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Old 12-18-2008, 06:03 AM   #88
asteram
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Default Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot

Thanks, milk and honey, for your definition of false hierarchy. It appears to me that a hierarchy is a hierarchy, so perhaps it would be more accurate to say dark vs light hierarchy or service to self vs service to others hierarchy. Polarities again. Obviously polarities have their place and function or they wouldn't exist. Sitting around on clouds playing the harp would get old pretty fast for me.

Polarity is the same as duality and if all is one, and all is from the same source, then both polarities are necessary and were created of some necessity. I don't get far with God created good and Satan created bad.

I understand that you are offended by the, as you put it, "gall" of the equation

Entity + Source Intelligence = Prime Creator equality

I am not offended at all. I think it's charming.

The WingMakers site does not say that the hierarchy is bad or good. It has a place and function and will continue to do so. The Wingmakers are saying that it is time for a new factor to enter the picture. I'm doing my best to keep this in my own words, but the phrase that is used is something like "First Source is now bursting forth at the foundations", meaning right here on the most dense of all planes.

It will be difficult to discuss this with you if you insist in morphing it into your own mold without having studied the material. I think you should realize that associating anything new you hear with something you already know is a trap. I do see how threatening these Sovereign Integral concepts are to past systems and dogma, but that's how it is. Your arguments so far have a strong resemblance to the sort of fundamentalist thought that I am too familiar with, e.g. anything that disagrees with my dogma is of the devil and evil.

I'm reminded of a conversation I had a couple of months ago with a very intelligent but poorly informed Christian. I brought up the subject of Krishna and Arjuna, which raised his hackles, but all I wished to talk about was the esoteric meaning behind the battle portrayed in the Bhagavad Gita. Well, that set him off even more, as he well knew that anything not of Christian origin was evil, and he associated the Bhagavad Gita with people in orange bedsheets chanting Hare Krishna; to him obviously evil and satanic. His arguments were not informed, nor did he wish to be informed. As for me, I could not care less whether Krishna or Jesus existed as real people or not; that's not important to me, it's the concepts and ideas behind the myths and stories that interest me.

Your attempts to fit the concept of Source Codes into the seven chakras/three subtle bodies mold also shows that you have not studied the WingMakers material, and remember so far we haven't even gotten far into the first few pages of it from ten years ago. You know little more about it than my friend Nigel knows about Krishna and Arjuna; you have simply decided a priori that you don't like it and are attempting to warn me and others away from something you know little about.

So, if you would like to continue the discussion with a little more background, here is a link to a few pages of what I read in the summer of 2000. Its title is "The Shifting Models of Existence" and it compares and contrasts the perspective of the Sovereign Integral with that of the Hierarchy:

http://wingmakers.com/philosophy2.html


Informed opinions carry more weight from my point of view. Please do your best to read it with an open mind, at least the first time through, and not simply as a source of ammunition.

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