery long ago so they do nothing for us any longer when will we wake up

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

ONE OF THE BIGGEST REASONS we are in the position we face today is because of governments...

Yeah, I would like it if we could just start all over again, from scratch!

[Zeddo]

Originally Posted by oldpaganfreak

i'd love to watch, but i can't. what's in the video?

Hi OPF

this is the accompanying description

This film is about the hunger and poverty brought about by Globalization. There are 10,000 people dying everyday due to hunger and malnutrition. This short film shows a forgotten portion of the society. The people who lives on the refuse of men to survive. What is inspiring is the hope and spirituality that never left this people. Directed by: Ferdinand Dimadura, 2005

[orthodoxymoron]

Theoretically? Yes. Practically? No. The practical ideal is a minimalist decentralized government. Electronic participation in decision making by We the People of Earth can be facilitated with the internet. In a small way...this is what is happening here on Avalon...except we aren't voting. Actually...that would be a cool idea...for us to vote on various issues. Who knows what that might lead to? Ross Perot was correct when he suggested the Electronic Town Meeting. At the time...everyone laughed.
I'm not laughing. We don't need a dictatorship. We don't need anarchy. We need Constitutional Responsible Freedom. Sorry for the broken record.

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

...Electronic Town Meeting...

I would love to see this happen...

[scanner]

Legal Government voted in by the MAJORITY not MINORTIY as is the case here UK anyway, ppl just turn off when it comes to politics and the lies told by politicians no one believes them anymore , feathering there own nests all the time lots of them outed recently caught with there sticky fingers in the till . Its not Goverment thats the problem its the ppl ie politicians (not all of them )

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by scanner

I love this emoticon. It's so cute!

[Humble Janitor]

Originally Posted by scanner

Legal Government voted in by the MAJORITY not MINORTIY as is the case here UK anyway, ppl just turn off when it comes to politics and the lies told by politicians no one believes them anymore , feathering there own nests all the time lots of them outed recently caught with there sticky fingers in the till . Its not Goverment thats the problem its the ppl ie politicians (not all of them )

Majority rule doesn't work when it comes to deciding whether certain people/groups have rights or not.

It's certainly not the way to go.