[milk and honey]

I thought it was a great post by truthseeker too. I wish it's 3 distinct parts could be represented in separate threads, otherwise each topic may not get the attention it deserves. 1) The St Clair / Wilcock contrast. 2) The Wingmakers controversy and 3) The Mayan calender and associated research -- although i appreciated that they could begin in one place.

Contrasting the St Clair and Wilcock frameworks is very important for several reasons. Firstly as TSeeker noted, notwithstanding their predictions of a positive outcome for humanity, Michael and David's explanations are worlds apart regarding contemporary events and even the metaphysics of personal and planetary change ahead.

Second, only one of them can be correct about the outcome of the US election.

As far as their respective credibility is concerned, i don't think it matters which person is correct about that. Both David and Michael insist on their infallibility in these things but frankly i doubt that claim. While one of them is poised to recieve a lesson in humility come 'Nov 08' they both could probably use one IMO.

Either way, whichever person turns out to be correct regarding the outcome of the US election we can't automatically assume that that person's source (for correct predictions) is of a positive spiritual orientation or that therefore it establishes all their other claims on the rock of truth. That is, we should not suppose that the ability to predict future events automatically qualifies Michael and David -- or their source -- as being trustworthy and truthful regarding their overall intent and agenda.

This is not to cast aspersions on either man but rather to point out an ancient principle of truth... ie, The "siddhis" (the powers) are not necessarily any indication of the spiritual attainment of messenger or source. Black magicians have psychic powers which mimic the spiritual powers of the true Adepts and they have develop[ed that mimickery to a high (black) art. That is, they most often pose (in physical or astral dimensions) as our spiritual brothers and sisters in order to decieve us with lies and close facsimiles of truth which they disguise within a palette of actual truth.

For me, this highlights an under-emphasised aspect of the whole 'ET / UFO' phenomena. While much is made of the 'good ETs' vs 'bad ETs' vying for our planet, not much interest is centred on imposter 'ETs' -- pretending friendship -- whether they're physical or hyper-dimensional... Except of course those commentators who start and end their comments with... "95% of it is rubbish" yet offer very little analysis. To share the details of one's analysis is to expose one's own discernment, intuition and critical thinking skills but this is something that well motivated teachers and seekers are unafraid of.

In a place like this, an in depth interrogation of the various sources and claims is needed so that all can participate in an intelligent conversation and then come to our own conclusions because i for one am seeing that "95% of it" is indeed rubbish.

Not to over emphasise TSeekers example too much but it's not enough to follow someone's opinion who has only offered labels in reply to pertinent questions (about the veracity of 'the wingmakers on this occasion) and for that reason alone we should investigate the claims of those who've been labelled.

I've heard talk of a staged 'ET' attack by the terrestrial power elite but what about a charm offensive by hyper- dimensional beings with a friendly smile? ... And the transmission of predictions, a dodgy cosmology and the promise of high tech global solutions?

I agree there should be no sacred cows.