Camelot responds to St Clair's blurb

I just happened to stop by Camelot today, and lo and behold, there is a statement today by Camelot (Bill & Kerry) in response to Cliff High's interview with Michael St Clair wherein St Clair casually mentions that Bill is Kerry's handler...

that is mind control vocabulary.

The reason I start this thread is that I would have expected B & K to dismiss the blurb, ok maybe make a statement... nevertheless... for them to be so dissed & express this to such a degree, to me, is a rather low handed manner of dealing with it. There are many negative remarks about certain "whistleblowers" on their site, I don't see them dissing & deleting those interviews.

These days, posts, threads, opinions are coming forward in myriads of fashions.. I would think that the founders of Camelot would take that in stride, make a short statement and move on. Michael St Clair has much to offer that we ought not to dismiss... w/the premise that any 'whisltblower' or any other person w/insight has a part of the onion as well... for us to peel.

I am not happy with their announcement.

Regarding Mind Control, a vast subject, huge rabbit hole... but worth looking into... when one is mind controlled (as are we ALL)... more than likely one would not be cognizant of it... even if you are UP ON IT.. you would know eventually that the work to unravel the madness is quite a job indeed...
AND, the norm is for one to dismiss the fact that they are controlled.
Not to mention that the "handler" is also mind controlled..<<<

what is so difficult to recognize about that I ask???

We are ALL subject to this imprinting/mind control/programming...
and those that deny this are perhaps more controlled than others.

I think it is regretful that they had to post a retraction on their website as they did... that they could not see THRU the veil enough to simply acknowledge the words that were spoken and choose to remain open.

We must not cut off threads to knowledge based on our egoic stance..
there are other ways to deal with seeming adversity than to erase words from a screen.

http://media.light-seeds.com/clifhigh22march2009.mp3

http://projectcamelot.org/

[avyaktam]

In a recent radio interview (I forgot with who) I heard somebody saying that it seems that people in these circuits are being set up against each other:
Jones vs Rense, Icke vs ?, Alan watts vs ? etc. And know we see this one.
St. Clair is not my favorite, but I listen to what he has to say once in a while but I am not going to focus on him. The same for David Wilcock. They are not my leading stars, but I'm not trying to bash them. Also Bill and Kerry have stands and follow ways that would not be my primary choices, still I consider what they are doing valuable and I appreciate.

Here on the forum we have recently have threads with pro-contra fights about Peggy Kane and Alex Jones not to speak about members bashing each other.
It reminds me of this Tom Bearden interview were he talks about the ways the PTB use to neutralize free-energy inventors, also referred to in the latest Camelot interview with Wade Frazier. The first thing they do Bearden explains there is that they make an in dept study of the person, a psychological profile and with that they know exactly how they best can manipulate and neutralize that researcher. Put a certain person in their life, bribe, use their pride or honesty; whatever serves the purpose. It is wise to be aware of this.

It is also wise to consider what Stewart Swerdlow recentlly said, that the PTB at the moment are putting out mindcontrol frequencies that stimulate anger and dispute.

Furthermore I consider it wise to do what Jim Marrs said a couple of years ago. When he hears certain information he puts it in a "Ahum" file; meaning that he keeps it in mind, doesn't accept it or accept it fully, but also doesn't disregard it fully: he waits for more information to make up his mind about it.
That's what I did for example with the GFL messages and finally I made up my mind. Peggy Kane, Dan Burisch and Ben Fullford are in my "ahum" at the moment.

To B&K I would say. I find your reaction a bit strong and I don't like you parenting us. I mean you have all the right to defend yourself and to criticize and to stop endorsing, but what you did with I consider to be an overkill and almost misuse of power at this stage of developments as far as they are visible.

PS I was writing this after the initial post by epiphemi, and did not see the posts in between that throw more light on the matter

[cantaloupe]

St Clair seems like he's into money and power. Everything is "high level" with him and his clients, or so he says. He always felt like somewhat of a charlatan, a bit too polished. Betrayal is sad though.

[burgundia]

Originally Posted by avyaktam

In a recent radio interview (I forgot with who) I heard somebody saying that it seems that people in these circuits are being set up against each other:
Jones vs Rense, Icke vs ?, Alan watts vs ? etc. And know we see this one.
St. Clair is not my favorite, but I listen to what he has to say once in a while but I am not going to focus on him. The same for David Wilcock. They are not my leading stars, but I'm not trying to bash them. Also Bill and Kerry have stands and follow ways that would not be my primary choices, still I consider what they are doing valuable and I appreciate.

Here on the forum we have recently have threads with pro-contra fights about Peggy Kane and Alex Jones not to speak about members bashing each other.
It reminds me of this Tom Bearden interview were he talks about the ways the PTB use to neutralize free-energy inventors, also referred to in the latest Camelot interview with Wade Frazier. The first thing they do Bearden explains there is that they make an in dept study of the person, a psychological profile and with that they know exactly how they best can manipulate and neutralize that researcher. Put a certain person in their life, bribe, use their pride or honesty; whatever serves the purpose. It is wise to be aware of this.

It is also wise to consider what Stewart Swerdlow recentlly said, that the PTB at the moment are putting out mindcontrol frequencies that stimulate anger and dispute.

Furthermore I consider it wise to do what Jim Marrs said a couple of years ago. When he hears certain information he puts it in a "Ahum" file; meaning that he keeps it in mind, doesn't accept it or accept it fully, but also doesn't disregard it fully: he waits for more information to make up his mind about it.
That's what I did for example with the GFL messages and finally I made up my mind. Peggy Kane, Dan Burisch and Ben Fullford are in my "ahum" at the moment.

To B&K I would say. I find your reaction a bit strong and I don't like you parenting us. I mean you have all the right to defend yourself and to criticize and to stop endorsing, but what you did with I consider to be an overkill and almost misuse of power at this stage of developments as far as they are visible.

PS I was writing this after the initial post by epiphemi, and did not see the posts in between that throw more light on the matter

I really resonate with what you wrote about "ahum" thing, about not accepting and nor disregarding fully...I am like a big sponge, absorbing but careful with judging...

[Myplanet2]

I enjoyed reading the responses so far.

everything I would say, I see already here. I like the "take everything with a grain of salt" attitude.

This discussion would have been MUCH different in Sept 08 when this forum was new. we've come a long way and should acknowledge our progress towards electing ourselves as our own leaders.

Everyone speaks from their own viewpoint (unless they are play acting or something is wrong with them). Peggy's comments quoted above, I see as coming from her. Michael's comments, I see as his. It's just people saying what they think or have seen, or have been told. We're all just trying to learn and teach as the case may be.

It's fun.

[sun-toon´]

Originally Posted by avyaktam

In a recent radio interview (I forgot with who) I heard somebody saying that it seems that people in these circuits are being set up against each other:
Jones vs Rense, Icke vs ?, Alan watts vs ? etc. And know we see this one.
St. Clair is not my favorite, but I listen to what he has to say once in a while but I am not going to focus on him. The same for David Wilcock. They are not my leading stars, but I'm not trying to bash them. Also Bill and Kerry have stands and follow ways that would not be my primary choices, still I consider what they are doing valuable and I appreciate.

It reminds me of this Tom Bearden interview were he talks about the ways the PTB use to neutralize free-energy inventors, also referred to in the latest Camelot interview with Wade Frazier. The first thing they do Bearden explains there is that they make an in dept study of the person, a psychological profile and with that they know exactly how they best can manipulate and neutralize that researcher. Put a certain person in their life, bribe, use their pride or honesty; whatever serves the purpose. It is wise to be aware of this.

It is also wise to consider what Stewart Swerdlow recentlly said, that the PTB at the moment are putting out mindcontrol frequencies that stimulate anger and dispute.

I have to agree with most of this. St. Clair is worth listening to, as are the rest of the people you mention. For the record I've heard things for years about Beardon and Swerdlow being disinformation agents, so I put them in the same category as the rest. We shouldn't be surprised, but ought to suspect that these people are being set up to feud with each other. Knowing this, they (and us) need to rise over such low frequency interference if we're going to evolve as we need to be doing.

I don't think B and K are parenting their audience, but they're taking St. Clair personally. Why should he have to support their paradigm in order to present his own through an interview with them? It doesn't help anyone for PC to present a researcher in a "futuretalk" interview and then delete the conversation because of hurt feelings...though I do understand that there may be more going on there. A little more light on that subject might help.

I've watched the Peggy Kane videos, but I'm still not buying into her. She's interesting, and I certainly wouldn't say there's nothing to it, but instead of only demonstrating the RS blurbs that back up her program, it would be nice to see something a little more scientific that demonstrates how it doesn't always work, and sometimes gives the opposite of the expected result...which has to be the case.

[tone3jaguar]

The interviews with St. Claire are still up on You Tube. They just removed the link to the interviews from the Camelot site. I would do the same thing if some one where trying to infer to people that I was a CIA operative. If St. Claire actually believes that then he may have been hacked by spiritual mind control. That is going on a lot around the world lately. The entities responsible for this are throwing their hail Marry's because they know it is almost the end of the season and their super bowl is on the line. They are behind and there are only a few seconds left. They are desperate.

[franciejones]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

The interviews with St. Claire are still up on You Tube. They just removed the link to the interviews from the Camelot site. I would do the same thing if some one where trying to infer to people that I was a CIA operative. If St. Claire actually believes that then he may have been hacked by spiritual mind control. That is going on a lot around the world lately. The entities responsible for this are throwing their hail Marry's because they know it is almost the end of the season and their super bowl is on the line. They are behind and there are only a few seconds left. They are desperate.

Wrong- I was just on You Tube and the Future Talk 2 with St. Claire is removed by user.

[Sarahmay]

St. Clair is an elitist STS ass****, and it was beautiful the way he revealed his true nature.

Thank you Bill and Kerry for addressing it.

[alyscat]

I know that St. Clair was upset back when Avalon had it's lock down and the Camelot threads were locked and some were "moved to the back temporarily" and he couldn't find certain information. He has mentioned that publicly. That was the point where he set up his own site.

I listened to the Clif High conversation and the funny thing is that I missed the handler comment. I must have taken it as Bill makes the decisions about what they're going to do in their business relationships, or even that their personal relationship was one in which Bill sort of called the shots. I didn't even twig to a more nefarious meaning. Maybe I'm naive.

I tend to watch all this play out (like the dance of the shakti) - and find myself in an "ahum space," too.

We're in a massively shifting time. Everyone is on edge. I think we'll find more and more "disagreement" going on as the energies swirl. No one has asked me for my advice, but I'm going to give it. Hold onto your own centers. Become observers. START YOUR DARN GARDENS! <G>

love to all my fellow travelers
alys

Likewise. I caught the part 1h20m in where they were discussing Burisch and Camelot was mentioned, but having listened twice to that section the handler reference isn't there.

Has it been edited?

[franciejones]

Originally Posted by Steve_G

Likewise. I caught the part 1h20m in where they were discussing Burisch and Camelot was mentioned, but having listened twice to that section the handler reference isn't there.

Has it been edited?

I believe it has been edited.

Thanks Francie.

[Sarahmay]

Interesting that the comment was deleted...covering the tracks. I heard it on my download.

I bought his book Light-Seeds, and found it to be an incomprehensible mish-mash, very poorly edited. That was my first clue about St. Clair.

[franciejones]

It was admittedly edited...I do not think it was sinister.....since it was admitted.

[Argante]

This is the first I have heard about this situation, and I have a couple of thoughts to convey...

The first worry I have is for Boriska. St. Clair's interest in the boy has always been a concern of mine as I have always sensed great danger and darkness for Boriska coming from St. Clair.

Secondly, St. Clair's ideal of "Not only Survive... but Thrive" has always caused me concern. That he is planning to make money off of those who survive a NWO orchestrated depopulation scenario is sickening.

Third, of course he does not approve of Kerry. She is a strong-willed, walks-tall woman who does not take **** from anyone. I bet she makes his little lizard knees shake in fear when he is near her... lol

St. Clair lost a good amount of hard work he put into Avalon when HD erased all of our back-up Camelot Witness areas. I felt very bad about that, and in a way responsible because I could not convince Bill that HD was trying to destroy Avalon. This is also when we lost John Lear due to HD being a troublemaker. John Lear would have been a huge draw for Avalon, and Project Camelot alike. To this very day, I feel B&K still hold a grudge against me for telling them the truth about St. Clair and HD. I doubt they will ever admit that I was right.... instead I was attacked and labeled a traitor to Avalon for trying to protect her.

I still admire B&K for what they do, and are doing. They just ran into a couple of smooth talking con-men who have derailed them for awhile. Make no doubt about it... they will be back stronger, smarter, and deeper than ever once they loose their ties to the bad karma boys (HD and St. Clair)

I assume this post will be censored... so copy and paste if you want to keep it.

Brightest of Blessings to all...

[Myplanet2]

That's some pretty wild speculation. I don't see any of it.

Originally Posted by Argante

This is the first I have heard about this situation, and I have a couple of thoughts to convey...

The first worry I have is for Boriska. St. Clair's interest in the boy has always been a concern of mine as I have always sensed great danger and darkness for Boriska coming from St. Clair.

Secondly, St. Clair's ideal of "Not only Survive... but Thrive" has always caused me concern. That he is planning to make money off of those who survive a NWO orchestrated depopulation scenario is sickening.

Third, of course he does not approve of Kerry. She is a strong-willed, walks-tall woman who does not take **** from anyone. I bet she makes his little lizard knees shake in fear when he is near her... lol

St. Clair lost a good amount of hard work he put into Avalon when HD erased all of our back-up Camelot Witness areas. I felt very bad about that, and in a way responsible because I could not convince Bill that HD was trying to destroy Avalon. This is also when we lost John Lear due to HD being a troublemaker. John Lear would have been a huge draw for Avalon, and Project Camelot alike. To this very day, I feel B&K still hold a grudge against me for telling them the truth about St. Clair and HD. I doubt they will ever admit that I was right.... instead I was attacked and labeled a traitor to Avalon for trying to protect her.

I still admire B&K for what they do, and are doing. They just ran into a couple of smooth talking con-men who have derailed them for awhile. Make no doubt about it... they will be back stronger, smarter, and deeper than ever once they loose their ties to the bad karma boys (HD and St. Clair)

I assume this post will be censored... so copy and paste if you want to keep it.

Brightest of Blessings to all...

[Argante]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

That's some pretty wild speculation. I don't see any of it.

Not speculation... I was here and witnessed it first hand as a Super Moderator. I was able to trace the IP's, and saw what HD said in Mod Chat and on the board before he wiped everything clean. You don't see any of it because all those posts and information were censored or removed. It is far easier to attack me or my recollection of events than it is to go after HD or St. Clair.

[Myplanet2]

Well, sorry, but you are speculating and misremembering. I was there too. HD removed his own subforum. I don't believe that had anything to do with the problem that resulted in all of that lost data in the rest of the witness subforums. I seem to recall that was a forum/hosting problem, not an act of sabotage.

Your comments about Boriska being in danger from St Clair seems not to connect anywhere either. appears to be speculation as well.

An where do you get St Clair disapproving of Kerry? He said today on his forum that he and Kerry are friends.

And where do you get that B&K have a grudge against you? If I might do a little wild speculating of my own, I'd guess you don't come up with them much at all, but just as with your comments, I have no reason outside my imagination for thinking that.

Originally Posted by Argante

Not speculation... I was here and witnessed it first hand as a Super Moderator. I was able to trace the IP's, and saw what HD said in Mod Chat and on the board before he wiped everything clean. You don't see any of it because all those posts and information were censored or removed. It is far easier to attack me or my recollection of events than it is to go after HD or St. Clair.

[Steve_A]

Hi Myplanet2,

I was there too and I remember very well why, at that time under another name, Argante was asked to leave.

I will not be drawn into arguing the toss, but I think I can safely say that it was because she betrayed the very principal when dealing with this sort of forum..... trust.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

Well, sorry, but you are speculating and misremembering. I was there too. HD removed his own subforum. I don't believe that had anything to do with the problem that resulted in all of that lost data in the rest of the witness subforums. I seem to recall that was a forum/hosting problem, not an act of sabotage.

Your comments about Boriska being in danger from St Clair seems not to connect anywhere either. appears to be speculation as well.

An where do you get St Clair disapproving of Kerry? He said today on his forum that he and Kerry are friends.

And where do you get that B&K have a grudge against you? If I might do a little wild speculating of my own, I'd guess you don't come up with them much at all, but just as with your comments, I have no reason outside my imagination for thinking that.

[Argante]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi Myplanet2,

I was there too and I remember very well why, at that time under another name, Argante was asked to leave.

I will not be drawn into arguing the toss, but I think I can safely say that it was because she betrayed the very principal when dealing with this sort of forum..... trust.

Best regards,

Steve

I agree Steve... it was a breach of trust to B&K, but I was trying to protect Avalon in whatever way I could. I also understand why you do not want to bring up what I did... because of what it says about the spirit of Avalon that was crushed because of HD's involvement in 9-11. Here we are trying to save the world... and one of our own was directly involved in the actions that resulted in the largest attack on American soil in our lifetime. Outright murder of innocent people in the name of the NWO.

Keep protecting HD from the truth of his actions. Make him out to be some kind of saviour of mankind when he is really a Babylon Boy who chose a career in which he could destroy humanity if given the chance.

How can you have a website about LOVE, TRUTH and saving mankind.... when you protect the very men who would see us all dead?

I know what I did was wrong in the eyes of many here.... but what I did I did out of love for my fellow man. I did not try to hide it... I told other moderators here immediately, and notified B&K asap.

HD and St. Clair are bad karma. I did what I could to protect Avalon and her members from their lies.

What's your excuse?

[Steve_A]

Hi Argante,

Once again I don't want to be drawn into an argument.

First of all you couldn't be sure if HD was HD, just as you don't know who I say I am.

I cannot be held responsible for what a person posts on the web.

I'm sure, however, you realized that George Bush was partly responsible, as was Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld and the twin towers owner (I can't remember his name). Have you done anyhting about that?

Also I imagine that you must have continued to press even civil charges against HD at the very least, after all you had a confession for goodness sake.

Did you do any of those things as a concerned patriot, or did you just mouth off a short while and then blend back in with the population.

Before you ask me if I fight against governments, I can proudly say yes, where I am here in Brazil: http://www3.trf5.jus.br/ Process number: 2005.83.00.010436-8

So as you can see, I do stand up to the big boys, when I have the evidence to prove the point, but I'm also extremely loyal to a cause I support.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by Argante

I agree Steve... it was a breach of trust to B&K, but I was trying to protect Avalon in whatever way I could. I also understand why you do not want to bring up what I did... because of what it says about the spirit of Avalon that was crushed because of HD's involvement in 9-11. Here we are trying to save the world... and one of our own was directly involved in the actions that resulted in the largest attack on American soil in our lifetime. Outright murder of innocent people in the name of the NWO.

[recallone]

Too much ego. Period.

The riff that's been announced between St.Clair and Kerry/Bill/Camelot is a result of ego. I've watched many interviews on Camelot and I've seen a number of examples that nod to Kerry's ego. St.Clair's ego is also quite prominent. I tried to read Light Seeds, but I couldn't bear wading through his ego to get to 'the good stuff' that other people were talking about. But I don't put either one of them on a pedestal or consider one of them more advanced than another. They're just different.

I had a feeling that something like this would eventually happen, and I don't have any desire whatsoever to say one or the other is at fault for their conduct. Just as anyone's testimony should be tossed into the same bin of 'stuff' without assigning it a label of right, wrong, disinformation, comprimised, etc...so should this episode between St. Clair and Kerry (& Bill, Camelot, whatever). Everyone jumping in with their announced "side" is more of the same division that's been poisoning us! Who gives a $hit, really?!

I don't see how this scene can be used to back up Peggy's little hobby, nor how it deserves the exhumation of early Avalon moderator problems. More ego to say "I'm right, you're wrong". It happened. There it is. Let it go. Throwing more flammables into the mix isn't serving any of us on a collective level, but slipping back into the programming of yesteryear that intentionally divides us.

If your two best friends get into a fight, do you pick one to side with? Or do you keep your mouth shut and let them come to their senses and apologize for saying things they really didn't mean to begin with? People say mean things when they're mad. People exaggerate to make their point when they're mad. Forgive people for being people, I say. Let he who is without fault be the first to cast a stone.

[tone3jaguar]

"HD and St. Clair are bad karma"

Judging others as having bad karma is like blending fundamental Christianity with Buddhism. So and so should not be here because they have bad karma? I guess you are the Karma police. Last I heard the universe takes care of that.

[Phtha]

Originally Posted by recallone

I've watched many interviews on Camelot and I've seen a number of examples that nod to Kerry's ego. St.Clair's ego is also quite prominent.

The difference though is that Kerry is here to teach and learn with all of us. St.Clair pretends he is some enlightened being here to save anyone who will follow his ways, and give him money. Kerry (and Bill of course) offer what they do for free, even at great cost to their personal savings, they don't sell their videos at project camelot, nor do they preach to people about what they have learned. They want to get the word out first rather then rich first. Even at the cost of ridicule, which is destined to follow anyone who puts themselves in the public spectrum, more so when dealing with subjects that camelot does.

All these actions concerning Bill and Kerry are to me, a very non egocentric way to do things.