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Originally Posted by Czymra

Half of the time you simply lose me with what seems to be finickiness. There is too much terminology in most of what is thrown about here, and something just doesn't feel right about it.
Nevertheless, this post was VERY enlightening. Asteram might be just the right catalyst this discussion needs.

Guess everyone has their own view of 'finicky'. The reason i meet James' terminology with terminology is to show that his "new" concepts have been explored and mapped forever. There seems no way around explaining what he's done without illustrating with various examples.

Originally Posted by Czymra

I am not able to present my own 'system of belief' in any depth or profoundness as either of you are, and I think that is good. I have a problem with dogmas, fixed values and the idea of 'good and bad'.

I try to point out the difference between reflections of 'reality' and 'unreality'. The way to prove 'unreality' is to see it for what it is. The vibrations of 'reality' and 'unreality' are discernable and therefore identifiable. For the purpose of discussion it is necessary to conceptually identify both and then to compare and contrast the differences as i see them.

Same with the concept of values'. The vibration of ideas that originate in "true identity" is discernably different to those that originate in the outer mind. I value one over the other in myself and outside myself. The difficulty presented by our need to conceptualise is that we must use 'names' to explain our perception to each other. Thus 'good' and 'bad' are relative to individual orientation and POV. I'd rather be free than be a slave. Someone else would rather enslave me... We may not agree on the idea of 'good' and 'bad' in that case due to our relaive POV. But i can act to ensure i am not enslaved by discerning motive, intent and MO. Like everyone else here i commit my perception to 'paper' and leave it to others to determine value. Is it merely a system of my own dogmatic beliefs? Or am i seeing things as they are?

Originally Posted by Czymra

So let me ask you a few questions in the hope you can give me some answers to make my own path:

As mentioned, I struggle with 'good or bad' and what you describe falls quite clearly into those categories. There is a true and a false hierarchy. There is a Christ and an Anti-Christ, there is negative energy and positive energy.
I can see how these polarities are of importance on our 'plane' but always considered that once you leave the lower planes everything just 'is'. I'm told that the spiritual masters sit there doing nothing because 'everything will be fine, it all goes it's due course. The negative and the positive play their roles to lead everybody to their realisation, eventually they are of no importance since we are all immortal anyway.'

The immortal Self is "true identity". The soul was created by "true identity" to fulfill a creative purpose in matter. It attains immortality IF it fulfills it's creative purpose but, having freewill, this is not guaranteed. The soul can rebel. It can maintain that attitude until it's creative opportunity expires.

The false hierarchy have fostered the idea that all roads lead to Union with "true identity". They would have us believe that the pettiness of the mind of anti-christ is one polarity of the true nature of the ONE. And that therefore it can be chosen as a valid route to Oneness. It is a bald lie and one which is more likely to lead 'believers' to a state of demonhood than buddhahood. Sure everything IS what it IS. Will you choose the low road and sever yourself from "true identity"? Or the high road to conscious Union with "true identity"? That is the real choice. I know you're not suggesting this Czyrma but if all roads led to the same destination (in consciousness) there would be no necessity to exercise freewill and choice. And no need for true teachers to make the choices and the consequences plain to all.

"Master teachers have attained the fruit of discernment... that is, Self-realisation". Discernment leads to enlightened choices which awaken full Self-realisation. Non-discernment results in poor choices which can lead to self-annihilation.

No master sits around 'doing nothing' if "true identity" calls for action. There are cycles of going within followed by cycles of action in the material world. That is the balance of life. The master Jesus demonstrated that balance. He got off his meditation matt and hit the street. He could not choose a life of private bliss while humanity suffered ignorance. He could not remain silent in the face of the abuses of the false hierarchy so he challenged them directly. He 'called out' the false priests on their hypocrisy and exposed their distorted philosophy. He was a man of rare discernment and courage who knew what he was talking about. Guatama attained the enlightenment of "true identity" then likewise got off his matt and travelled far and wide with the message of salvation. He discoursed extensively for ~ 40 years drawing crowds everywhere he went. He taught the 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path of right action. Why did they (and many others) bother if all paths lead to Oneness? If change is to manifest in this world it will come through a changed heart and the actions which spring from it. It won't happen by thought alone or meditation alone or by ignoring the objective manifestations of anti-christ who act in concert to enslave humanity.

Originally Posted by Czyrma

This leads directly into what I think is called the Buddahood, the Satori or similar and as I also mentioned before this seems to tie in with Zen or Buddhism in general.

There is much sectarianism and dissagreement in the buddhist world and the christian world. But here is the kernal of it. Both adepts taught that Buddha and Christ were 'within you' as "true identity". They both self-realised what James is renaming the 'Sovereign Integral'. Like Jesus and Guatama, James teaches that we can manifest "true identity" on this plane of action through the 'human instrument'. Jesus and Guatama demonstrated exactly what that means. Observe the lives of these 2 adepts and you will see the 'Sovereign Integral" / Christ / Buddha in action. Observe their confrontations with the True and false hierarchies, their words and deeds. Then you will see that "true identity" is a revolutionary force for change. If things are out of alignment with cosmic truth -- such as the mass-consciousness, philosophies, systems, institutions -- then "true identity" does not leave things the way IT finds them. IT is not a passive force. IT is a transforming power. IT acts to re-align the outer worlds to inner truth.

Originally Posted by Czyrma

It is thus exemplified that one does not ascend, one just works toward (the gateless gate (James' invisible prison) and being able to pass through it.

"Working toward the gate" leads to ascension. The soul must 'ascend' in vibration to be an instrument of "true identity" else there is no vibrational resonance in matter for conscious Union. It has been variously termed "self-transcendence", "the Divine embrace", the "transmutative epic", "the trial by fire", etc. When the work of Union in matter is complete, the (vibrationally) perfected soul ascends to permanent Union with "true identity" ... "never more to go out or in" ... the two become inseperably ONE. All this should suggest too that the path of 'service to self' is not a path to Union but a vibrational dead end to no-where. It can only re-inforce the low vibration and disorientation of the individual. Until it is forsaken it postpones the day of passing through the gate. The problem with it is that the more it is engaged the more difficult it is to extract oneself from it. The 'gravity' of selfish acts increase the karmic weight of the soul which lead over and again to the 'grave'. All of the harm done must be faced up to in interminable lifetimes and service rendered to balance it.

Originally Posted by Czyrma

Maybe I'm just hung up with the beauty of that idea, but why is that 'wrong'?

It's not wrong, it's beautiful. See the example of Jesus and Guatama; how they demonstrated non-attachment yet both acted with the zeal of "true identity". They were opposed by dark forces but they were not stuck themselves in an oppositional mindset. They asserted truth to the lie and responded to attacks on themselves and others but they were not acting from the level of the lower-ego. They had extinguished the ignorance of the egoic mind and were acting from a higher level of Being. In the center of being there is non-attachment to the fruit of action BUT THERE IS ACTION. While there were apparent struggles in an outer sense - from the egoistic POV of others - the masters acted always from the peaceful heart of true being. There is no fear or agression there. But there is assertive force. See how one can be beyond human notions of "good" and "bad" yet act decisively according to the WILL of "true identity"?

Originally Posted by Czyrma

Lastly, why is it Christ here and Krishna there and I AM in the end? Patchwork-spiritualism is clearly the nature of true discernment but you seem to be quite decisive in your terminology. Does it matter? Do words matter?

I'm with you. I say they don't matter unless they're being discredited through ignorance or malice. You must concede that if i'm going to illustrate James' hollow assertion of "newness" -- of everything including his claimed personal powers -- then my presentation of a historical lexicon of terms and concepts is unavoidable.

Originally Posted by Czyrma

Is Rock'n Roll Music really there to further satan and how could it be that those spells work? This doesn't seem to fit with the well established spiritual philosophies propagated so far, at all for the simple reason that they say 'all is one', how can you then reject another?

All is ONE. Doesn't mean we should present ourselves a doormat for others to wipe their feet on. We have a right to freely walk our path. It is not a right respected by all. Some would utterly enslave us. Consequently, we have to defend the liberty we have. While we all originate in the ONE they exclude themselves from fraternity with us by vibration and intent. First, let them submit to the same path of Oneness with the light. Let them drink from the same fount within themselves. Let them forsake their feeding frenzy on humanity and act like human beings instead of vampires.

We are All One at the level of the Christ-Self. At that level we KNOW Oneness with all life. But we are not obliged to pour the light down the beast's throat in order to 'prove' we love. Nor embrace those who have an implacable hatred of the light and the light bearer. Mind i'm not speaking of relative good and evil. Most people on earth are relatively good and relatively evil. I'm speaking of absolute evil. It exists on earth and it gets away with a lot - in the eyes of man - because it generally is not seen for what it is.

Originally Posted by Czymra

You do not seem to be interested at all in the concept of 'the world is your mirror'.

Just because i have exposed something as i see it, doesn't mean i don't share some responsibility for it's appearance in the cosmic mirror. If i were free of evil i would either be invulnerable in this world or safe in the next. But the objective manifestation of evil would still be in this world whether or not i myself still was. Dark forces don't rely on me for their objective personalities or for the choices they make in this world. That suggests of course that we don't all evolve together. We should, but we don't. Each expresses freewill as one chooses.

Originally Posted by Czyrma

Nevertheless, I have come to be convinced that evil cloaks in the most positive dresses and I am thus extremely weary. This section expresses my thoughts on this better than I could do it myself.
You say to identify the 'false hierarchy' and I completely with you on that regard. However, what then?

Thanks,
Czymra

What then? The Way to achieve invulnerability and to serve in that capacity at any level of reality is to realise "true identity" within. The fullness of that Presence is your shield and your s-word. (your sacred-word). Who knows how and where you are called to serve? Only You.