Re: Tsarion, Rose Croix, Gnostics and New Age, all connected..?

I found this reposted from the archive of a forum I frequent. This is not an attempt at smearing anyone, in fact, the guy who originally wrote the post champions Tsarion at the start and finish of the post.

The spelling and grammar are pretty loose, and some of the links are now dead - notably Tsarions bio.

A couple of things are clearly wrong. He says Tara Singh, who is Tsarions Grandfather, wrote A Course In Miracles, but he didn't, he only wrote 'companion' and 'study' books for it.

I thought it was a good read anyway..

Originally Posted by TruSouljah

well fellas this one will be quiet the controversial kinda thread ..
opinions are more than welcome but i do wanna make clear that commenting without READING ALL THE INFO i'll present here will result in me ranting all day long.. (fup)

first off, its not all bout Tsarion, he was just the starting point of an imo very interesting trip of revelations.. ho ho ye sounds mystic but is pretty much straight forward, so take ya time lean back and smoke a big one..

and i wanna repeat that i love this guy, and if its just for the brilliant symbo research he does/did .. COTM did say it in a nice way ..

''Tsarion like David Icke BUT cool''.. btw i found the King's a good poet, ye no Pepe but good..so propz to the King..

ok where to start..? ah ye its like all research, means you have to read it all to get the big picture, so PLZ do it.. like i said Tsarion was the starting point or lets say HIS bio on HIS site..
http://www.taroscopes.com/personalpa...ismichael.html

first i wanna show how everyone named there is Elite as for Bloodline, secret society, celebrety or academic.. or simply all together.. and they all are part of a Network or operate within this network wich of course is Brotherhood controlled, even part of it.. yep just another face on the 7 headed dragon.. called Rose Croix.. reformation whatever, its the countermovement the artists and Gnostics , new agers and healers its all the good peopz who talk fancy stuff all day long and who are out to awake and educate us.. or could it be a bit different than it first meets the eye..? so lets start with tsarions family, friends and specially MENTORS..

Shirley MacLaine
http://www.answers.com/topic/shirley-maclaine

Ed Mitchell
http://www.edmitchellapollo14.com/

Le Corbusier ( who was one of the architects of the UN HQ !!!)
http://www.greatbuildings.com/buildi...adquarter.html


keith critchlow who just loves Baba ..
http://www.saibaba.ws/experiences/keithcritchlow.htm

Critchow who worked at the PRINCE OF WALES INSTITUTE !!
or how about his new job..?
http://app.infoaa.7700.gnb.ca/gnb/pu...724&DeptID1=77

Lets talk bout BABA for a minute..

he too talks the fancy stuff or shall i say vomit since i cant hear it anymore..!!


does this look like a Brotherhood front or what..?
http://www.sathyasai-se.org/org.gif
http://www.sathyasai-se.org/org.htm
and how spiritual he lives !! really basic ..what a role model !
http://www.meditationclub.com/page01.htm
http://www.sathyasai.org/images/chariot.jpg <-- have a look
thats what Ex-followers ahve to say bout the living ''god'' Sai Baba
http://www.exbaba.com/

also have a look at his LOGO


one world religion brought to you by the ROSE CROIX !!




Barbara Maxx Hubbard
http://www.barbaramarxhubbard.com//P...Home/index.cfm

Alan Chadwick
http://www.learningtogive.org/papers/index.asp?bpid=188

President Nehru
http://usembassy.state.gov/posts/in1...janfeb067.html

Miss Roosevelt
http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/firstladies/ar32.html
no need to talk bout the roosevelts..

Edgar Mitchell
http://www.theosophical.org/resource...deo/index.html
recomended by the Theosophical society, like krishnamurti, sai Baba, Daila Lama etc.. the whole gang of ''spiritual'' teachers.. or the squad of the one world religion team ..! the Theosophical Society was founded by Blavatsky btw.. who claimed to be in contact with the hidden masters..like crowley did or good ol Hitler..


Kubler Ross
http://www.psy.pdx.edu/PsiCafe/KeyTh...KublerRoss.htm

she talks alot of things i vibe with.. but when you look at sai baba speeches you'll note he too says alot of things i vibe with.. i mean overuse the word love and freedom and self empowering and pretty much everyone will vibe with it.. thats the idea ffs.. check her site there some sublime hints that she's rose-croix.. like the zues statue (rose croix are big time into greek gods) also check her icons.. rose Croix as you'll see shortly.. for now be sceptic but keep on reading..


Jerry Jampolsky
Gerald Jampolsky, M.D. is a psychiatrist, formerly on the faculty of the University of California Medical Center in San Francisco. He is the founder of the Center for Attitudinal Healing in Sausalito, California, and a fellow of the American Psychiatric Association. Jerry Jampolsky's writings have been largely inspired by A Course in Miracles. He currently lectures and writes with his wife, psychologist Diane Cirincione.

A Course in Miracles was written by Tara Singh - Tsarions grandfather
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tara_Singh_Hayer
wasnt his only book tho
http://www.alibris.com/search/search...h=Tara%20Singh

he received alot of honours one of them called the Order of British Columbia. he was an artist and author even an activist, as ya will see that alone speaks for him beeing Rose Croix.. as does the fact that peopz close to him were and that Tsarion IS Rosicrucian ..

not saying he was a bad person, infact he did **** the elite off on a few occasions but he also did things that pleased the elite, hence the honours.


J. Krishnamurti

Krishnamurti, Jiddu (b. May 12, 1895, Madanapalle, Andhra Pradesh, India, d. February 18, 1986, Ojai, California) born of middle-class Brahmin parents, was recognized at age fourteen by the Theosophists Annie Besant and C.W. Leadbeater as the coming World Teacher and proclaimed to be the vehicle for the reincarnation of Christ in the West and of Buddha in the East. Mrs. Besant adopted the boy and took him to England, where he was educated and prepared for his coming role. (or programmed?)

He was made head of her newly formed worldwide religious organization, the Order of the Star in the East in 1911, but in 1929 after many years of questioning himself, he dissolved the Order, repudiated its claims and returned all the assets given to him for its purpose.Out of his own spiritual "process" experienced from 1922 onwards, he declared:


Truth is a pathless land and you cannot approach it by any path whatsoever, by any religion, by any sect. Truth, being limitless, unconditioned, unapproachable by any path whatsoever, cannot be organized; nor should any organization be formed to lead or to coerce people along any particular path. My only concern is to set humanity absolutely, unconditionally free. Man cannot come to it through any organization, through any creed, through any dogma, priest or ritual, not through any philosophic knowledge or psychological technique. He has to find it through the understanding of the contents of his own mind, through observation and not through intellectual analysis or introspective dissection.

In 1984 he spoke to nuclear scientists at the National Laboratory Research Center at Los Alamos, New Mexico, U.S.A. David Bohm Ph.D., the quantum physicist and friend of Einstein, recognized in Krishnamurti`s teachings parallels with his own revolutionary theories of physics. This led to many years of dialogue between the two men, which helped form a bridge between so-called mysticism and science. Other scientists found his discussions of time, thought and death to be thought provoking.

He established foundations in India, Europe and the United States with the defined role of protecting the teachings from being distorted and of disseminating his work,
http://www.kfionline.org/foundation/...ionsabroad.asp
http://www.theschoolkfi.org/curriculum/eleven.asp
btw the Krishnamurti foundation is managed by white boys ! wonder what that tells us..
http://www.kfa.org/student_directornote.php?valid=[ss11]

again listen to what he says and you just can vibe with him, but imo hes part of the network bringing you the great truth of DONT BOTHER WITH THE OUTSIDE WORLD (Illumies) and JUST look inside you cause thats the ONLY way to change the mess.. ye or to be passive while the NWO kicks in.. the WORLD TEACHER .. why does the ADL dont **** with him, why do the illumies dont try to frame, kill or at least character assassinate him?
i mean he even has his own academies and s***.. that should make you think..


Sir George Trevelyan

During his younger years, however, Trevelyan had been an agnostic, committed to the rational, analytical view that man is a mere collocation of atoms a chance happening in a random universe. Perhaps it is hard to believe that someone who embodied so many spiritual aspirations could have held on to such a materialist view for so long, but this view was deeply entrenched in his family. His uncle, the historian George Macaulay Trevelyan, was an aggressive agnostic, as was his father, an MP who served in two Labour Cabinets.

http://www.sirgeorgetrevelyan.org.uk/obit-times.html
At Trinity College, Cambridge, where Trevelyan read history, he succeeded his father as Master of the Lake Hunt, otherwise known as the Trevelyan Man Hunt –

another elite boy..

David Singer
http://www.davidsinger.com/Pages/D_bios.htm
check his site --> http://www.davidsinger.com/


now lets get down to his mentors;

Michael was born and raised in Ireland and grew up learning metaphysics from Krishnamurti, Rev. Paul Solomon and Peter Balin. Growing up surrounded by leading free-thinkers and mystery school creators he was under pressure to find his own authentic voice rather than becoming dependant on the systems and influences of others. He has honored his pedigree by dedicating his life to the deepest research concerning the seminal metaphysical sciences. And unlike so many, he believes in honoring the work and the names of his mentors.

Intuitive since birth, he was introduced to the Tarot at age 11 through Rev. Paul Solomon’s premier mystery school - the Fellowship of Inner Light Movement and learning of its profound effect on the human intuition and its value as an empowerment tool, committed his life to bringing Tarot into the lives of others.

He has been affiliated with the Paul Solomon Foundation of Virginia, the Rosicrucian Order, the Naqsbaandi Sufi Order, and has taught indigo children at the New Age Academy in Berkeley, and is frequent guest of Seeing Beyond and KEST, the Bay Area's leading metaphysical radio programs.

ok lets start with Balin,

Balin Tarot
http://www.advancenet.net/jscole/tarotrwsclone.htm
Author: Balin, P.
Publisher: Arca
Guide to the Xultun (Mayan) Tarot Deck. Peter Balin, the painter of the Xultun Tarot deck, has written a book about the Tarot and the Maya Indians' view of the world. This is a very relevant book that deals with the problems of our times. Although the approach is new and deals with American knowledge, it will serve all Tarot decks regardless of their origin. The reader journeys with the Fool towards the impeccability of the sorcerer, with each step along the way clearly defined. The graphics alone are so spellbinding that even if you are not interested in the Mayas or the Tarot, there is something in this book for you.(O)
http://www.transitionsbookplace.com/...roduct_Count=7

its obvious where Michael learned the Tarot from.. nothing suspicious so far but for the common sense reasoning that all this knowledge comes from the Brotherhood network, specially from the Rose Croix .. they just call it the Mystery schools.. ye right they're all independent and teach the truth despite the brotherhood efforts to prevent that.. or do they..?
well lets see.. but first lets have a look at Solomon, big time Mentor of Tsarion and Michael still pushes Solomons info, so to suggest a break up would be well wrong..


Paul Solomon

check his bio its Elite from start to finish.. ah and he too his pushing the inner light fancy stuff... looks like a network, Global and fast growing aswell.. and if you look at the structure its pure brotherhood..
http://www.paulsolomon.com/page2.html
http://www.paulsolomon.com/page17.html
he recomends Tsarion whom he calls a Master Soul.. ah btw Solomon was a META-Human ya see..
wait go and read bout Baba, Krishnamurti ,Solomon and ye even Tsarion they're all better Humans than we are, they're the Masters who bring us the Truth.. funny how they get all that money for setting up a WORLD WIDE NETWORK of schools, temples etc.. i do wonder where they get it from PLUS where they get their ''Knowledge'' from.. couldnt have something to do with their elite upbringing..? they all got ''educated'' from a very young age onwards.. you may wanna read springmeiers deeper insights..ye i know he doesnt write tha fancy stuff but his info might help to understand some things.. ;-)

anyway check the Logo of the Paul Solomon Foundation..


hmmm... any similaritys?


do i see a Lamp there..? well lets better look into the Assassins and how they too connect with the Rose Croix.. symbols dont lie btw..ask tsarion

read that link it also makes the SUFI connection, wait didnt tsarion be affiliated with Rose croix and SUFIS ..?? ye of course he is since its the same thing really..
http://www.orderofthegrail.org/islamic_origin_rose+.htm
also makes the Lamp connection
http://pages.globetrotter.net/mleblank/wt/symboles.html

and imo you dont even need to check the logo to see that the Rose Croix stands behind Solomon AND his foundation, all you have to do is read some books written by rosicrucians for rosecrucians..very very interesting, lets say if i would put the name Tsarion on it most of the forum would vibe with it.. but you'll can see that for yaself soon..

btw Michael's articles on metaphysics, etc., are featured in his The High Window column of the Psychic Reader, the official organ of the Berkeley Psychic Institute in California

wait lets check the logo of Berkley shall we..?

http://www.berkeleypsychic.com/
OH just another coincidence, nothing to worry bout.. gnostics rocks !!

wait lets look into the founder of the berkeley aswell..
"God gave you the right to know yourself. What we find at the Berkeley Psychic Institute is Man's pursuit of his Grace. How does one find God's love if he doesn't know it inside his own divine being? As a spirit expresses himself through a body he finds that the total value of his body is reassesed and that it adds up to his personal Grace."
Vr. Rt. Rev. Dr. Lewis S. Bostwick

wow more fancy stuff.. btw he's founder of the Church of divine man, ready for a logo check..?
http://www.c-d-m.org/ haha you couldnt make it up.. what a BIG surprise its the Rose as for ROSICRUCIANS !! again ffs..

N-E-T-W-O-R-K anyone..?

another example ''the Church within''
rose on the cross ..

http://rosicrucianlight.tripod.com/
check that link and see for ya self how many of these New agers, gnostics and Love and inner light peopz are connected to the Rose Croix..
Rudolph Steiner aswell.. and look into him and you'll see the same modus operandi, a SCHOOL NETWORK and beeing midly opposed by the system
the letter is the old come on we give em a bit of credibility and ''oppose'' em trick.. same thing different names and characters for a different audience. same agenda tho..
ever heard the word controlled opposition..?
it somehow comes to mind, or of course the Rose Croix is a good organization somehow outside of the brotherhood network..
sorry to say so but NO and i will make this very clear..

a little foretaste:
Perhaps the best explanation is that proposed by Colin Wilson in his preface to the book on Rosicrucians by Christopher McIntosh:

“This [human desire to turn inward to a world of truth that he feels resides in his own depths], I believe, explains why Rosicrucianism has continued to exert its grip on the Western mind. It is not because we are hopelessly gullible, or because we would like to believe in absurd fantasies. In a legend like that of Christian Rosenkreuz , we seem to catch a glimpse of what we ought to be, and what we could be”.

Conclusion

The Scottish Rite, by offering the Rose-Croix degree to its members, is only opening a door. Not everybody will profit from the opportunity to go through it and delve into this field of study. What matters is that the opportunity exists. This, after all, is the Masonic method and the philosophy of our Orden in all its structures: we put the tools in the hands of the brother and let him labor according to his capacity and development. Without compulsion, without prize, except for the progress to a further degree, which will present new challenges.


anyway lets look into the SUFI order a bit.. another NETWORK
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naqshbandi
http://www.nurmuhammad.com/
http://www.sufism.20m.com/sufi.htm
http://www.nuradeen.com/Reflections/...sOfSufism3.htm
count the stripes in the last one.. ye 13, man i just find it funny by now obssessed ********..

way of the heart, Spirituell masters bla bla same old talk.. i really cant hear it anymore..not from all this massive organizations who are part of the Brotherhood, people have to look behind rethoric ffs the ''devil'' is the master of words.
lets have a look at their symbol then..

http://www.nwsuficamp.org/hrlinks.htm

oh wait, i think i have seen that one before;


read through this site also note the similar symbol
http://www.rosicrucian.org/park/index.html


thats tsarions banner btw


a famous symbol affiliated with the Rose Croix

http://www.lifetechnology.org/rosicrucian.htm

also after asked if he's a member he didnt answer but said that this is a private thingy.. ye or he cant tell you straight away because of his Oath..
possible.. and if he wouldnt be than he would just say nah i was affiliated with em but i left ..or something like that..

anyway you'll find the Symbol on his banner also used in the Order of the Golden Dawn and in O.T.O ... why is that..?


the hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn
uh.. Rose Croix..? couldnt be could it..?

well sceptics have a look here, they dont even hide it.. also note the icons
http://www.hermeticgoldendawn.org/index.shtml
the rose croix and the red blue triangles..



now to O.T.O
read a bit through it they also think Gnostics rock !! hey nice fellas !!
http://www.scarletwoman.org/aboutus_oto.html

from that site:
The O.T.O. was not founded by Aleister Crowley, as many would believe, but by an Austrian paper chemist, Carl Kellner.

well Kellner was at least close to the Rosecrucians..
http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/kellner.htm

and like the Rose Croix they're into Gnostics, Art etc etc ..
check out some O.T.O artwork here
http://bizzart.org/gallery/GALLERY.html

http://oto-usa.org/library.html
note the painting, see the snake around the egg..?
well here ya go again..
http://www.taroscopes.com/personalpa...ctmichael.html

doesnt he quote from crowleys book of the law on his blog..?

O.T.O and the Gnostic again..
http://www.otoaustralia.org.au/main.htm


btw just found that one, another artist who likes blue and red triangles. ;-)


another artist
http://lyon.rose-croix-d-or.org/

they are a bit sceptic of the Rosicrucians involvement with art..
http://www.lilithgallery.com/arthist...rosecroix.html

here some wine.. a typical bloodline thingy and also really cultivated and Gnostic like the Rosicrucians.. lol ok im a bit sarcastic now, i dont wanna bash Gnostics, how could i since theres alot of truth to find in it BUT it comes from the brotherhood and they are too happy to teach u bout it.. i ask WHY?
http://www.domaine-berge-de-sainte-rose.com/
the name the cross(just scroll up in case you cant remember) its pretty obvious imo.. that shall show you guys that these peopz are the leading Artists, Scholars, New Age Gurus(or imo handler of em), Gnostic teachers, Druids, Tarot, etc etc.. these peopz are elite too and they do work for the agenda wich you can see in the ZERO opposition these peopz face..
lets have a check on Icke debunk sites if you want some proportions..

tarots, Druids, Rose Croix
http://tarot.amateur.free.fr/Liens.htm

READ THIS:

About the Rosicrucian Order, AMORC

The Rosicrucian Order, AMORC, is internationally known as the Ancient Mystical Order Rosae Crucis. We are a nonsectarian body of men and women devoted to the investigation, study and practical application of natural and spiritual laws. Our purpose is to further the evolution of humanity through the development of the full potential of each individual. Our goal is to enable everyone to live in harmony with creative, cosmic forces for the attainment of health, happiness, and peace.

To assist in this attainment, the Rosicrucian Order offers the world's foremost system of instruction and guidance for exploring the inner self and discovering the universal laws that govern all human endeavor. It is based on the collective ancient wisdom and current knowledge of many of the world's most respected philosophers, artists and scientists.

Our teachings include specific knowledge of metaphysics, mysticism, psychology, parapsychology and science not taught by conventional educational systems or traditional religions. This profound wisdom, carefully preserved by mystery schools for centuries, is transmitted today through the Rosicrucian Order to every sincere person with an open mind and a positive motive.

We do not propose a belief system, nor a dogmatic decree, but a personal, practical approach to living that each student must learn and master through their own experiences. Our teachings do not attempt to dictate what you should think -- we want you to think for yourself. What we provide are simply the tools to enable you to accomplish this.

The Rosicrucian Order consists of thousands of men and women in over 100 countries throughout the world. To reach such a diverse membership, AMORC is divided, by language, into jurisdictions called Grand Lodges.

http://www.amorc.org/

wow how fancy is that !! vibepoints 9/10 !! lets all join the ROSE CROIX!!
viva la reformation!!!

talking bout reformation, i noticed that the new Anti NWO logo is that reversed pyramid with a man standing on top of it right..? i cant find it now but im sure i'll find it sooner or later.. some peopz use it as avatar..
it does look remarkably like this one




and where do you find this..? at the Rennes-le-Chateau ! wait was the Chateau not connected with the Knights Templar but specially with the Prieure de Sion..? yep thats and wait for this one..


the Order de Rose Croix is nothing else than the Prieure de Sion !!
and who brought us the renaissance ? who were the leading ''free'' thinkers, Artists and scholars of the old days..? Nosdradamus, Newton, DaVinci, Gogh, etc.. all connected to the Prieure and various other orders..!! SAME OLD GAME JUST DIFFERENT NAMES !!

check this one
http://www.renneslechateau.com/
B é r e n g e r S a u n i è r is the last known grandmaster of the Prieure and what you see on the site..? the same cross used by the Rosicrucians.

another clue is the word ORMUS
http://www.antiqillum.com/texts/bg/Qadosh/qadosh072.htm

The Prieure du Notre Dame du Sion, or Priory of Zion, is said to be the cabal behind many of the events that occurred at Rennes-le-Chateau. According to the Prieure's own documents, its history is long and convoluted. Its earliest roots are in some sort of Hermetic or Gnostic society led by a man named Ormus. This individual is said to have reconciled paganism and Christianity. The story of Sion only comes into focus in the Middle Ages.

In 1070, a group of monks from Calabria, Italy, led by one Prince Ursus, founded the Abbey of Orval in France near Stenay, in the Ardennes.
http://www.crystalinks.com/prieuredesion.html

or
How their story fits into everything would take to long to tell at this point. At that time period when the Knights Templars took off on their own, the Ordre de Sion became the Prieure de Sion, and also used the names Ormus and Rose-Croix, The Prieure de Sion is intimately connected to the creation and guidance of the Rosicrucian's and Freemasons. In the Be Wise As Serpents book, chapter 12 it talks about how the Prieure de Sion set up the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry.
http://www.whale.to/b/prieure_de_sion.html

here you'll find a memberlist but dont believe for a second its complete, still you get the drift, wich is Bloodliners and peopz who shaped the world..

btw John Dee? Rose Croix..
read this link.. probably the best of em all..!
http://www.crystalinks.com/rosicrucian.html

some gems:

It generally is associated with the symbol of the Rose Cross, which is also found in certain rituals beyond "Craft" or "Blue Lodge" Freemasonry.

The Rosicrucian Order is viewed among earlier and many modern Rosicrucianists as an inner worlds Order, comprised of great "Adepts."

When compared to human beings, the consciousness of these Adepts is like that of demi-gods. Meta Human anyone..? Master Soul ..?
Ascendet Master ..? damn fellas the CLUES are all over the place..

anyway on it goes

According to a lesser known legend found in Masonic literature, the Rosicrucian Order was created in year 46 when an Alexandrian Gnostic sage named Ormus and his six followers were converted by one of Jesus' disciples, Mark. From this conversion, Rosicrucianism was born by fusing early Christianity with Egyptian mysteries. By this account, rather than being its founder, Rosenkreuz would have been initiated into and become the Grand Master of an already existing Order.

no i dont believe jesus has something to do with it but i still believe that to be more accurate than the Rosenkreuz Story.. or fairy tale how ever you wanna call it..

Their doctrine had its source in the study of the ancient Greek philosophers, but it became more pronounced in a neo-Pythagorean direction.

They adopted the Pythagorean tradition of envisioning objects and ideas in terms of their numeric aspects. Their theurgy taught the divine and angelic names, conjurations, the Kabbalah, exorcisms, and other related subjects.

The "Brethren of Purity" and the Sufis were united in many points of doctrine. They both were mystical orders deriving from Koranic theology, where dogma is supplanted by faith in the "Divine Reality." Many similarities with the Rosicrucian way were expressed in the manifestos and the "Brethen of Purity" ways of life as well.

sufi connection again but more interesting the Kabbalah !! the Prieure were known for teaching but specially using the Kabbalah ..

also a very good link http://www.fiu.edu/~mizrachs/poseur3.html

have a look at the Rose Museum in California..
http://www.control.hut.fi/Hasu/Kuvia...7-0761_IMG.JPG

a Egypt connection is quiet obvious..
here is more --> http://www.control.hut.fi/Hasu/Kuvia/Kalifornia/3.17/

and another example wich just popped up and makes the Gnostic - Rose Croix connection.. http://gnostique.net/jabberchat/

it really is everywhere ..!

White Rose another code for Rose Croix



or even more obvious

http://whiterose.co.uk.tripod.com/



also Manly P Hall the 33 degree Mason and another shootingstar of lately..

recomended by Tsarion and AMORC ! in nice company btw..

"Manly P. Hall~ The Secret Teachings of All Ages;

Max Heindel~ The Rosicrucian Cosmo Conception;

Aldous Huxley ~ The Perennial Philosophy;

Eliphas Levi~ The History of Magic;

Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine;

The Egyptian Book of the Dead; Walter Scott~ Hermetica;

Mercea Eliade~ Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy; Gershom Scholem ~ On the Kabbalah and It's Symbolism;

Dionne Fortune ~ Mystical Qaballah;

Rudolph Steiner~ Christianity as a Mystical Fact & Occult Mysteries of Antiquity, which "describes...the true, esoteric Christianity, kept alive by heretical groups like the Bogomils and Albigensians."
http://www.seekgod.ca/cosmic.htm

truth brought to you by the Brotherhood peopz.. **** it Gnostic Rocks !!

Tsarions own words
...My first major discoveries in the Tarot were made in the mid nineties, in California. After years of intense study, of philosophy, occultism, mythology, ancient religion, sacred geometry, Pythagorean mathematics, cosmology, alchemy, etymology and finally Astro-Theology, I became aware that the Divination Arts were all intimately connected and were taught as one subject in the days of old, not in the fragmented manner of today. In the late nineties I began giving classes in the Divination Arts with an emphasis on the Tarot. My classes were first held in Los Angeles and then in the San Francisco Bay Area. My mission is to bring these empowering arts into as many lives as possible on a grass roots level."

I come directly from the philosophical and metaphysical traditions. It is in my bloodline from many generations past. We would do well, therefore, to remember that though many can teach ancient subjects, few can teach them in the ancient way. And there is a difference - Michael Tsarion


- Peace -



PS: now comes the twist in the story, check out this quotes from Tsarions Blog:

At 16/3/06 12:11 AM, mtsar said...

To hell with all your damn swamis, gurus and krishnas...

Your on the wrong blog...

Dont send any more of this advertising for charlatans and god-whores, this is not a marketing website.

We are into TRUTH not escapism, and looking for god to escape who we are. Your lot have had your day, and you have left the world in the horrific condition it is. What has your Krishna done for the starving millions in India? Like the Christian Jesus, he'll be there to bury them when their dead.

I know you orange-robed b******* for what you are. You put a little ash on your foreheads, and orange string around your wrists, recite a few phrases of someone else's writings, sit in a yoga pose, and then go out and molest and abuse young boys and girls. You think I dont know?

Stand on your head, paint your ass orange, and believe what you like, just dont spread it here. This is a lie-free zone buddy.
At 16/3/06 12:52 AM, mtsar said...

HERE YA GO MR. HARE BLOODY KRISNA...SUCK ON THIS...

http://mitglied.lycos.de/gbc/isklinks.htm

http://neirr.org/Krishnaproblems.htm

rickross.com/reference/krishna/krishna40.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/788790.stm

AND THERE IS PLENTY MORE WHERE THIS CAME FROM...SAI BABA DOES HAVE ALL THE FUN YOU KNOW...


What is it that you do not understand?

I dont demean the "philosophy" at all, and have learned a great deal from the Vedas, and so on. But firstly, these books are not totally proven to be "Hindu" - a vague term if ever there was one. And learning religious and spiritual histories does not mean that I am a member or convert to them. Learning about something can be done neutrally. I have a problems with the dogma peddlers, the Hindus and Brahmins who enslave others just becasue they believe them to be of "lowly birth" (whatever that means) and the charlatans that molest their wards UNDER THE PRETEXT OF RELIGION AND SPIRITUALITY....

When Sai Baba is fondling the penis of a new male convert because it is "god's sacred massage" I want that person exposed and taken out. And when the same ******* is ******* children, I want him dead. Get it? When monkey's ass "Kriyananda" (Donald Walters) says that he is a protege of Yogananda and then gets girls to strip naked and give him "massages" so he can ejaculate over them, and say that it is all "sacred energy" I am not that eager to hear him quote the bloody scriptures, cause I want his head on a stake. It has nothing to do with me having a "bad day," as you say.

Of course the "devotees" are going to play it all down. That is to be expected. But I am not unfamiliar with all this, as you suggest and HAVE DONE MY HOMEWORK. I am more objective that you, because I don't belong. Period.

My vested interest in not my guru's reputation, but TRUTH.

So learn how to read. I did not demean the philosophy. Indeed, we were not even discussing that. I have reverence for all that man has written and created. I just don't like it when some lower-chakra ******* is using it for exploitation and personal aggrandizement. I despise such people and those who give them energy and praise. And I have seen it all - first hand.

Additionally, I personally know people that have been close to the Swami that you mention. And the reports aint good my dear. I cannot name the names for obvious reasons, but the reports just confirmed what I knew all along. And these reports come from the dearest of people, and are believed.

Oh, and by the way....If you see the Buddha on the road....kill him!!!

check the last one ! Tsarion is a bit touchy when it comes to gurus and such.. could it be because of his own upbringing and him working inside this system and therfor knowing its hypocrisis and shady ness..?
i beleive yes and i wanna add he ******* kicks ass !!

like David Icke BUT COOL !!

i also like this one:

At 16/3/06 3:36 PM, mtsar said...

Quote for the day...

A spiritualist is just a materialist behind a saffron robe.

oh yes, and one more:

Those who desire to end desire, are still caught in desire - Chuang Tzu

or that one

I have had over 20 years to observe Ananda, Zen, Buddhists, Vedantaists, Hare Krishnas, Sikhs, Hindus, Sufis, Muslims, and every other known sect practice and recruit and teach and so on; as well as lesser known orgs, and the standard Christian and New Age brew/crew. I have been personally affiliated with many of the great Mystery School teachers, so I know what I am talking about. I belong to none of them, but have objectively studied their various teachings and texts for decades. I listened to their teachings long and hard, and learned a great deal. Problem was that they taught me a lot that they were not aware of. I learned too much and too well. I also went to the roots of all these religions to find out where they actually originated and what the original tenets were. That is a long story, but safe it is to say, that little of that true ancient Tantric teaching remains in any of these hegemonic patristic jive that now passes for othodox religion.

basicly he tells you what i showed in this post, tho he never mentions the Rose Croix.. think bout that..

another quote wich i cant find at the moment goes something like this;

i had the best teachers and i have the scars to proof it ..!

http://mtsar.blogspot.com/2006/02/enlightenment.html


well i vibe with ALOT of what he says, not just this quotes but his blog in general, i spended at least 3 to 4 hours reading through it..

and what can i say..? he's brilliant, what he brings to us is very very interesting BUT he has no opposition and he's also connected to the Rose Croix, just keep that in mind.. ah and excuse the spelling errors, i was writing fast ya see..

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[firstfruit]

Hi there very interesting but I have been here before I posted these links as my first post on here I think you will be astonished

Please go have a look

http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/

http://www.keyofsolomon.net/

this will explain a lot of the symbolism you find there the secret they hold from us

The star emphasise on the upside down pyramid is a god star (I think its who is in control the one on the right is our star. Sorry to long please just go look at the sites I gave you

Originally Posted by firstfruit

Hi there very interesting but I have been here before I posted these links as my first post on here I think you will be astonished

Please go have a look

http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/

http://www.keyofsolomon.net/

this will explain a lot of the symbolism you find there the secret they hold from us

The star emphasise on the upside down pyramid is a god star (I think its who is in control the one on the right is our star. Sorry to long please just go look at the sites I gave you

Hello there!

Thanks for the links, I've just had a quick look and read a couple of articles. Bookmarked them for later.

Unfortunately, the article isn't mine. Someone else posted it on a forum and I thought it was worthy enough to post else where. It's not expertly written, but it's basically trying to prove that Michael Tsarion (hence the title) who is a pretty well known researcher in the U.K. has strong links with the Rose Croix (Rosicrucian's)

It was more interesting to me after hearing Alan Watt's story about being stopped from going on red ice after a certain couple of people got a bit of influence there. He claims to have received all kinds of threatening e mails and also said he was asked to join the 'payroll' if he agreed to start going along the u.f.o. line in his talks and research..

There's more conspiracy's in the conspiracy field itself than any where else

[imaculate]

Though all well thought out,I have a hard time rationalizing these thoughts.
To me they seem to be based on a lot of guess work and thus can be as
Factual as old Wives tales.
I do not discount them outright I just do not think that it is that black and white
that no one can assemble the truth under one tent .there are too many deceiving agents both dead and alive that have confounded the truth through the ages .That we are left with nothing more than riddles in stone to discern what actually is the truth .Very good information though ,just not the holy grail I am too hard to convince perhaps.

It really was just a bit of info about a certain researcher, and by absolutely no means any kind of holy grail. I guess you have to be familiar with his work and the things said against him, and the reason I posted this, is because the guy who made the post openly admitted he loved Tsarions work and still did after making this research. So it's not a smear campaign. It also has some fascinating links weaved among it.

It will also interest anyone who has researched the new age. I don't mean old age traditions revived, I mean a new age movement starting back with Blavatsky when she introduced Krishnamurti to the world as 'the one'. Nothing too dissimilar as to what the new age is pushing right up until this day with Ashtar command. It just so happens they've moved up a gear and the saviour is now Sananda, who in his former life was Jesus, and he's waiting for you in a 5th dimensional spaceship along with a fleet of exactly 144,000 other souls. You can how ever be initiated for $100 at the local supermarket..

Getting totally off tac, but that's what the original post was alluding too..

[alkalurops]

don´t take everybody too serious of these book authors and new age truth tellers, somethings are truth some not. i like tsarions stuff but with reservation.
the video of conctance cumbey: discovering the new age movement is quite interestig to this thread i think....

[Doom]

I agree with Strider here. Tsarion is not to be trusted. I was once a new ager heavily into Tsarion, David icke, much of Project Camelot's interviewee's etc. I was duped. You really have to question this entire conspiracy movement, the ufos, the aliens, the patriot movement, it's all culture creation set up from the top down. It's big business. It's also great because they mix facts with ficiton to discredit any truth for those who think the conspiracys are crazy, and for those who beleive the conspiracy - also they into some ficiton - they relize some are truths but are mislead once they decide the follow the leader. Albert Pike said that they lead every revolution. The Rosicrucian's are heavily behind the revolutions, and we know Tsarion has links with Rosicrucians. He also is a pusher of jordan maxwell, red ice, zechri sitchin(http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1046), etc. Many of these guys have been exposed, and as Strider said, Alan Watt has been harassed by these guys to "join" them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r7j0DKW6auU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monYPbbXa3M

(check out 33min 12sec into this talk to 36:00 and listen to what they are talking about there) http://cuttingthrough.jenkness.com/C...Sept102008.mp3

(and check out starting at 41:42 into hour 2 here for a few mins - WOW exposes this BIG TIme)
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.u...2008_Hour1.mp3
http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.u...2008_Hour1.mp3

Aug. 6, 2008
Alan Watt on "Outside The Box" with Alex Ansary
(Originally Aired Live: Aug. 6, 2008 on "We The People Radio Network")
Aerial Spraying, Storm Creation, Chemical Clouds, HAARP - War on Farmers, Breadbasket, Floods, Droughts. "2012" Legend - Prophecies - 2010, Integration of Americas - 2012, World Government. Transhumanist Agenda - Hinduism, "Waves of Time" - Eugenics - Warfare Strategy - Totalitarian Society, Individual Isolation. Aleister Crowley, Creation of Mysticism and Confusion, Hopis, Scottish Rite, Freemasonry. New Age Movement, "Grand Delusion", "Becoming Gods", Heroes to Follow - Fascination - Gorbachev, New Religion based on Earth Worship - "Higher Consciousness". Corruption of Truth - American Revolution - System of "Civilization", Control - Illusion and Hallucination.
LISTEN / DOWNLOAD Hour 1
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/a...2008_Hour1.mp3

Dogma of Christianity, Churches, Organized Religions - Following Dictates of Government or Your God - Looking at the Negative - Rockefeller Foundation, UFO "Threat". Wiccanism, Books "Appeared" on the Shelves - Use of Power - Joining a Group vs. Individuality. Scottish Rite, "New Age" Journal - Heaven's Gate Cult Suicides - Forms of Mind Control, Manipulation. Marketing, Behaviour Alteration, Promiscuity - Media - Gender War - Victim Mentality, Fake History. United Nations, Sadomasochism, Psychopathic-Led System - Agenda 21, Habitat Supercities - Portland, Oregon - Restricting Freedom of Travel - Rural Property Taxation. CFR, RIIA - China as World Policeman - Marriage Agencies, Emigrating Women - Next "Boat People" Leaving U.S. Eternal Solutions, "Hurt No One" - Every Action has a Reaction - Cause and Effect - Fighting Evil Here in the World of Matter. Zbigniew Brzezinski "Between Two Ages" book, Technetronic Weaponry - Carroll Quigley books. Sitchin, "Interpretation" of Sumerian Tablets - Annunaki, Nature Spirits - Total Confusion. 30 Years of War and Strife - Kissinger - U.N. Weather Warfare Treaty - Pandemics.
LISTEN / DOWNLOAD Hour 2
http://cuttingthroughthematrix.com/a...2008_Hour2.mp3


Links to Debunking Modern Mythology and Well-Financed Disinformation regarding Sumerian "Gods":

" SitchinIsWrong.com "
http://sitchiniswrong.com/sitchiniswrongcontentpage.htm

"Zecharia Sitchin's ancient astronaut theories - a skeptical archive"
http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Corr...48/zindex.html



http://www.cuttingthroughthematrix.c...dio/120604.mp3
Shortwave and Superstars

Reads a moving anonymous email "Now, that's God". (Due to glitches the recorded broadcast continues at 29:55)

Public shortwave was created by the CIA using Christian front-groups to counter communist broadcasts from the Soviet Union.

You cannot put someone out there to sway people away from truth without giving that person a lot of the truth.

Uncovering symbologies of the Tree (Birch, Oak and Ash) in high masonry and the houses that they're put into according to their degrees and functions and the clues that they leave. Discussed that some of the very high inbred people have no melanocyte sites in their skin, which is what gives you your tan.

[elirien]

well this is some decent research that I have to check out for a couple of days. Really interesting. Thank you very, very much strider and the others.

I would like to add this at least:

http://video.google.com/googleplayer...&hl=en&fs=true

Hi all

I've checked out some of the links listed by Doom, and watched the free video Reality Check pt1. The links where a time slot is mentioned I only listened from that point on, such as his conversation about being asked to join the bandwagon of reptilians etc.

Having watched Reality Check I find that in general he is in total agreement with researchers such as Tsarion and Icke- the way the planet is run, the ruling elite, the methods of control and so on. No major differences. In fact the only difference I see from my limited exposure to Watt is that he doesn't believe there has been any outside involvement from reptilians, greys or anyone else. Fair enough, that's his choice, and he's obviously never had any experience of them. But just because he hasn't had any experience of them doesn't mean they don't exist.

Originally Posted by elirien

well this is some decent research that I have to check out for a couple of days. Really interesting. Thank you very, very much strider and the others.

I would like to add this at least:

http://video.google.com/googleplayer...&hl=en&fs=true

I've only watched the first few minutes of this so far, but already I see flaws in the debunking argument. Specifically, the use of the full passage from Isiah 13:5

"They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, [even] the LORD, and the weapons of HIS indignation, to destroy the whole land."

Throughout the Bible the use of the word LORD is misleading. In the original Hebrew text the word is ELOHIM, which is a combination of masculine and feminine. It is also PLURAL not singular. The translation we have today is roughly ELOHIM = SINGULAR GOD = LORD. A more correct translations would be ELOHIM = PLURAL MASCULINE AND FEMININE GODS = THE GODS.

So the translation would then be "They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, [even] the GODS, and the weapons of THEIR indignation, to destroy the whole land."

So if anything this strengthens Tsarion's arguement. Remember that the standard version of the Bible is the Authorised King James version, i.e. the version that King James wanted us to read. I believe the penalties were severe if you were caught with a version he didn't want you to read.


Anyhoo, the bottom line is that all information is suspect, no matter who the source is. When people such as Tsarion and Watt get up and present information to people they do so coming from a position of their own beliefs. It was summed up really well by Robert Anton Wilson when he said "What the thinker thinks, the prover proves." Set out to prove that ET's have been here for millennia and you will, at least to your own satisfaction. Set out to prove that they haven't and you will, at least to your own satisfaction.

It's YOUR OWN EXPERIENCES that count, not what anybody else tells you. We need to stop relying solely on our masculine, logical left-brain THINKING and start opening up to our feminine, intuitive right-brain KNOWING. If we rely too much on either one we get lost- over-use of logic leads to dead materialism and over-use of intuition leads to believing anything that floats into out minds because we don't critically examine it.

Personally, since I started following my intuition I've found it far more reliable than logic. It points me in the right direction and then my logical mind comes in to sift through the information.

A balance of the two is essential.

Much respect to all here, I'll watch more of this stuff and see where it goes. Thanks for the links guys.

p.s. Not shouting when I use CAPITAL letters, it's just that for some reason I have real difficulty making italics, underlining etc work on these forums. I must be doing something wrong but I haven't a clue what that might be.

[elirien]

Originally Posted by Sunrunner

I've only watched the first few minutes of this so far, but already I see flaws in the debunking argument. Specifically, the use of the full passage from Isiah 13:5

"They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, [even] the LORD, and the weapons of HIS indignation, to destroy the whole land."

Throughout the Bible the use of the word LORD is misleading. In the original Hebrew text the word is ELOHIM, which is a combination of masculine and feminine. It is also PLURAL not singular. The translation we have today is roughly ELOHIM = SINGULAR GOD = LORD. A more correct translations would be ELOHIM = PLURAL MASCULINE AND FEMININE GODS = THE GODS.

So the translation would then be "They come from a far country, from the end of heaven, [even] the GODS, and the weapons of THEIR indignation, to destroy the whole land."

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/sitchinerrors.htm#elohim

http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/dc101elohim.pdf

Originally Posted by Sunrunner

So if anything this strengthens Tsarion's arguement. Remember that the standard version of the Bible is the Authorised King James version, i.e. the version that King James wanted us to read. I believe the penalties were severe if you were caught with a version he didn't want you to read.

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/article...ng%20James.pdf


I believe that, that bible is written by the Rosicrucian Francis Bacon but I can't remember where I found that. Let's just think of this as an opinion.

Originally Posted by Sunrunner

Anyhoo, the bottom line is that all information is suspect, no matter who the source is. When people such as Tsarion and Watt get up and present information to people they do so coming from a position of their own beliefs. It was summed up really well by Robert Anton Wilson when he said "What the thinker thinks, the prover proves." Set out to prove that ET's have been here for millennia and you will, at least to your own satisfaction. Set out to prove that they haven't and you will, at least to your own satisfaction.

It's YOUR OWN EXPERIENCES that count, not what anybody else tells you. We need to stop relying solely on our masculine, logical left-brain THINKING and start opening up to our feminine, intuitive right-brain KNOWING. If we rely too much on either one we get lost- over-use of logic leads to dead materialism and over-use of intuition leads to believing anything that floats into out minds because we don't critically examine it.

Personally, since I started following my intuition I've found it far more reliable than logic. It points me in the right direction and then my logical mind comes in to sift through the information.

A balance of the two is essential.

Yes. I can agree on that but the right brain or so to speak emotion based knowing can be biased. Which happened a lot of times to me before and proven me wrong. 'Knowing' or well 'gnosis' perhaps can be bent with outside influence since it can be shaped into a reality in the brain. Cold facts are much more fun to handle imho

Originally Posted by Sunrunner

Much respect to all here, I'll watch more of this stuff and see where it goes. Thanks for the links guys.

p.s. Not shouting when I use CAPITAL letters, it's just that for some reason I have real difficulty making italics, underlining etc work on these forums. I must be doing something wrong but I haven't a clue what that might be.

I would recommend (if you've got the time of course) that you check out the sources of my and your claims. Who they are and why they would write such claims (is it based on fact or opinion?). Hope it will lead us to a better form of knowing. Respect to you too Sunrunner and take care.

Caps-lock sucks btw