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Originally Posted by pilot
Sanat,
The second part of your post is something that I agree with and am not having trouble conceptualizing in the least.
Energy
Vibration
These are the things that earthbowl wanted elaborated on...you say they are "related" Endjoy is holding forth about the difference between energy and SI.
I am of the opinion that vibration is energy of varying degrees.
To the point, if James says vibration and concludes that SI is without energy, you can see that this might be rather confusing...and I thought the whole point was to simplify this journey within to the silence.
It's beginning to look a lot like orthodoxy.
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Again my response is partly to you and partly general:
Perhaps you should find the original quote where he talks about "vibration" connected with SI. I cannot find it at least. Here is the other quote:
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In the dimensions of the Sovereign Integral there is no energy. There is no fluctuation of energy. There is no yin-yang of energy. Energy is a concept of the mind. So those who spend endless hours working with energy, where has it taken you?
Energy exists in the HMS. It is real in the physical world. It is indisputably a part of the human instrument, and yet, the Sovereign Integral is constant, aware, awake, observant, alive, infinite, and, as odd as it may seem, it is not energy. It is not of energy. It does not require energy. It is not existent because of energy. Before there was energy there was the Sovereign Integral. Before there was a Human Mind System, there was the Sovereign Integral.
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Jesus said: "Before Abraham was, I am." Everything in Creation is of energy/matter vibrating (as you say). But science tells us that matter/energy on the quantum level is mostly pure emptiness. There is 99.9% emptiness that runs through everything. Vibrating Energy/matter pops in and out of this emptiness at an extremly fast rate. Thus, the universe/illusion "dies" and is "reborn" all the time at such a fast speed that motion seems fluid to us (much like the images on a tv screen). This emptiness is the mystery Source of All-that-is. It is constant, aware, alive and infinite. The many layers of HMS is covering up our conscious Identity with this Aware Emptiness (Source or SI).
A human BE-ing should die and be reborn afresh many many times each second just like the Universe itself (this is actually the case but cannot be percieved directly as long as the HMS is in the way). And thus live in the peak of the eternal Presence/Now. But the accumulated mind-prison (HMS) is too heavy with unprocessed (unforgiven) past, which again to a certain degree "determines" our future (karma), and thus makes us worry about that. The mind (HMS) is trapped in the past/future and constantly "juggling" between past/future to keep things in a sort of balance. The Sovereign Integral is where the mind cannot be; in the eternal Present. The quantum breath method can give us short "gamma glimpses" of the Aware Emptiness (Source/SI) which can be said to exist
between (but also
before as it is
primary) "thoughts" (or HMS matter/energy/content). There is Oneness only in the pure quantum emptiness which runs through all things (everything else is an illusion of separation).
Since Source "wants us to Awake" it will "meet us halfway" so to speak. We need to be willing to do the work on ourselves (forgive and let go of all past), and Source will do its part ("God helps he who helps himself"). Getting these "gamma glimpses" of SI is crucial for moving in the right direction, and for the motivation to do so. A person that has experienced such a glimpse (even if he/she is illiterate) knows more than a person that has read all the books in the world. He/she is also richer than any Rockefeller. All info is distorted because it cannot capture the truth of SI. Art/poetry comes closest and "makes a bridge" as he says. But emptiness cannot be captured by form, although form can be captured by emptiness. It is that simple.
Love,
Sanat