[milk and honey]

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

Milk and Honey said "The WMM discredits Jesus"

you must have missed that part of the website, where James tells us that Jesus is the leader of the Lyricus Teaching Order, and is very involved in this teaching... I posted it in another thread, and will post it again here so that you can see, that what you BELIEVE about the WMM are not necessarily what they are teaching...

No i didn't miss it at all.

I said in various posts that James discredits many of the teachings and concepts used by Jesus yet incongruously, saves a respected place for him in the WM cosmology. The reason i say it's incongruous is because i illustrated the core teachings of Jesus, Guatama and Krishna to show how they were all essentially the same and i then outlined how James had dismissed many of the concepts they taught as products of the human mind system. I suggested on another post too that James was most likely using Jesus name as just a convenience in order to cast the net as widely as possible. The Galactic Federation do the same thing with sananda/jesus..

I indicated also that James had lifted the core teachings of these and other adepts, renamed them and then claimed they originated from the wingmakers.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

you just keep making yourself look more and more IGNOREant with every post...again I wonder what your agenda is, by discrediting the WMMs...perhaps you have something better to offer, than saving your self?

Why, because you forgot what i wrote?

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

What you apparently fail to understand is that the WMMs are not associated with any ORG (on Earth)...there is NO LEADER, no doctrine, no rituals, no dogma, and no clergy... they are "tool" created to help humanity wake up and recognize who they ARE...

1) James is the leader pretending singularly unique personal powers and singularly unique cosmic responsibilities.

2) There is a complex doctrine in complex language aimed at the intellect.

3) The breathing exercises (which are not new) are a ritual but nothing wrong with that.

4) In various posts you dogmatically insist on the veracity of all details.

5) You're behaving like WM clergy, rushing about with clerical zeal putting out heretical fires wherever they appear.

6) There is likely organisational weight behind the WMM, possibly illuminati.

I don't accept the WMM was created to help anyone awaken to who they are, although unavoidably for it's veiled purpose, there is a fair portion of truth in the WMM.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

No one can do this for you...the work that needs to be done must be done by you, by searching withIN your self, for your "true idenity" and then learning how to express it through the Human Instrument. You can't just read the materials and say, oh yes, I know what a Sovereign Integral is... you have to experience it for yourself.

Deja-vu.

This is precisely what every spiritual teacher worth their salt has always taught, forever. Nothing wrong with that. All the adepts and their messengers taught that one must experience IT for oneself. "True identity" has gone by so many names at different times in different cultures that i won't list them all here. Just a few of those names are :

'Christ', 'Buddha', 'Krishna', 'Brahma', 'Atma', 'Bodhi', 'Dharma-kaya', I AM that I AM etc etc etc.

James calls it "Sovereign Integral"? Fine, but let us not pretend that a new name is a new revelation. The necessity to awaken to "true identity" is now so well accepted by modern seekers that no false teacher fails to include it in their own construct. Countless false teachers have done so throughout the 20th century (and before) and many continue to do so in the modern channelling phenomena. It has become a staple of parrots, guaranteed to attract seekers like bees to pollen.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

Until you have actually done that, you can not KNOW what you are talking about...

I agree.

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

...which obviously you don't. I suggest that you allow other to forumulate their own opinions without blanketing the interview with your own insecurities.

Others will formulate their own opinions anyway. Compare the interview and James website with my few posts. 1000 to 1. If you're suggesting that the motive for recording my POV on the forum is "insecurity" i'll just add that to the list of reasons which your ego has produced in order to justify why anyone with objections to the WMM might speak up. To repeat a few already on the list: "weak minded", "Lazy hearted", "not up to the challenge", "undiscerning", "intellect driven", "fearful", "disrespectful", "misrepresenting James"...

Originally Posted by ENdJOY

If the interview resonates the heart strings, then you have your own "proof" ... if it does not, then move on to something that does...but to bash at James, and to misrepresent what he is sharing is disrespectful...and if you are as "sensitive" as you pretend to be, then you would certainly not Do unto others, what you would not have them do unto you... Please, give it a rest... you never make yourself look good, when you belittle others.

Resonance can be a tricky thing because the very best propaganda is calculated to resonate. But i take your point... Perhaps what i've had to say will resonate with someone.

I'm doing no-one any harm.