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Old 12-04-2008, 07:21 AM   #121
recallone
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Default Re: What is 2012? (or "The Great Harvest")

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Hi Magamud and Recallone

Just a little point on the matter of 'inward' and 'outward' thinking and 'flaws' as mentioned in your posts

As I trawled my way through the mountains of information, views, beliefs and so on I obviously encountered all manner of material supporting all manner of beliefs. Being cerebral and analytical - since I think these are necessary tools - I looked for, and encountered, flaws, contradictions and so on even amongst writers who appear to have generated quite a following (e.g. Blavatsky and Bailey, Icke et al).

Philosophically speaking, I can't see a way to actually get to a 'truth'. All we have in terms of research is what is offered to us by others who claim to 'know' but who themselves are often relying on the information provided by others. Or at worst are making it up in order to make a coin or two. So where should we go from here? Is it having faith in our own common sense? Or is it settling with the view that resonates -
Yes, it's both. But never settling. What does your heart tell you is the truth? If the information that's being presented doesn't resonate 100% with you, then something is amiss. When an alleged absolute is being presented as fact based upon the information provided by others rather than the information intuited and simply uncovered, then one must employ their egoic, analytical mind to sort through it. The ego shouldn't be relegated as a useless hindrance to ascension but a steward for the higher self.

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and are either particularly reliable since we must all necessarily start with a bias/worldview built up over years of experiencing the world, each with our own small window and perspectives?
This is the stage in the game where we're supposed to be learning from the bias/worldview (or programming) from yesterday in order to determine when it's being used to manipulate us today.

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For me, going 'inward' isn't about mountain-top consciousness. I've found too many contradictions to settle into a camp. It's about finding my own relationship with the matter. I don't 'follow' any one belief or any one authority.
Good. Keep that about you.

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The clearing out of my rucksack did involve understanding the notion of personal responsibility, victim mentality, the tendency to blame others for where I was in life.
Exactly!So when something is presented that dismisses the notion of personal responsibility, don't you think it prudent to question it?

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In this sense going 'inward' didn't mean I came to the conclusion that all is illusion - more that my responses had tended to be automatic, that I was still relying on some outside force to give me information and that I needed to self-audit on a regular basis to check that I wasn't reacting according to the same templates.
When we just write our thoughts, the greatest truths reveal themselves. None of the answers are outside of you. So anything announcing that a savior outside of you is going to save you is something to be suspicious of.

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Don't worry about "hijacking", Allie. Your thoughts/experience is much appreciated. Indeed, that is what sharing is about. Arguing over a given "positionality" is meaningless as it only inflames the ego and further polarizes the one's indulging in such activity. If you really want to add value to the thread than you share from your own experience. That is much appreciated indeed...
Sanat, that's good advice...but you aren't even following it. You're preaching the text of other people outside of you and using words like "positionality" to somehow lessen the experiences and perspectives of others like myself. This isn't even about taking a position, but trusting the messiah that's in every one of us to discern what is and what is not accurate guidance.

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All those focused on "surviving" 2012 etc. are in reality missing the opportunity to face their mortality in a honest way. All those placing blame on others/the world/elite etc. are in reality blaming Creator/Creation as there is only One life being lived.
Really? And is expecting a savior somehow different from those that you say are laying blame? We did this to our world. We are responsible for the present condition of our world. Saying that someone else is to blame makes about as much sense as expecting someone (or some thing) else to save us from ourselves.


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It takes tremendous courage to look at oneself, instead of blaming/projecting it on to others/the world/elite etc.
Truer words are seldom spoken. But I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around how the other side of the coin is different. We've got to look at ourselves, true - but then hand off the ultimate responsibility of our salvation to someone else? This piece of the puzzle is not fitting so well.

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The humility that is needed for such an "inward turn" is incredible. So strong is the grip of the ego/mind complex in many many humans that they would rather die than to admit they are "wrong".
You sure got that right. The ego is very much interested in being right. But let's not confuse the true purpose of the ego in an attempt to validate the ego's wayward, programmed tendencies. The ego is never satisfied with now - it's forever existing in the past and in the future. Are you okay with being wrong tomorrow? Are you okay with being wrong yesterday? If all else other than now has been relegated as unimportant, then what are any of us attaching ourselves to? The answer: An illusion.


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There is only one "enemy" and only one "anti-christ" and that is the ego/mind inside that has not been tamed. As long as your ego/mind/astralparasite complex makes you percieve "outside" enemies, you are lost in the illusion of life.
And transversely, if you perceive salvation as coming from an outside source, then you are also lost in the illusion of life.

The unchecked ego has been demonized by many, and for just cause! The ego wants to label, divide, judge, and compare. But the unchecked ego is a product of our religions, our media, our philosophies and dogma. As we progress in our awareness, shouldn't we use this knowledge to intentionally redefine the purpose of the ego? Give it a new job description instead of whipping it and labeling it as our downfall. And when information activates the programming that the ego soooooo loves to feast on, pull the reins and remind it of its' new job description. Who's in charge, here?

My motivation for sharing in this thread was not (and is not) to argue or be right. And I don't want anyone to be wrong. I simply want my brothers and sisters to remember who and what they are:
Divine.
Connected.
One.
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