Alleged 9/11 mastermind wants to confess to plot dec 8th

Antaletriangle · 12-08-2008, 08:48 PM

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3685...s-to-plot.html
Another set up or scapegoat manicured by the CIA?
A senior al-Qaeda suspect has said he wants to confess to killing thousands of people in the September 11 attacks in a move which could speed up his execution.

By Tom Leonard in New York and Alex Spillius in Washington
Last Updated: 7:18PM GMT 08 Dec 2008

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed shortly after he was arrested in March 2003 Photo: AFP
In an abrupt reversal of previous attempts to defend themselves, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four co-defendants indicated to a judge in Guantánamo Bay they want to plead guilty.

The move is being seen as an apparent attempt to push through their prosecution and execution for multiple murder charges.

Their admission that they took the decision on November 4, the day on which Barack Obama won the US presidency, provided the strongest clue as to their motives. Mr Obama has said he wants to close down the controversial detention camp and try its inmates elsewhere.

Relatives of some of the victims, allowed to watch a 9/11 hearing for the first time, sat at the back of a courtroom on the US military base as the accused passed a note to the military judge.

They said they had "reached an agreement to request from the commission an immediate hearing session in order to announce our confessions... with our earnest desire in this regard without being under any kind of pressure, threat, intimidations or promise from any party".

The letter did not implicitly say they intended to plead guilty to the 2,973 murder counts – one for each person killed after al Qaeda militants hijacked three airliners in 2001. However each of the five told the judge they were prepared to enter a plea.

The five have previously said they would welcome 'martyrdom', a fate they might be denied by the Obama administration unless they hurry along the legal process.

The judge, Colonel Steven Henley of the US Army, questioned the five – who face the death penalty – on their decision to ensure they understood its impact.

Mohammed, a Kuwait-born Pakistani, and four others – Ramzi Binalshibh, Mustafa Ahmed al Hawsawi, Walid bin Attash and Ali Abdul Aziz Ali – were charged earlier this year with conspiring with al Qaeda to kill civilians.

Mohammed has already boasted that he planned the attacks "from A to Z".

He told the judge yesterday he had no faith in either him, his defence lawyers or in President Bush.

Speaking in English, his grey beard stretching down to his chest, he told the court: "I am not trusting any Americans".

The five said they withdrew all previous motions that had been filed by their Pentagon-appointed lawyers, whom they have attempted to sack.

Amid uncertainty as to whether a military judge can actually accept a guilty plea in a capital case, Col Henley said he would have to hold further hearings on the issue.

He will also have to decide whether the five's incarceration and torture affected their judgment.

It is the fourth time the defendants have appeared before a tribunal judge at Guantánamo and legal experts believe there is little chance the case will be ready for trial before Mr Obama takes office on January 20.

"The last thing this country needs is a rush to execution," said Jennifer Daskal, senior counter-terrorism counsel at the campaign group Human Rights Watch, who was in the courtroom.

"Any verdict or decision in 9/11 cases ought to be a major victory for US justice. Holding these defendants accountable for terrible crimes has been tainted by torture and an unfair military commissions process."

Nine relatives of victims of the 9/11 attacks, chosen by lottery from 100 applicants, were invited to watch the legal proceedings.

Alice Hoagland, a Californian whose son, Mark Bingham, died in the United plane that crashed in a Pennsylvania field, said the announcement was "like a real bombshell to me".

She told reporters that Mr Obama was an "even-minded and just man" who would ensure the five were punished.

elsinorelore · 12-08-2008, 09:37 PM

Hey Antaletriangle, I didnt realise you had already started a thread on this, but I shouldve known!!!hahaha--Anyway, I just posted this too, Ive been following this all night! I find this so very bizarre! Who exactly is trying to dodge the sh** fan now!!! Do the PTB think we are all so freakin stupid to believe these 5 guys out of Guantonomo Bay are really responsible!!!??? What BS!!!!!!! I dont really know what else to say- Im just blown away by the PTBs stupidity, and the sad thing is, I am sure the average people will believe this crock of sh**!!!! Jes**, they must think we are all MORANS!!!!!!!!

feeler · 12-08-2008, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by elsinorelore

Hey Antaletriangle, I didnt realise you had already started a thread on this, but I shouldve known!!!hahaha--Anyway, I just posted this too, Ive been following this all night! I find this so very bizarre! Who exactly is trying to dodge the sh** fan now!!! Do the PTB think we are all so freakin stupid to believe these 5 guys out of Guantonomo Bay are really responsible!!!??? What BS!!!!!!! I dont really know what else to say- Im just blown away by the PTBs stupidity, and the sad thing is, I am sure the average people will believe this crock of sh**!!!! Jes**, they must think we are all MORANS!!!!!!!!

Perhaps Khalid Sheikh Mohammed will explain to the world how he pulverized the twin towers and imploded WTC 7.

-feeler

elsinorelore · 12-08-2008, 09:58 PM

Hey Feeler, please enlighten me!!!! I missed your last post, not on purpose, I just cant find it yet!

feeler · 12-09-2008, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsinorelore

Hey Feeler, please enlighten me!!!! I missed your last post, not on purpose, I just cant find it yet!

elsinorelore

I posted in the Jordan Maxwell thread by mistake, so I deleted the post.

-feeler

Frank Samuel · 12-09-2008, 08:23 AM

Let's wait till Bush and Cheeney leave office so we can haul them off to Guantanamo bay also, let these people go, and charge the real masterminds of 911, and the mastermind commander in chief responsible for murdering thousands of innocents civilians in Iraq, afghanistan and racially profiling Arabs as terrorist all around the world. Arabs are upsept to say the least I wonder why ? We might have to wait 50 to 100 yrs. to find out the truth in which case most of us will not be around them. By that time an Arab President will formerly apologize, will give the Iraquis and afghanie families land and money to build casinos and all will be forgotten, right !!!! NOT !!!

Steve_A · 12-09-2008, 09:43 AM

Hi Antaletriangle,

Yet another interesting post that I'm becoming to expect from you!

This story of course opens a hornets nest of possibilities.

We know that Guantanamo needs to be closed down. We also know that the interrogation methods were / are less to be desired, some 'interns' preferring to die rather than go through another day of torture over there.

I personally think that the current pesident of the US is trying to justify its' existence by saying politically that if it didn't serve for anything else, it served to capture the mastermind behind 9/11 (and I thought it was Osama Bin Laden all along - silly me).

Also don't forget that the current president of the US needs to give closure to his 'watch' as he coined the phrase. Nothing better than to identify the real bad men behind the plot - call me subversive, but I do have my doubts.

If reported news of Bush and Cheney being sought to be prosecuted is true, they of course will need to find the real perpetrators of this barbaric crime, so they were so lucky to find these five Arabs in Guantanamo who admitted their acts which must get Bush and Cheney off the hook. Seems like they struck gold.

Don't forget that Rumsfeld has a lot to answer for also.

Also a little distraction from the real problem of the economy seems to be needed.

Let's face it, politics is a dirty game.

Best regards,

Steve

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antaletriangle

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3685...s-to-plot.html
Another set up or scapegoat manicured by the CIA?
A senior al-Qaeda suspect has said he wants to confess to killing thousands of people in the September 11 attacks in a move which could speed up his execution.

feeler · 12-09-2008, 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve_A

If reported news of Bush and Cheney being sought to be prosecuted is true, they of course will need to find the real perpetrators of this barbaric crime, so they were so lucky to find these five Arabs in Guantanamo who admitted their acts which must get Bush and Cheney off the hook. Seems like they struck gold.

Steve

It's a false trial; pulling out five Arabs from the torture chambers in Guantanamo to stand trial should require independent medical examination to see whether the five Arabs are psychologically fit to stand trial and to see whether the five Arabs were phyically and emotionally tramatized.

-feeler

12-08-2008, 08:48 PM	#1
Antaletriangle Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: U.K. Posts: 3,380	Alleged 9/11 mastermind wants to confess to plot dec 8th http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3685...s-to-plot.html Another set up or scapegoat manicured by the CIA? A senior al-Qaeda suspect has said he wants to confess to killing thousands of people in the September 11 attacks in a move which could speed up his execution. By Tom Leonard in New York and Alex Spillius in Washington Last Updated: 7:18PM GMT 08 Dec 2008 Khalid Sheikh Mohammed shortly after he was arrested in March 2003 Photo: AFP In an abrupt reversal of previous attempts to defend themselves, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and his four co-defendants indicated to a judge in Guantánamo Bay they want to plead guilty. The move is being seen as an apparent attempt to push through their prosecution and execution for multiple murder charges. Their admission that they took the decision on November 4, the day on which Barack Obama won the US presidency, provided the strongest clue as to their motives. Mr Obama has said he wants to close down the controversial detention camp and try its inmates elsewhere. Relatives of some of the victims, allowed to watch a 9/11 hearing for the first time, sat at the back of a courtroom on the US military base as the accused passed a note to the military judge. They said they had "reached an agreement to request from the commission an immediate hearing session in order to announce our confessions... with our earnest desire in this regard without being under any kind of pressure, threat, intimidations or promise from any party". The letter did not implicitly say they intended to plead guilty to the 2,973 murder counts – one for each person killed after al Qaeda militants hijacked three airliners in 2001. However each of the five told the judge they were prepared to enter a plea. The five have previously said they would welcome 'martyrdom', a fate they might be denied by the Obama administration unless they hurry along the legal process. The judge, Colonel Steven Henley of the US Army, questioned the five – who face the death penalty – on their decision to ensure they understood its impact. Mohammed, a Kuwait-born Pakistani, and four others – Ramzi Binalshibh, Mustafa Ahmed al Hawsawi, Walid bin Attash and Ali Abdul Aziz Ali – were charged earlier this year with conspiring with al Qaeda to kill civilians. Mohammed has already boasted that he planned the attacks "from A to Z". He told the judge yesterday he had no faith in either him, his defence lawyers or in President Bush. Speaking in English, his grey beard stretching down to his chest, he told the court: "I am not trusting any Americans". The five said they withdrew all previous motions that had been filed by their Pentagon-appointed lawyers, whom they have attempted to sack. Amid uncertainty as to whether a military judge can actually accept a guilty plea in a capital case, Col Henley said he would have to hold further hearings on the issue. He will also have to decide whether the five's incarceration and torture affected their judgment. It is the fourth time the defendants have appeared before a tribunal judge at Guantánamo and legal experts believe there is little chance the case will be ready for trial before Mr Obama takes office on January 20. "The last thing this country needs is a rush to execution," said Jennifer Daskal, senior counter-terrorism counsel at the campaign group Human Rights Watch, who was in the courtroom. "Any verdict or decision in 9/11 cases ought to be a major victory for US justice. Holding these defendants accountable for terrible crimes has been tainted by torture and an unfair military commissions process." Nine relatives of victims of the 9/11 attacks, chosen by lottery from 100 applicants, were invited to watch the legal proceedings. Alice Hoagland, a Californian whose son, Mark Bingham, died in the United plane that crashed in a Pennsylvania field, said the announcement was "like a real bombshell to me". She told reporters that Mr Obama was an "even-minded and just man" who would ensure the five were punished.

12-08-2008, 09:37 PM	#2
elsinorelore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 209	Re: Alleged 9/11 mastermind wants to confess to plot dec 8th Hey Antaletriangle, I didnt realise you had already started a thread on this, but I shouldve known!!!hahaha--Anyway, I just posted this too, Ive been following this all night! I find this so very bizarre! Who exactly is trying to dodge the sh fan now!!! Do the PTB think we are all so freakin stupid to believe these 5 guys out of Guantonomo Bay are really responsible!!!??? What BS!!!!!!! I dont really know what else to say- Im just blown away by the PTBs stupidity, and the sad thing is, I am sure the average people will believe this crock of sh!!!! Jes**, they must think we are all MORANS!!!!!!!!

12-08-2008, 09:58 PM	#4
elsinorelore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Switzerland Posts: 209	Re: Alleged 9/11 mastermind wants to confess to plot dec 8th Hey Feeler, please enlighten me!!!! I missed your last post, not on purpose, I just cant find it yet!

12-09-2008, 08:23 AM	#6
Frank Samuel Project Avalon Moderator Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: i live in puerto rico Posts: 643	Re: Alleged 9/11 mastermind wants to confess to plot dec 8th Let's wait till Bush and Cheeney leave office so we can haul them off to Guantanamo bay also, let these people go, and charge the real masterminds of 911, and the mastermind commander in chief responsible for murdering thousands of innocents civilians in Iraq, afghanistan and racially profiling Arabs as terrorist all around the world. Arabs are upsept to say the least I wonder why ? We might have to wait 50 to 100 yrs. to find out the truth in which case most of us will not be around them. By that time an Arab President will formerly apologize, will give the Iraquis and afghanie families land and money to build casinos and all will be forgotten, right !!!! NOT !!!