Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise

Antaletriangle · 03-13-2009, 10:35 AM

http://undergroundbrooklyn.com/usnews-story-006.html

Michael S. Swenson

Underground Brooklyn

March 11, 2009

In a not-so-surprising move today, President Obama signed into a law a "an imperfect spending bill" worth $410 billion. According to an article released by the Associated Press, the bill was signed in private and Obama took no questions from the press regarding the bill or its signing.

President Obama did, however, release a "signing statement", citing constitutional concerns within certain elements of the bill. But in a show of hypocracy this week, Obama criticized President Bush for frequently releasing such statements upon signing such bills into law.

The signing of this spending bill raises further concerns regarding the overall credibility of Obama and his Administration. During his campaign, the President promised to curb the same types of earmarks this current bill is loaded with - pork barrel spending. In fact, the bill is loaded with 7,991 earmarks totalling more than $5.5 billion dollars in pork spending. Not surprisingly, funding for education and veterans affairs were left out of the bill.

The signing of this bill is just the latest in the list of lies and broken promises committed by Obama and his Aministration within only his first three months in office. For example, back nn February 27th, (as well as during his campaign) Obama promised to pull troops out of Afghanistan by 2010. However, just weeks before, apparently right under the noses of the American people, Obama authorized the deployment "surge" of 10,000 to 12,000 additional US combat troops to Afghanistan. This move will then effectively deploy up to 30,000 additional troops into Afghanistan over the next 12 to 18 months.

In another of the many examples of broken promises, Obama accepted over $170 million from bailed out Wall Street bankers, despite promising the refusal of this type of campaign support from big bankers and executives.

The list of Obama's lies and deceptions is a mile long. Yet the support for him around the country is still overwhelming. His presidecy is not yet three months old and he is already increasing the size of government. He is signing "stimulus" bills that have been proven to slow down the economy and crash the dollar even further. He is increasing military occupancy in the Middle East with no plans of slowing down. Despite the proven torture that has been inflicted on detainees at Guantanimo Bay, he has stated that their treatment "falls under teh Geneva Convention".

As stated, the list goes on and on...with no end in sight.

Complete details of these lies and decpetions by this Administration will be outlined in the upcoming and much anticipated film "the Obama Deception", which is being released this week on DVD as well as Internet download. The film was made by acclaimed syndicated radio talk show host and documentarian Alex Jones. A link to the film's website as well as further information can be found here:

www.theObamaDeception.net

Noela · 03-13-2009, 03:01 PM

My understanding of the signing of this $400 billion bill
is that it is last year's budget, which should have
been put through in October 2008. To not sign it
because it includes the earmarks which President
Obama does not support would mean leaving the
country without government money as of now.

It is so easy to criticize without knowing the
full facts.

Politicians have to be pragmatists - and this
means sometimes doing things they would
rather not do.

Antaletriangle · 03-13-2009, 03:37 PM

He should have mentioned that when he made his promises-it irritates me that people think one bloke is the answer to all the prayers of humanity!All politicians are in the political game for their own and their mukkas own ends-jobs for the boys,look after number one-if people haven't noticed this by now then it's time to give up.They all sing from the same hymn book.As soon as a politician promises something anyone with any common sense and wisdom understands that the chances are it's a fabrication to get votes-the problem with modern propaganda is it's very effective in tugging emotional strings with lies.All of the sobbing.tears of joy for someone they don't know and basically what they've been told to feel and think-it drives me to despair thinking that no-one has learnt a thing from history and it's getting worse.
I'm simply speaking from my intuition and limited observations.
I trust a beggar on the street and indeed have taken a few in in the past-i don't trust these people one bit.

alyscat · 03-13-2009, 03:38 PM

Yes, he has line item veto. (The republicans gave it to Clinton, I always wondered about that... Did they figure he'd never use it, or were they thinking that the Republican president that was sure to follow [given Clinton's legal issues]) would have that much more power.) So an imperfect bill can become a more perfect bill, if he were to choose.
alys

Swanny · 03-13-2009, 08:28 PM

I'm surprised people think Obama will be any different to Bush

tgraf66 · 03-15-2009, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alyscat

Yes, he has line item veto.

No, no president has ever had the line-item veto. Bush used signing statements as a virtual version of it, but there is no legislative or constitutional authority for the L-I veto.

Humble Janitor · 03-15-2009, 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antaletriangle

He should have mentioned that when he made his promises-it irritates me that people think one bloke is the answer to all the prayers of humanity!All politicians are in the political game for their own and their mukkas own ends-jobs for the boys,look after number one-if people haven't noticed this by now then it's time to give up.They all sing from the same hymn book.As soon as a politician promises something anyone with any common sense and wisdom understands that the chances are it's a fabrication to get votes-the problem with modern propaganda is it's very effective in tugging emotional strings with lies.All of the sobbing.tears of joy for someone they don't know and basically what they've been told to feel and think-it drives me to despair thinking that no-one has learnt a thing from history and it's getting worse.
I'm simply speaking from my intuition and limited observations.
I trust a beggar on the street and indeed have taken a few in in the past-i don't trust these people one bit.

It irritates me that people refuse to show any amount of optimism towards this presidency.

They're out there screaming with their heads off, "Obama's the new leader of the NWO! OMG! OMG!" and Alex Jones and his bullhorn is certainly no exception.

Swanny · 03-15-2009, 07:01 PM

HJ he's only the puppet, did you really think things would be any different?

burgundia · 03-15-2009, 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

It irritates me that people refuse to show any amount of optimism towards this presidency.

They're out there screaming with their heads off, "Obama's the new leader of the NWO! OMG! OMG!" and Alex Jones and his bullhorn is certainly no exception.

I'm surprise that you don't see that presidents are just puppets.

Noela · 03-15-2009, 07:41 PM

"It irritates me that people refuse to show any amount
of optimism towards this presidency"

Right on, Humble Janitor. I'm with you entirely
in that sentiment.

But thank God for David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland
who see things differently.

And does anyone stop to realise the tremendous
burden that any President carries - and the need
for support - the sending out of hope and optimism
if anyone in that position is to succeed.

alyscat · 03-15-2009, 08:20 PM

Actually, we're both right. It was granted in 1996 for a short period of time before the courts apparently ruled it unconstitutional. My memory was from when it was granted.

from wikipedia

Line Item Veto Act of 1996
Presidents have repeatedly asked Congress to give them a line item veto power. According to Louis Fisher in The Politics of Shared Power, Ronald Reagan said to Congress in his 1986 State of the Union address, "Tonight I ask you to give me what forty-three governors have: Give me a line-item veto this year. Give me the authority to veto waste, and I'll take the responsibility, I'll make the cuts, I'll take the heat." Bill Clinton echoed the request in his State of the Union address in 1995.

The President was briefly granted this power by the Line Item Veto Act of 1996, passed by Congress in order to control "pork barrel spending" that favors a particular region rather than the nation as a whole. The line-item veto was used 11 times to strike 82 items from the federal budget by President Bill Clinton. [3][4]

However, U.S. District Court Judge Thomas F. Hogan ruled on February 12, 1998, that unilateral amendment or repeal of only parts of statutes violated the U.S. Constitution. This ruling was subsequently affirmed on June 25, 1998, by a 6-3 decision of the Supreme Court of the United States in the case Clinton v. City of New York. The case was brought by the then New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani.

A constitutional amendment to give the President line item veto power has been considered periodically since the Court ruled the 1996 act unconstitutional.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgraf66

No, no president has ever had the line-item veto. Bush used signing statements as a virtual version of it, but there is no legislative or constitutional authority for the L-I veto.

Humble Janitor · 03-16-2009, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burgundia

I'm surprise that you don't see that presidents are just puppets.

I see some members of Avalon as puppets, ready to go screaming about conspiracies on just about anything.

I'll continue to show optimism because unlike others, I don't have time to be pre-occupied with fears about everything out there.

Soulmate7 · 03-16-2009, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I see some members of Avalon as puppets, ready to go screaming about conspiracies on just about anything.

I'll continue to show optimism because unlike others, I don't have time to be pre-occupied with fears about everything out there.

Humble Janitor, don't you think you're exaggerating lately. Your contribution to this forum has become an endless attack against those who have a different opinion than yours. You also started a thread against the right-wingers. I'm honestly beginning to get tired of you.

That you have a different opinion and want to express it, is fine, but this is way beyond the acceptable. There's nothing else I read from you anymore.
Do you see anyone else doing what you do here?

Machinamentum · 03-16-2009, 12:46 AM

Does anyone know of anything good Obama has done?

I mean really, if you wanna believe everything he says and not question it's validity, then you are too gullible to be talking about politics. Hitler told his people exactly what they wanted to hear. It doesn't take Alex Jones to see that.

So I ask it again, does anyone know of anything good Obama has done?

alyscat · 03-16-2009, 01:03 AM

It's hard to say what he has done "good" or not, since there's no consensus on what "good" is.

If you come from a conservative background, his spending more money on trying to fix the economy (which the conservatives did, too, we can thank them for the banker bailouts) gets slammed. His focus on people over things gets slammed. If you come from a liberal background, his obvious alliance with the Brezinsky/Clinton/etc. CFR group gets slammed.

He's a fast learner, and very intelligent, but he inherited a nightmare from previous administrations' spending/ economic policy / and he's trying to work from a position of inclusion in a country where the two political parties are so far apart that there doesn't seem to be any way to bring them together. Where it's politics over people, and big business trumps all.

He's also a lawyer, not an economics/finance wonk, and he will have to take advice from people he thinks might be able to fix things. One thing I've noticed, though, is that he tends to make some questionable choices of people to advise him. Once it's pointed out, he moves on it, but up front he doesn't seem to have that discrimination.

60 days is not enough time for him to turn this fast moving trainwreck-to-be around, and he may never be able to do so.

We will probably eat him (Obama), as a country, (heck, we'd probably kill JC again, if he showed up, because he was all for helping the widows and children - you know, that love your fellow man, start a revolution, kind of thing) although I'd love to see some of Obama's ideals come to fruition.

alys

Noela · 03-16-2009, 06:35 AM

Good thoughtful post, Alyscat.

Noela · 03-16-2009, 06:49 AM

I tend to agree with you Humble Janitor. I have
started to spend less time with the Forum
because of the things you suggest.

But I don't think it's helpful to latch out at
others on the forum and I still feel connected
because underneath there is a bond of love,
and in many instances, tolerance.

It is difficult to find a place where there is
forward thinking and a desire to spread
love and peace and I do think we have
that here on the Forum, in spite of our
differences.

Keep posting, H.P. - I read your posts - and I
think in many instances you are being used
to express my frustrations!

Machinamentum · 03-16-2009, 07:29 AM

"It's hard to say what he has done "good" or not, since there's no consensus on what "good" is."

And

"We will probably eat him (Obama), as a country, (heck, we'd probably kill JC again, if he showed up, because he was all for helping the widows and children - you know, that love your fellow man, start a revolution, kind of thing) although I'd love to see some of Obama's ideals come to fruition."

This was found all in one post. Can you see the hypocrisy?

Really,

I want to believe you, I do. Try not to take too much offense.

But that's not a good enough answer for me.

Meanwhile, people are dying and things are falling as predicted.

I knew Obama was the tool for choice when he showed up on Oprah. He can make things sound really good and that's his job (he's doing a wonderful job I might add)!

He's going to put you in a trance, while he robs the sovereignty your not aware of.

That is all I've seen him do.

So again, let me rephrase this for those who are hard to understand.

After this amount of time, that Obama has been in office, who has really benefited?

Zeddo · 03-16-2009, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Noela

"It irritates me that people refuse to show any amount
of optimism towards this presidency"

Right on, Humble Janitor. I'm with you entirely
in that sentiment.

But thank God for David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland
who see things differently.

And does anyone stop to realise the tremendous
burden that any President carries - and the need
for support - the sending out of hope and optimism
if anyone in that position is to succeed.

Hi Noela
I have to agree with you on the last paragraph. If we bear in mind what has been said time and again, namely "the people get the president they deserve", then it is about tine the people rallied together POSITIVELY around their new president. This will do a few things. If the people as a mass rallied behind Obama and held him to his positive promises, he would have more strength to do the right thing. You NEED TO BE HIS STRENGTH. Instead of indulging in the usual "bitch-fest" stand up and be positive. You are the conscience of your country, you elected the man. Let him know that all the positive stuff he said is what you expect and stop whinging like shot cats! Isn't this whole site about bringing in a new reality? Isn't this whole effort about being the harbingers of a new dawn? Isn't the whole purpose of this site to be seen as a light,nay, a beacon of hope in dark times where people can gather like so many stricken moths looking for solace?
You have the opportunity to take "the tool of choice" and use it to your (and ours) benefit.

Okay, now you can flame me and burn me at the stake, who cares.

Z

Noela · 03-16-2009, 05:34 PM

Thanks Zeddo for your comments.

Also there is the fact that "energy follows thought"
which I think most of us on this Forum would
agree with.

This is how Greg Braden envisages prayer -as
thought with emotion. This is how I try to
live my life - praying, as people come into
my life, and also for those with great
responsibility such as Obama - therefore
believing that energy will reach them
in some way.

Imagine if thousands of people did this -sent
thoughts of love and light and wishing the
highest and the best - what an effect it
would have.

(P.S. Zeddo - I have just noticed where you live.
80 klms. south of Perth - no my geography is
not good enough - but I was there throughout
2006. My son lives at Rockingham. You are a
bit further south I would think. Nice to see
someone from the West.)

Swanny · 03-16-2009, 05:44 PM

Does anyone here think that Bush was intelligent enough to be president once let alone twice??
Wake up people Obama is nothing more than a front man, he's not the real power he only does and says what he is told to

Dantheman62 · 03-16-2009, 06:15 PM

WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Monday offered a fresh package of aid to small businesses — "the heart of the American economy" — in an aggressive push to get big banks that got federal bailout money to do more lending to these struggling entrepreneurs.

"You deserve a chance. America needs you to have that chance," Obama told small business owners gathered in the White House East Room as the administration detailed various steps to get credit flowing to small businesses.

With Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner by his side, Obama said the nation has small businesses to thank for many of the new jobs, roughly 70 percent in the last decade. Geithner said as small businesses prosper, the nation does, a critical element to any economic recovery.

The White House announced a series of moves to get credit flowing to small businesses. The measures include boosting bank liquidity with up to $15 billion aimed at unfreezing the secondary credit market, reducing lending fees and increasing loan guarantees, and easing the tax burden. The administration also announced that the 21 largest banks receiving government money must report monthly on how much lending they do to small businesses.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090316/.../obama_economy

Machinamentum · 03-16-2009, 07:36 PM

"Obama details plan to aid small businesses"

Does anyone know what Communism is?

It's when the government controls the means for production.

Why should he choose who gets the bailout money that we (the people) did not want.

Does anyone know how he is getting this money?

I know where it's going!

"21 largest banks receiving government money"

How can a bankrupt government save a bankrupt system by borrowing money?

HAHAHA Suckers

Hmm

Ok Ok Ok

Does anyone see the problem here?

When companies need help big or small. They ask the government for money to help start the business, or they go to the government for help with insurance.

Well here's what you don't know. When companies ask for benefits they have to sign agreements that their employees will wave their rights as Natural Persons.

So ****ing great! Now I can't even get a job with a small business with out loosing my rights.

Wonderful,

That's really benefiting me!

Machinamentum · 03-16-2009, 07:40 PM

So dose anyone else think he's doing good...???

I would really like to know.

Machinamentum · 03-16-2009, 07:50 PM

Just because your too scared to see the horrors in Washington doesn't meant they'll go away. If you repress it or forget about it, or if you try to pretend that is all good, it doesn't mean that it is, or will be.

That's what they want. Just don't pay attention to the bad things, only focus on the good things, thats a load of ****.

It's easy for me to say that when I'm steeling all your money!

03-13-2009, 10:35 AM	#1
Antaletriangle Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: U.K. Posts: 3,380	Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise http://undergroundbrooklyn.com/usnews-story-006.html Michael S. Swenson Underground Brooklyn March 11, 2009 In a not-so-surprising move today, President Obama signed into a law a "an imperfect spending bill" worth $410 billion. According to an article released by the Associated Press, the bill was signed in private and Obama took no questions from the press regarding the bill or its signing. President Obama did, however, release a "signing statement", citing constitutional concerns within certain elements of the bill. But in a show of hypocracy this week, Obama criticized President Bush for frequently releasing such statements upon signing such bills into law. The signing of this spending bill raises further concerns regarding the overall credibility of Obama and his Administration. During his campaign, the President promised to curb the same types of earmarks this current bill is loaded with - pork barrel spending. In fact, the bill is loaded with 7,991 earmarks totalling more than $5.5 billion dollars in pork spending. Not surprisingly, funding for education and veterans affairs were left out of the bill. The signing of this bill is just the latest in the list of lies and broken promises committed by Obama and his Aministration within only his first three months in office. For example, back nn February 27th, (as well as during his campaign) Obama promised to pull troops out of Afghanistan by 2010. However, just weeks before, apparently right under the noses of the American people, Obama authorized the deployment "surge" of 10,000 to 12,000 additional US combat troops to Afghanistan. This move will then effectively deploy up to 30,000 additional troops into Afghanistan over the next 12 to 18 months. In another of the many examples of broken promises, Obama accepted over $170 million from bailed out Wall Street bankers, despite promising the refusal of this type of campaign support from big bankers and executives. The list of Obama's lies and deceptions is a mile long. Yet the support for him around the country is still overwhelming. His presidecy is not yet three months old and he is already increasing the size of government. He is signing "stimulus" bills that have been proven to slow down the economy and crash the dollar even further. He is increasing military occupancy in the Middle East with no plans of slowing down. Despite the proven torture that has been inflicted on detainees at Guantanimo Bay, he has stated that their treatment "falls under teh Geneva Convention". As stated, the list goes on and on...with no end in sight. Complete details of these lies and decpetions by this Administration will be outlined in the upcoming and much anticipated film "the Obama Deception", which is being released this week on DVD as well as Internet download. The film was made by acclaimed syndicated radio talk show host and documentarian Alex Jones. A link to the film's website as well as further information can be found here: www.theObamaDeception.net

03-13-2009, 03:01 PM	#2
Noela Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 205	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise My understanding of the signing of this $400 billion bill is that it is last year's budget, which should have been put through in October 2008. To not sign it because it includes the earmarks which President Obama does not support would mean leaving the country without government money as of now. It is so easy to criticize without knowing the full facts. Politicians have to be pragmatists - and this means sometimes doing things they would rather not do.

03-13-2009, 03:37 PM	#3
Antaletriangle Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: U.K. Posts: 3,380	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise He should have mentioned that when he made his promises-it irritates me that people think one bloke is the answer to all the prayers of humanity!All politicians are in the political game for their own and their mukkas own ends-jobs for the boys,look after number one-if people haven't noticed this by now then it's time to give up.They all sing from the same hymn book.As soon as a politician promises something anyone with any common sense and wisdom understands that the chances are it's a fabrication to get votes-the problem with modern propaganda is it's very effective in tugging emotional strings with lies.All of the sobbing.tears of joy for someone they don't know and basically what they've been told to feel and think-it drives me to despair thinking that no-one has learnt a thing from history and it's getting worse. I'm simply speaking from my intuition and limited observations. I trust a beggar on the street and indeed have taken a few in in the past-i don't trust these people one bit.

03-13-2009, 03:38 PM	#4
alyscat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Washington state Posts: 743	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise Yes, he has line item veto. (The republicans gave it to Clinton, I always wondered about that... Did they figure he'd never use it, or were they thinking that the Republican president that was sure to follow [given Clinton's legal issues]) would have that much more power.) So an imperfect bill can become a more perfect bill, if he were to choose. alys

03-13-2009, 08:28 PM	#5
Swanny I dont need a label ! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Shire of Wilt Posts: 2,889	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise I'm surprised people think Obama will be any different to Bush

03-15-2009, 07:01 PM	#8
Swanny I dont need a label ! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Shire of Wilt Posts: 2,889	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise HJ he's only the puppet, did you really think things would be any different?

03-15-2009, 07:41 PM	#10
Noela Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 205	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise "It irritates me that people refuse to show any amount of optimism towards this presidency" Right on, Humble Janitor. I'm with you entirely in that sentiment. But thank God for David Wilcock and Richard Hoagland who see things differently. And does anyone stop to realise the tremendous burden that any President carries - and the need for support - the sending out of hope and optimism if anyone in that position is to succeed.

03-16-2009, 12:46 AM	#14
Machinamentum Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 413	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise Does anyone know of anything good Obama has done? I mean really, if you wanna believe everything he says and not question it's validity, then you are too gullible to be talking about politics. Hitler told his people exactly what they wanted to hear. It doesn't take Alex Jones to see that. So I ask it again, does anyone know of anything good Obama has done?

03-16-2009, 01:03 AM	#15
alyscat Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Washington state Posts: 743	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise It's hard to say what he has done "good" or not, since there's no consensus on what "good" is. If you come from a conservative background, his spending more money on trying to fix the economy (which the conservatives did, too, we can thank them for the banker bailouts) gets slammed. His focus on people over things gets slammed. If you come from a liberal background, his obvious alliance with the Brezinsky/Clinton/etc. CFR group gets slammed. He's a fast learner, and very intelligent, but he inherited a nightmare from previous administrations' spending/ economic policy / and he's trying to work from a position of inclusion in a country where the two political parties are so far apart that there doesn't seem to be any way to bring them together. Where it's politics over people, and big business trumps all. He's also a lawyer, not an economics/finance wonk, and he will have to take advice from people he thinks might be able to fix things. One thing I've noticed, though, is that he tends to make some questionable choices of people to advise him. Once it's pointed out, he moves on it, but up front he doesn't seem to have that discrimination. 60 days is not enough time for him to turn this fast moving trainwreck-to-be around, and he may never be able to do so. We will probably eat him (Obama), as a country, (heck, we'd probably kill JC again, if he showed up, because he was all for helping the widows and children - you know, that love your fellow man, start a revolution, kind of thing) although I'd love to see some of Obama's ideals come to fruition. alys

03-16-2009, 06:35 AM	#16
Noela Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 205	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise Good thoughtful post, Alyscat.

03-16-2009, 06:49 AM	#17
Noela Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 205	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise I tend to agree with you Humble Janitor. I have started to spend less time with the Forum because of the things you suggest. But I don't think it's helpful to latch out at others on the forum and I still feel connected because underneath there is a bond of love, and in many instances, tolerance. It is difficult to find a place where there is forward thinking and a desire to spread love and peace and I do think we have that here on the Forum, in spite of our differences. Keep posting, H.P. - I read your posts - and I think in many instances you are being used to express my frustrations!

03-16-2009, 07:29 AM	#18
Machinamentum Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 413	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise "It's hard to say what he has done "good" or not, since there's no consensus on what "good" is." And "We will probably eat him (Obama), as a country, (heck, we'd probably kill JC again, if he showed up, because he was all for helping the widows and children - you know, that love your fellow man, start a revolution, kind of thing) although I'd love to see some of Obama's ideals come to fruition." This was found all in one post. Can you see the hypocrisy? Really, I want to believe you, I do. Try not to take too much offense. But that's not a good enough answer for me. Meanwhile, people are dying and things are falling as predicted. I knew Obama was the tool for choice when he showed up on Oprah. He can make things sound really good and that's his job (he's doing a wonderful job I might add)! He's going to put you in a trance, while he robs the sovereignty your not aware of. That is all I've seen him do. So again, let me rephrase this for those who are hard to understand. After this amount of time, that Obama has been in office, who has really benefited? Last edited by Machinamentum; 03-16-2009 at 07:38 AM.

03-16-2009, 05:34 PM	#20
Noela Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 205	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise Thanks Zeddo for your comments. Also there is the fact that "energy follows thought" which I think most of us on this Forum would agree with. This is how Greg Braden envisages prayer -as thought with emotion. This is how I try to live my life - praying, as people come into my life, and also for those with great responsibility such as Obama - therefore believing that energy will reach them in some way. Imagine if thousands of people did this -sent thoughts of love and light and wishing the highest and the best - what an effect it would have. (P.S. Zeddo - I have just noticed where you live. 80 klms. south of Perth - no my geography is not good enough - but I was there throughout 2006. My son lives at Rockingham. You are a bit further south I would think. Nice to see someone from the West.)

03-16-2009, 05:44 PM	#21
Swanny I dont need a label ! Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Shire of Wilt Posts: 2,889	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise Does anyone here think that Bush was intelligent enough to be president once let alone twice?? Wake up people Obama is nothing more than a front man, he's not the real power he only does and says what he is told to

03-16-2009, 06:15 PM	#22
Dantheman62 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: So. Cal. U.S. Posts: 4,205	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Monday offered a fresh package of aid to small businesses — "the heart of the American economy" — in an aggressive push to get big banks that got federal bailout money to do more lending to these struggling entrepreneurs. "You deserve a chance. America needs you to have that chance," Obama told small business owners gathered in the White House East Room as the administration detailed various steps to get credit flowing to small businesses. With Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner by his side, Obama said the nation has small businesses to thank for many of the new jobs, roughly 70 percent in the last decade. Geithner said as small businesses prosper, the nation does, a critical element to any economic recovery. The White House announced a series of moves to get credit flowing to small businesses. The measures include boosting bank liquidity with up to $15 billion aimed at unfreezing the secondary credit market, reducing lending fees and increasing loan guarantees, and easing the tax burden. The administration also announced that the 21 largest banks receiving government money must report monthly on how much lending they do to small businesses. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090316/.../obama_economy

03-16-2009, 07:36 PM	#23
Machinamentum Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 413	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise "Obama details plan to aid small businesses" Does anyone know what Communism is? It's when the government controls the means for production. Why should he choose who gets the bailout money that we (the people) did not want. Does anyone know how he is getting this money? I know where it's going! "21 largest banks receiving government money" How can a bankrupt government save a bankrupt system by borrowing money? HAHAHA Suckers Hmm Ok Ok Ok Does anyone see the problem here? When companies need help big or small. They ask the government for money to help start the business, or they go to the government for help with insurance. Well here's what you don't know. When companies ask for benefits they have to sign agreements that their employees will wave their rights as Natural Persons. So ***ing great! Now I can't even get a job with a small business with out loosing my rights. Wonderful, That's really benefiting me! Last edited by Machinamentum; 03-16-2009 at 07:43 PM.*

03-16-2009, 07:40 PM	#24
Machinamentum Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 413	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise So dose anyone else think he's doing good...??? I would really like to know.

03-16-2009, 07:50 PM	#25
Machinamentum Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 413	Re: Obama Signs Spending Bill, Breaks Yet Another Promise Just because your too scared to see the horrors in Washington doesn't meant they'll go away. If you repress it or forget about it, or if you try to pretend that is all good, it doesn't mean that it is, or will be. That's what they want. Just don't pay attention to the bad things, only focus on the good things, thats a load of ****. It's easy for me to say that when I'm steeling all your money!