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Old 12-16-2008, 05:15 PM   #81
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Default Re: JAMES: The WingMakers Interview on Camelot

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I found it (WMM) entertaining but not greatly so, until I came to the Life Principles of the Sovereign Integral. That got my attention, and has held it ever since:

[I]"The entity model of expression is designed to explore new fields of vibration through biological instruments and transform through this process of discovery to a new level of understanding and expression as a Sovereign Integral."
True. Nothing new here. Elohim created billions of lifestreams in God's image. Each individal I AM Presence ("Sovereign Integral") was created as a fractal of the ONE. Each I AM Presence then projected a soul into materiality (into biological instruments) to experience the vibrational fields of matter. By doing so, each I AM Presence could express Itself Both in Spirit AND matter to the extent that the soul awakens and gives expression to it's source... the I AM.

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"The Sovereign Integral is the fullest expression of the entity model within the time/space universes, and most closely exemplifies Source Intelligence's capabilities therein."
True. Nothing new here either. The I AM Presence / the Father / Brahma / Sovereign Integral / is actually 'rooted' beyond the time/space universes in the spiritual universe. It's Will is to (vibrationallly) descend into the receptive soul and express the Whole Identity through the 'cup' of matter to "fill the earth (plane) with the glow-ray of the LORD" (the I AM).

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"It is also the natural state of existence of the entity that has transformed beyond the the evolution/saviorship model of existence and has removed itself from the controlling aspects of the Hierarchy through the complete activation of its embedded Source Codes. This is the level of capability that was "seeded" within the entity model of expression when it was initially conceived by Prime Creator........
In this paragraph James is trying to use one concept of truth - which i've already established is nothing new - to give a backhander to 3 more concepts of truth. His desire to excise the 'familiar' is evident throughout the whole WMM. He has established his own brands for age old concepts which he has mis-defined and mis-represented with such surgical precision i am sure it's deliberate. To explain:

1) Evolution -- James speaks of the soul's spiritual awakening as the "activation of source codes" which is basically just another new brand for the chakras. The awakening of the soul (to the I AM) is a process that comes to a point of "combustion" and rapid acceleration of the evolution of the soul. In truth, the soul realises the I AM by degrees until conscious Oneness is perfected. That is why the process has been called "the Path". The soul evolves by a process of initiation to attain full realisation of the "Godhead" as Self. The chakras are activated by the spiritual self in the process.

To dismiss the concept of 'evolution' where it relates to the soul's journey back to (the self-realisation of) God is semantic rubbish. It allows James to pretend that everyone else who ever referred to the term 'evolution' for spiritual growth is less evolved than himself who, as he loves to presume, is uniquely wise in these matters.

2) Saviorship -- Although he was the "messiah" prophesied in the old texts, Jesus never taught the fundamentalist christian misunderstanding that his human personality is the "savior" of the world. He taught that the 'saviour' is within you. So, while James has every right to dismiss the fundamentalist misunderstanding of the term "savior' he has no right, in truth, to join them in fuelling a misconception which a) Jesus never taught; and b) which has already been exhaustively explained by Jesus and other adepts ever since. The inner-Christ is our saviour. Salvation (self-elevation) can only be found within, by degrees, as our souls evolve on the path of self-transcendence.

Are we to intellectually dismiss any teaching that uses concepts like 'spirit/soul/God'? evolution? Saviorship? James hopes so. "It's all passe you know. Just an "old model, time for a trade in"

Obviously it's not passe, they're just different terms describing the same ideas that James has rebranded.

3) Hierarchy -- A prior post quoted James'/WM as saying: "

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... there are slightly fewer than 100,000 initiates who are presently incarnated on earth who are following the Wisdom Path loosely established by the Hierarchy, that is to say they are following the principles set forth by the masters...
He acknowledges a positive Cosmic "Hierarchy" here but in the quote above it (written in red) the 'WM' speak of the entity having transformed itself from the controlling aspects of the "Hierarchy". No differentiation is made in the 'WM' terminology between the true Cosmic Hierarchy and the controlling "false hierarchy". They are both referred to as "Hierarchy". This is unusual for the 'WM's usually technical lexicon. I believe the reason for that is deliberate but subtle.

James' 'WM' assert that everyone is "equal". (So did the Communist Manifesto if i recall.) The 'WM' refer to "Hierarchy" in the same regard, they're "equal" too. And let's not forget to include the "false hierarchy of the NWO" in the term: "Hierarchy" because they're equal too right?" They're "equal" to each other, "equal" to the true cosmic "Hierarchy" and of course "equal" to you and me. If the 'WM' are taken at 'their' word, everyone in the entire multiverse is "equal".

Of course none of that is true. After all, individual attainment is fundamental to the concept of true Hierarchy - but what wonderful fodder can be made from the concept of human "equality" based on the lie of cosmic equality. Yes, every individual and his/her works (karmic energy) is made from the same essential "stuff" and each soul has the same origin, ie... the individual I AM Presence. But each has expressed freewill differently. Consequently, quality varies enormously on earth and in the multiiverse. There is a vast difference between a demon entity in the lower astral plane who has misqualified all it's energy and a cosmic Creator in Cosmic Hierarchy who has qualified IT'S energy as intended to serve Cosmic purpose.

Why emphasise "equality" so much? Why pretend Hierarchy are "equal"?

In a nutshell the 'WM' scammers are retaining for themselves and their 'human representatives' in a NWO, the priveledge of Hierarchical position on earth - therefore they acknowledge 'Hierarchy' in their cosmology - yet they will insist on "equality" for everyone else on earth. Anyone not "for them" who raises their "unequal" heads above the mob will be accused of trying to create a "false hierarchy" when in actual fact it is they (the NWO's 'WM) who are (even now) a part of a false hierarchy. They will try to accuse you of the same thing they are doing themselves. Everyone in communist Russia and China were "equal" too, just some were more "equal" than others, if you get my drift. If you didn't swallow their whole philosophical foundation and every single policy which sprung from it YOU were labelled a "reactionary" and removed from the crowd. YOU were "weak minded", "lazy hearted", "attacking the system", "not up to the challenge" of utopia building .... yes YOU were "undiscerning".

There is no equality so the only means to pretend there is is to enforce equality.

These phony utopias always promise "equality" at a high standard of living for all but they always shatter their promises (as intended) by maintaining their own "false hierarchy" who cream the wealth as they've always done. But first they must give us a philosophy we can "believe in", something to rally around, something to feel superior about. Something "brand new."

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"The transformational experience is the realization that the entity model of expression is capable of direct access to Source Intelligence information, and that the information of Prime Creator is discovered within the entity level of the Sovereign Integral. In other words, the human instrument, complete with its biological, emotional, and mental capabilities, is not the repository of the entity's Source Codes........"
True. Nothing new here except another new name, "source codes". The human instrument is not the source of the I AM Presence wherein the soul has access to all information. Likewise the I AM Presence is not the source of IT'S creator.


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"....... Source Reality and sovereign reality become inseparable as wind and air.
The I AM Presence is one with IT'S Source. Yet the soul, haven fallen in vibration and consciousness, is not resonant and conscious of Oneness with the I AM until it changes it's negative orientation. When the soul awakens to the I AM and loves the inner Presence more that it's habitual appetites (of egoism) then the 2 will become inseperable.


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"This confluence is realized only through the transformational experience, which is unlike anything known within the time-space universes.'
All who've spoken of the experience of "confluence" / Oneness" have exulted in it's transformational and unique character. Some of these people have actually had the experience and others have not.

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"There have been those upon terra-earth who have experienced a shallow breath of wind from this powerful tempest. Some have called it ascension, others have attributed names like illumination, vision, enlightenment, nirvana, and cosmic consciousness. While these experiences are profound in human standards, they are only the initial stirrings of the Sovereign Integral........What most species define as the ultimate bliss is merely the impression of the Sovereign Integral whispering to its outposts of form....."
As the adepts have always taught. The soul is evolving on the spiritual path. The breath of spirit may be shallow at first as the soul awakens to the inner Presence. But the experience leads to greater degrees of initiation and realisation of Source. Countless souls have successfully been through that. By presuming to know the depth of others' experience James gives the impression of one who knows. Of course there's a difference between a shallow breath and the Giver of life itself. The adepts did not mistake the sun's rays for the sun itself. Jesus who ascended, Guatama who attained nirvana and Yogananda who attained cosmic-consciousness (to name 3 teachers) were all ONE with "true identity". What James refers to as the Sovereign Integral and what those 3 adepts referred to as Christ, Buddha and the Divine Beloved are one and the same "true identity". By denying that, who does James think he is fooling?

Why belittle their terms? Why pretend they experienced inferior states of consciousness to the real thing? James' assertions are clever for their purpose. First he says, "a shallow (spiritual) breath is not full realisation of the real thing." Of couse not, so that's agreeable... then it's all downhill from there. Next, "the shallow breath was really just nirvana, cosmic-consciousness, ascension" which are really "just profound by human standards but not the real thing"... "they're just the initial stirrings of the "SI". No they are not. James is trying to bellitle the adepts teachings with his superior dismissals so he can strip people of the value they may have found elsewhere. Or he's injecting triggers aimed at people who are yet to find the adepts teachings. He wants our undivided attention and will discredit anything to capture it.


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"The transformational experience is far beyond the calibration of the human drama much like the stars in the sky are beyond the touch of terra-earth."
I've heard that description many times.

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What was this?? This was not anything I had been exposed to before:

transformed beyond the the evolution/saviorship model of existence?

removed itself from the controlling aspects of the Hierarchy?

the complete activation of its embedded Source Codes?

No evolution or savior needed? No Hierarchy either? And the human instrument is not the repository of what Source Codes?
We have not been exposed to such distortion, theft and discredting of so many well established truth concepts in a while, thats for sure.

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This was new. This was very new. In 2000 I was 48 years old. I had read and studied hard; attended, for years, an esoteric school that imposed harsh disciplines; opened and experienced the seven seals, wandered alone in the wilderness, taken all of the plants and drugs to experience alternate doors of perception. I had never come across these concepts before.

The daring! The nerve of making the claim that the highest spiritual experiences of humanity were merely a shallow breath of wind! That one could move beyond the control of the spiritual Hierarchy! Heresy was what it was, and it charmed this born heretic to his toes. This was not your grandmother's enlightenment.
Maybe you only found false teachers who misrepresented the truth of the ages. Your grandmother probably knows better than James.

The nerve alright. I'd have said "The gaul".

You won't move beyond the spiritual Hierarchy, you will take your place in it. You will hopefully move beyond the false hierarchy though. ie, the NWO, their astral counterparts and all imposters of the true Hierarchy on earth.


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Reading further, the heresy became, well, even more heretical, culminating in this outrageous equation:

Entity + Source Intelligence = Prime Creator equality.
This is not exactly heresy. You will reach the attainment of your Creator. Your Creator will have moved on to greater attainment. We are part of the 'Tree of Life'. All are growing. The same river runs through all. But equality is an illusion in a universe of freewill and growth.

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