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Avalon Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Newcastle, Oz
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Most would think our society originates from a christian model, but where did that christian model really come from? In the early days of my journey away from christianity it really was exciting for me to discover these things. Thanks to Google, we can start by going back to the beginning, to Adam himself, or should that be Atum? Quote:
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It’s usually a mother that gives life to one’s offspring, but when Eve was created from Adam’s rib he can then be seen, at least in that light, as a ‘He-She’. Quote:
The Genesis account also makes mention of the first land rising out of the waters. Quote:
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So 'Atum' sounds like 'Adam', in more than just name. Anyone familiar with the Genesis account probably recognises these elements: - A ‘perfect created being’ - who gives names to all. - A deep void/waters from which arose the first land. - The ‘crushing’ of a serpent in a future confrontation. It’s also interesting to note that the ‘waters’ of the Egyptian creation myths were actually the flooding of the Nile River, and the land that appeared was the fresh fertile land left by the subsiding waters, bringing new life to green the fields and fattening the livestock in the region. The resurrection of Osiris, with his green head, also symbolises this. Yet there are older gods in Egypt: Quote:
An interesting side note, “…one of Ptah's titles at Thebes was, "The ear which hears”.” …which puts a different angle on biblical parables being declared, “for those with ears to hear.” Quote:
…but we’re getting more into that with the next god… Quote:
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Yet see how this also connects with the bible’s description of it’s god as the potter and we the clay. Now of course this isn’t the whole story for each of these gods, but my point is the similar traits they hold to the characters in the Genesis creation story. So the next question is, which came first? ...or who copied who? The gods mentioned above are some of the earliest known gods of ancient Egyptian culture. It is common knowledge that Egypt existed long before Israel (even according to the bible Israel (Jacob himself) supposedly visited Egypt in the time of Joseph, before the tribes had grown from his offspring). Genesis, it’s claimed, was written by Moses, an Israelite during their captivity in Egypt, yet raised in the Royal Court as a Prince. (This could go into a whole thing about Moses link to Akhenaten here, but let’s just stay with the straight biblical version for now…) By that time Israel had supposedly been living in Egypt for about 400 years, certainly long enough to gain a knowledge of their beliefs. The Torah (which includes Genesis) would had to have been written by ‘Moses’ while the Israelites were in the wilderness, after their exodus from Egypt. Egyptian creation mythology is very old and had already undergone several incarnations by the time Genesis was written, as can be seen above with the overlapping accounts of the creation of man variously by Ptah, Khnum, etc. So what are the timings for these things? Quote:
Here the Israelites build the Eqyptian cities of Pithom and Raamses, believed to be for Ramses II (1279–1213 BCE). Yet in terms of dating, even if it was the first Ramses that would still only put it in 1295- 1294 BCE. Further, ’Pithom’, or’ Per-Tem’, means “House of Atum”. So it’s clear then that both Egyptians and Israelites knew about Atum before the exodus – the earliest ‘Moses’ could have written Genesis. Quote:
Indeed a new god. A god who suspiciously refused to give his name, saying only, 'I Am'... Really, I’ve only scratched the surface here (as following the links above will show), but it becomes obvious, to me at least, that ‘Moses’ created a distillation of Atum, Ptah, Khnum and even Heqet, and who knows how many more (Apophis the serpent), into a new unified religion, under it’s new ‘nameless’ god. After all it’s much easier to maintain order and unity if it’s based on what he and his people already know and can relate to. So maybe bible apologists should be making their case for the Egyptian gods? I mean, give credit where credit is due… I’ve been putting Moses in quotes throughout this post, in deference to the Akhenaten link theory, which I think has legitimacy, yet there are also questions about the name 'Moses' - being an incomplete name. 'Moses' was usually added to an Egyptian Pharoah’s name to mean 'son of', or 'from', or similar. Usually this would be ‘son of’ one of the gods, eg. Ramses = Son of Ra, Tuthmoses = Son of Thoth and so on. So just plain ‘Moses’ doesn’t really make sense unless it’s "...of a ‘nameless’ god."? Possibly the banished Aten? Last edited by 100thmonkey; 11-01-2008 at 06:46 PM. |
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