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asteram · 12-17-2008, 03:41 AM

milk and honey-

Thank you for the effort that you put into your well written reply. I have read it and I understand your points, but I don't find that it is relevant to my level of understanding. I'm not trying to convert or assuage anyone's skepticism. Skepticism is very healthy and I practice it regularly. The purpose of my previous post was to point out what I found intriguing when I first really read a few dozen pages of the WM material 8 1/2 years ago.

It does not appear that you have studied the WingMakers material in any depth, but that you are selecting and critiquing various small parts of a rather large body of information that has been added to regularly over a period of ten years. For example, there is no differentiation between the "true cosmic hierarchy" and your postulated false hierarchy. The hierarchy referred to is the hierarchy we know, and the slightly fewer than 100,000 initiates mentioned as following the path laid down by the masters are following exactly that traditional path, as yours truly has done, and as I would assume you are doing.

Just because I am looking beyond the hierarchy does not mean that my teachers within the hierarchy were or are charlatans. Far from it. Nor do I reject or devalue the love and effort they put into teaching me.

The Source Codes are not the Chakras. Chakra is another term for what I refer to as the seven seals. I know them from personal experience, one through seven. What the Source Codes are is what I am working on "figuring out", so to speak. It is clear to me that they are not DNA, and I have found no reference to them other than through the WingMakers materials.

Consider what the WingMakers are saying through their representative: The entire spiritual path and organization that we are referring to as the hierarchy, with all of its dimensional permutations throughout the time/space universes, is a construct. Is there anything possibly beyond that construct, so far beyond it, for instance, that even energy doesn't exist? So far outside it that all of the construct could be bypassed?

Evolution/saviorship is one path, the path of the hierarchy, and one that is known to those of us who have studied and walked that path.

The WingMakers are saying that transformation/mastership is a very different route, and it is that one that I am pursuing. If it is a sham, I will figure that out eventually, don't you think? I am no longer easily fooled regarding such matters.

12-17-2008, 03:41 AM	#84
asteram Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Isla de Margarita, Venezuela Posts: 161	Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot milk and honey- Thank you for the effort that you put into your well written reply. I have read it and I understand your points, but I don't find that it is relevant to my level of understanding. I'm not trying to convert or assuage anyone's skepticism. Skepticism is very healthy and I practice it regularly. The purpose of my previous post was to point out what I found intriguing when I first really read a few dozen pages of the WM material 8 1/2 years ago. It does not appear that you have studied the WingMakers material in any depth, but that you are selecting and critiquing various small parts of a rather large body of information that has been added to regularly over a period of ten years. For example, there is no differentiation between the "true cosmic hierarchy" and your postulated false hierarchy. The hierarchy referred to is the hierarchy we know, and the slightly fewer than 100,000 initiates mentioned as following the path laid down by the masters are following exactly that traditional path, as yours truly has done, and as I would assume you are doing. Just because I am looking beyond the hierarchy does not mean that my teachers within the hierarchy were or are charlatans. Far from it. Nor do I reject or devalue the love and effort they put into teaching me. The Source Codes are not the Chakras. Chakra is another term for what I refer to as the seven seals. I know them from personal experience, one through seven. What the Source Codes are is what I am working on "figuring out", so to speak. It is clear to me that they are not DNA, and I have found no reference to them other than through the WingMakers materials. Consider what the WingMakers are saying through their representative: The entire spiritual path and organization that we are referring to as the hierarchy, with all of its dimensional permutations throughout the time/space universes, is a construct. Is there anything possibly beyond that construct, so far beyond it, for instance, that even energy doesn't exist? So far outside it that all of the construct could be bypassed? Evolution/saviorship is one path, the path of the hierarchy, and one that is known to those of us who have studied and walked that path. The WingMakers are saying that transformation/mastership is a very different route, and it is that one that I am pursuing. If it is a sham, I will figure that out eventually, don't you think? I am no longer easily fooled regarding such matters.