salvia divinorum

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

because the other thread was deleated by mods! Very surprised that would happen here.

probably bowing down to the "man" at google or something...

Google tow the party line regarding salvia. I thought this place had independant minds who would do fair & balanced reserch before bowing down to big brother & deleating a thread about a subject they probably know nothing about. Maybe some mods with actual knowledge about entheogenic plants would be better..........?

This forum seems to be going downhill fast.

Hope I am wrong.

rant over.

Originally Posted by EYES WIDE OPEN

because the other thread was deleated by mods! Very surprised that would happen here.

probably bowing down to the "man" at google or something...

Google tow the party line regarding salvia. I thought this place had independant minds who would do fair & balanced reserch before bowing down to big brother & deleating a thread about a subject they probably know nothing about. Maybe some mods with actual knowledge about entheogenic plants would be better..........?

This forum seems to be going downhill fast.

Hope I am wrong.

rant over.

It was an Accident! A Mistake! All ready been fully explained!
The Moderators here are VERY FAIR!

Do not jump to conclusions without the facts to back it up!

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

My apologies to all. It just that I used to run a site that had a few artcles on salvia and because of that, paypal & google placed restrictions on the site. paypla were the worst however, stating that I could not use their services anymore because I had salvia artcles on my site. Even though salvia is 100% legal here in the UK. So I hate them now.

Anyway, like I said, apologies to all.

COOL!

They are trying to bring it back but it is going to take time until an Administrator logs back online.

Only an Admin can resurrect a thread.

The Mods here are just as prone to making a mistake as anyone of us...

EDIT: The GOOD SIDE of this for me anyways is this: I never HEARD of this stuff so now I am interested.
See? Now a person as ignorant as myself will shorty be instructed on this topic. hehe!

Hi EYESWIDEOPEN

We already have a thread on this, and it was a genuine mistake by the mod concerned.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...2677#post12677

Once the Admin is online we'll try to get this restored

I just did a Wiki look up on this topic.

Hmmm....sounds 'interesting' for sure.
Will this help in people experiencing OBEs?

Has anyone done this that can explain the 'effects' more so?

[ophiuchus]

very visual and mind expanding.lasts between 10 and 20 minutes.different depending on strength.not a social recreational substance.used to gain spiritual awareness and insite.puts you in another dimension.

Well, that is what I am trying to figure out....

Is this 'Other Dimesion' very similar to an OBE?
Lucid Dream? Astral Projection? Etc?

[dreb13]

there is a video on youtube where a guy claims to talk to "light beings" after taking salvia. search youtube for "salvia light beings." I'm at work right now and cannot post a youtube link...sorry.

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ophiuchus

used to gain spiritual awareness and insite.puts you in another dimension.

This is the induction of a mind altering chemical which may give that impression but their is no evidense to support this theory only the testimony of those who have taken it.

Can the use of such substances be regarded as Spiritual?

Does the promotion of a potentially dangerous substance have a place in the Avalon forum? Mods?

Thanks Dreb...

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30mzNPT7aAU

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4cj-f13SkE

I am going to view them now....

This is the induction of a mind altering chemical which may give that impression but their is no evidense to support this theory only the testimony of those who have taken it.

The very same thing can be said about my own OBE experiences...
It is only testimony!

I do not see a problem with a thread like this.

EDIT: My assumption is that this stuff opens up the Right Side of ones brain.
Simlilar to this woman's stroke.

Jill Bolte Taylor: My stroke of insight
Link: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/j...f_insight.html
BTW: This was 'Testimony' as well....

[killuminati]

I've tried salvia before and it's very hard to try and explain. First off, the people that knock it without any real knowledge aside from their opinions are better off not posting in this thread. It does nothing to contribute to the sharing of experiences.

That said, I feel salvia is like some sort of catalyst to a deep meditation. You need some experience with meditation to truly understand what your mind is doing. Once you've accomplished this, you can start opening your mind more.

During my experiences, I recall the feeling of being pulled out of my body like it was some sort of suit and I was viewing reality from backstage or something. Like I said, it's hard to explain but maybe it's similar to OBEs. The last time I did it, I was communicating with other forms of conciousness (I couldn't see them, but I felt them) and they said that if I wanted to "go" with them, I needed to take another hit. What I understood this to mean was that I would seperate from this physical reality and not return.

That unsettled me enough that I've never smoked it again. Salvia is a very spiritual experience and can work wonders in opening one's mind. However, it's not a recreational drug that is "fun". Once you've tried it, you have no desire to do it again. But I am glad that I tried it, and it's a shame to see it becoming outlawed when there is so much promise with salvia research into things like treating depression. I wish people could have a more open mind about this world, and maybe they need salvia to accomplish just that.

Originally Posted by Phoenix

This is the induction of a mind altering chemical which may give that impression but their is no evidense to support this theory only the testimony of those who have taken it.

Can the use of such substances be regarded as Spiritual?

Does the promotion of a potentially dangerous substance have a place in the Avalon forum? Mods?

I believe it's a natural substance. Peyote, Psilocibin, Ayahuasca etc have been used for millennia in shamanic cultures to help the shaman enter the world of spirit for healing and learning purposes.

Substances like that open people up to new levels of awareness, therefore the powers that be will do everything they can to make them unavailable. The last thing they want is people questioning the reality they dictate.

If we want a ban on the promotion of truly dangerous substances I suggest we start a campaign to make alcohol illegal.

Check this out- I warn you all in advance the language is strong but the message is even stronger.

http://video.google.nl/videosearch?q...sd&hl=nl&emb=0

Enjoy

[raoulduke666]

I've tried myself on a few occasions. It was a little bit pricey when I bought it though. I believe it was either x5 or x10 and it was about 3 grams from what I can remember though. If anyone is thinking about trying it for the first time I suggest either be by yourself or a close friend (just so they can keep an eye out on you so you don't do anything stupid) and in a comfortable environment. And trust me when I say this, it is not, I repeat not, a party drug!

It's defiantly not your typical high, (i.e. marijuana). The effects, from what I can remember can pretty instantaneously when you take your first hit.

-feeling high
-disorientation
-euphoria

It felt like what I was feeling was, that all the images I was seeing with eye's was coming at me like a magnet effect. It's a pretty overwhelming sensation if your not prepared for it. I also had a kaleidoscope effect and everything was swirling all around me but unfortunately it only last 15-20 minutes if your lucky. I say try anything once just to experience it but its nothing REAL spectacular.

[bluestix]

I said this in the other thread but I will say it again.


The shamans say you are supposed to chew fresh Salvia leaves.

Smoking it makes the plant spirit very angry.


Having it smoked it in the past I can say I agree with the anger part.

I have never tried chewing the leaves so I am not sure how that is.


I hate to say this (hiccup), but this place is getting to me…I think I’m getting (hiccup) the fear. -- Dr. Gonzo

[bilderburger w/cheese]

Originally Posted by Old Dood

I just did a Wiki look up on this topic.

Hmmm....sounds 'interesting' for sure.
Will this help in people experiencing OBEs?

Has anyone done this that can explain the 'effects' more so?

i never tried salvia, but i did try the amanita mushrooms after reading mushrooms and mankind by james arthur. he was the most knowledgeable ethnomycologist around until he died/killed in prison (another story).

i actually experienced an OBE from trying the mushrooms. a friend didnt get anything from it, but when he took a 1/4, he had the same experience.

look around online for a vendor (e.g. iamshaman) after youve decided if theyre okay for you... check out erowid as well and read up on some of the experiences. theyre legal. i tried the grade A siberian amanitas. the pantherina species were sold out.

theyre not like psilocybe at all... non-hallucinogenic and not nearly as potent and intense. youll get drowsy and want to lie down. i lied down and fell asleep but wasnt asleep at all. thats when it happened.

arthur, by the way, did his research and came up with the 4 items needed for the religious experience: amanitas, psilocybe, syrian rue, and opium. you can read the whole story in his book, but in a nutshell, a UFO came down and he talked to aliens.

oh... theres other shamanistic herbs to try. theres a dream herb, calea, that supposedly enhances ones dreams.


again, im not promoting anything. do some investigation and decide for yourself.
happy researching!

[Zynox]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Does the promotion of a potentially dangerous substance have a place in the Avalon forum?

I hope the decisions are for respectful sovereign free speech. One alien's poison is another's elixir .... and at the same time, self initiated discernment and discretion by each poster.

Namaste!

[lock'N'load]

Originally Posted by Old Dood

Well, that is what I am trying to figure out....

Is this 'Other Dimesion' very similar to an OBE?
Lucid Dream? Astral Projection? Etc?

Hi Old Dood.

the best way i can explain a Salvia experience would be if you could imagine changing your perception to a 2d or even 1d world.

For me.. my experience was that i was an atom of glue.. stuck to a load of other glue, and it was TERRIFYING! It made me feel so sad because i was stuck there forever with such limited perception.. I actually ran to the balcony and only for my brother and a friend they said i would have jumped..

I was oblivious to my actions in this world because i was so engrossed in my trip .

I wasnt right for weeks afterwords and the magic in my life had gone.

I know many people who have had similarly terrifying experiences and i dont know one person who has anything positive to say about the stuff.

For use in oobe? No! Most definitly not, it casts you into the perception of something most likely inanimate and nothing can prepare you for the experience because when i went into my trip i was an atom of glue, i had always been an atom of glue and as far as i was concerned this reality we are in right now did not exist.

It may differ for other people, i just wanted to give you my perspective on the stuff because so many people seem to think its like taking LSD or Mushrooms, its nothing remotely similar.

For spiritual work i would recomend LSD or mushrooms but only after much study on the substances.

[Dusty Nothing]

I've tried Salvia on a few occasions, all of which being low strengths, and have never had any real effects. Each time it was smoked in a joint (wouldn't recommend)
I do believe that higher strengths may give you an OBE (eaten or bonged?), but I wouldn't recommend Salvia for a religeous experience. In my personal experience the most ''spiritual trips'' I have had have come from some form of magic mushroom.

I appreciate ALL the replies...

I do not think I am going to try this stuff myself.
I am just curious IF it is anything like a 'Regular OBE' (funny...Regular...haha).

My days of doing things like that are far behind me...

However, I can see a well grounded person that is very familier with OBEs trying this stuff to enhance their perceptions....

That would not be me. I am still a n00b at OBEs.

[Marcus]

Really interesting post lock'N'load!

From my experience, Salvia magnifies our true fears - the ones we bury deep within our subconscious. These fears are then shown to us in the form of metaphor or symbolism.

For me, the experience was about death and loss.

I have tried Salvia a number of times - always chewing the leaves as per the Mazatec tradition. What I am starting to believe is that Salvia will not show us 'otherwords' or give a pure spiritual experience until we have overcome our fears. This is why most people who try Salvia always have a frightening experience. And that experience is always symbolical of their fears.

Personally I feel Salvia is a very good tool to confront and overcome our Ego's. But then I haven't tried any other form of entheogen - so I cannot say it is 'better' or 'worse'. I do know however that the Salvia experience is completely unlike any other entheogenic substance.

A whole load of information on Salvia Divinorum can be found on the excellent Erowid website: http://www.erowid.org/plants/salvia/salvia.shtml