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Originally Posted by Doom

The new age wasn't ever a free, grass roots movement, it was created from the top down, that is well documented. Just because you say this instance was the 'first to deal with many subjects' doesn't make it true. They always put out the guys who tell you the stuff first to make sure you follow them. They (the PTB) put out many of the conspiracy theories first before anyone else does, they put out the truth themselves but attatch it to so many lies and disinfo, that when someone comes along with the real truth afterwards, they are discredited because they didn't come out first and aren't going along with the attatched dis-info.

Yes, but in the case of spirituality it's the other way around. A spiritual teaching is released first then along comes the PTB to hijack and twist it to their own advantage. That way the spiritual truth is discredited by association with the PTB's nonsense. Believe it or not the differences are often subtle. Their objective is achieved when non- discerning souls either accept it in toto OR reject it in toto. Either way you lose.

I think you've got the aliens fairly well covered but you fail to sort the wheat from the chaff in your total dismissal of the catch-all you refer to as the "new age". Like so many other 'truth seekers' who've written books on the "new age" you've tossed everything into it including legit spiritual teachings released first by legit spiritual teachers. Those who can't see the differences are spinning their wheels and will likely end up in the same ignorance as people who accept the "new age" unreservedly. Neither extreme is a winning formula.

I know there's a lot of balony in the "new age". Usings labels to dismiss the truths which you've snared within that label allows you to avoid what you don't understand or haven't verified personally. So long as you keep doing what your doing you can remain authoritive by denying all metaphysical experiences, real or otherwise. All you have to do is keep using your catch-all labels, keep denying plausable alternative realities (ie, the repetitive MO of the PTB in stealing the ID and truth of legit spiritual teachers) and keep telling people they're mentally ill or decieved if they can personally verify the multi-dimensional nature of themselves and the universe.

That would be unfortunate because you appear to have reached a cul-de-sac from which you cannot emerge. You're in so deep your ego cannot allow you to acknowledge the reality of spiritual law, spiritual beings or experience in the spiritual / material multi-verse. Yet all these exist and are an essential part of awakening and gaining self-mastery. There are no lasting victories without realising spiritual potential. It is the source of potent action not a delusion to escape into.

Certainly the PTB disseminate their claptrap from the top down. It is well documented, as you say. And you're correct that being first to release info (ie, the vast majority of Jesus teachings or certain of Phylos' teachings) doesn't make it true. But, as i continue to reiterate; in their attempt to poison the stream, the most transparent MO of the PTB throughout history is to STEAL the ID and teachings of legitimate sources of spiritual truth and salt it with their own spin. They did this to Jesus and his teachings and they're doing the same to Phylos and his teachings and to others. The distorted mask worn by the PTB is woven from the strands of truth and the origin of that truth is spiritual.

Originally Posted by Doom

And right, possibility think doesn't make something true OR untrue, but possibilty think is faith based, there is no evidence, only a possibilty. We have to base our solutions on what we know and can prove, not on faith.

"Faith", in the exoteric understanding, is something one "believes". But as i've said, one can "know" things which there is no possibility - at a given time - of scientifically proving to someone else. And the PTB are not about to confess that they rip off the true adepts and their teachings. But i know they have.

Originally Posted by Doom

BTW, i recommend finding some of the other threads on this forum about the oneness movement, and the new age, there has been some decent posts and threads with lots of info. If you would trace find the origin of these ideas that you are talking about like "possible habitation of higher dimensions of reality", you'll find this is complete propoganda, and is exactly what the new age is all about trying to make people think, and it ultimately does not lead us to freedom, but only to be further trapped in our own mind. But I do agree like I said before with many of the universal truths in the new testament which often come in jesus' messages, but you have to relize that they have spun the truth in the messages off into the bizzare using the new age, as the new age takes from many older religions including Buddhism, Hinduism, Gnosticism, and of course Christianity, etc. So be careuful of how you interpret the messages and meanings. Especially be careful not to fall for the exoteric meanings given for the public, and look to the esoteric meanings. the new age is often mistaken for true spirituality.

Me saying "possible habitation of higher dimensions of reality" was an invitation to you to consider the possibility. Science has already proven the reality of higher dimensions and so have i by a different route. Whether or not science had recently proven it is immaterial to me in the same way it was immaterial to Jesus and Guatama. They knew it and so do many others. They ascended into the spiritual plane and so can we, one by one as we awaken NOT en masse in 2012 or any other time.

You've cautioned me to gain an esoteric understanding of the religious texts. So far as words can tell i've been explaining my esoteric understanding in this thread and others by quoting the adepts who clearly also know of higher dimensions of personal and cosmic reality. (ie, Jesus, Guatama, Phylos etc). True spirituality enables one to verify spiritual truth wherever it appears whether in the old religious texts or the modern.

The few reliable teachings found in what is termed the "new age" do take concepts from older religions because there is truth in older religions (discernable below the surface). The true spiritual teachers of humanity are trying to show the continuity of their teachings through different cultures over a long time. They planted their veiled truths in the historical stream in many places. The false "priests", ancient and modern, always seek to misrepresent that spiritual truth and to spin it to their own 'advantage'. Consequently you will also find attempts in the "new age" to distort and spin the old religions. It is up to each individual to discern the difference.

Even so, no well motivated spiritual teaching is totally error free because it is recieved and scribed by a human being. If there are errors there, we've been taught by all spiritual teachers worth their salt to discern and resolve them through our own inner-spirit which is the ultimate source of confirmation. Debate can only inform that process but can't resolve it.

Cheers Doom.