[Chris1617]

Hi Ara,

[QUOTE]It is highly unlikely, if not impossible, these will be either in the far past or the far future as Source will see its best course as a logical and coherent progression in all aspects of evolution.

*** It seems it is assumed that a person experiencing a human lifetime is more spiritually advanced than a person who lived 5000 years ago. I stand by my statement that reincarnation is not 'linear' as we think of time. However, maybe there are different 'courses' for different types of 'evolutions'? Now that's a thought isn't it?
It’s not so much the person as the spirit that is more advanced. Each lifetime enriches the spirit and so generally speaking a spirit now will be a bit more evolved than it was 5,000 years ago. Humans are a little more difficult to assess if going way back in time, due to the colonization of earth by advanced races in tens and hundreds of thousands of years ago. Some of those could be said to be more advanced than we humans are and some more barbaric. All the souls will have evolved to some degree, however. Reincarnation is not linear from the Sovereign Integral perspective, but from the individuated spirit and the human housing that spirit it is experienced as linear. Reincarnation actually defies description, because it is only the spirit which reincarnates, but it does not really experience the physical realm; it is the physical human that does. Yet the human does not reincarnate. S/He dies each time never to return; a new personality appears for the spirit to house, and that personality may have some traits of the previous one but the DNA and personality are essentially different, as are the environment, upbringing and experiences shaping the character and person.

This means that a spirit does not incarnate in a time or situation vastly different from its own evolutionary level.

*** My understanding is that advanced spirits do incarnate into lower evolutionary soul-minds to assist in the evolution of that soul-mind.
I was under the impression that what you refer to as the “soul-mind” was the spirit. Spirits incarnate into humans and individuals that are most compatible for it to have the experiences it needs. How the mind of that human will develop – it is rudimentary at birth -- will depend upon a number of factors: physical and DNA and genetic circumstances of the parents, environment, experiences, how the thinking develops, and how the individual responds to the ideas and frequencies of the spirit as it goes through its life.
Advanced spirits usually come in to assist the species, or the evolution of the genetic mind rather than one individual.
The spirit of you and I will therefore not IMO incarnate next in the past because it has had the experiences it needs from the past and -- most importantly -- the frequencies of the planet in the past are not in harmony with the spirits of today.

Simply put, we have evolved beyond the past. Yes. Simply put.

***In this inter dimensional time line reality.
It is the only one that really concerns us. We are only ever on our time line reality. The Sovereign Integral perspective is valuable for showing us the cosmological overview, the greater picture and as a sign post and guide to the future that from its perspective we already are, but we cannot literally live life as the Sovereign Integral. One reason the human does not remember all their previous lives is because it would overload the human mind causing it to break down and detract from the work, lessons, and progress at hand. The life of the Sovereign Integral is different from our own. We can invite its qualities into our life and learn much from it on a continual basis, but insisting its perceptions of time and lives be our own would be impractical. We’d never make an appointment to meet anyone or get anything done if we lived the reality that all time is one (which it actually is in the cosmic sense).
To over simplify the analogy it would be like a NASA space scientist being made to go and live with a tribe in the jungle, which is not only unnecessary it is wasteful: he can better serve at NASA; and the tribesman can better serve in the jungle. Each has their place, so too, the past and future, otherwise evolution would be a chaotic mess.

*** Sometimes the past needs to learn from the future and the future needs to learn from the past.
Yes, and this occurs often. But one doesn’t go and volunteer an entire lifetime there. It best happens only when the time is right. Traveling there one could get stuck and remain there, because the spirit is generally held by the planetary frequencies. It would then have to wait for the planet to evolve along the timeline to where you were in the future before incarnating again. It’s all to do with spirit and planetary frequencies. We could travel to the future or past and learn and see both in visions via the genetic mind and learn a great deal, and as we correct the flaws in our genetic makeup that have existed since before we came to this planet this will happen much more in the future aiding us immensely. The biggest advances, of course, will come from the future, rather than the past. We will learn much from the very ancient past too, but not by going there to be born; we would have to wait for millions of years for our next birth if we did that until that time caught up with our own. Maybe that’s nothing in the near eternity of the universe, but I’ll pass on the option. Remember our individuated spirits are not the Sovereign Integral. Each individuated spirit is on its own path of evolution which is basically linear, even though that is not how the Sovereign Integral sees it from its perspective of the spirit having fulfilled its evolutionary purpose to oneness with it and other spirits.

The same, according to Meier, goes for the future: The future earth is of a higher frequency, more advanced, and our spirits need to evolve up to that level before they can incarnate there.


It would be only a very advanced spirit that could in theory incarnate in our future e.g. a more advanced being in every respect from somewhere else in the cosmos that e.g. came here and accidentally died here; but even that spirit will have to wait for the planet’s frequency to catch up with its own before an incarnation could take place, and as time as such doesn’t matter to Source or the spirit it is a mute point.

*** A spirit is clothed in physical DNA, as long as the two are merged in potential there should not be a problem. All the energies which come together to form one's "bodies" come from creation itself.
Many of the energies and reality for the physical body come from the parents.
If an incoming spirit is more advanced then extra "folds" are placed into that person's Being to accommodate that advanced spirit.
This does happen, but it is not a general rule.
It is like trying to place a 100 watt light globe into a light socket which can only take 50 watts, the thing blows a fuse, however if you stick the 100 watt globe into a socket which can in potential accommodate an 100 watt globe there is no blow out. As long as the physical and spiritual frequencies merge in potential there is no problem.
When I speak of future above I mean far in the future 10-30,000 years. We – our spirits -- are all continuously incarnating into the future to some degree.

This is another reason why intergalactic species do not mix en mass with other species lower on the evolutionary scale, like on this planet, on an open and free basis: there is so much at stake if something goes wrong.

*** Off World intelligences are very much mixing with the humans on this planet. Not only are they hybridizing their physical DNA with human physical DNA some of those Off World Intelligences are incarnating into the hybrid forms themselves.
I would not endorse these as being on a much higher evolutionary level than ourselves -- if that. Some of them are not even human but are androids, and this may well be another reason why androids are chosen for intergalactic work by lesser advanced space traveling species. We – our spirits -- once traveled through space millions of years ago too. It is the advanced ones like the Federation ETs that don’t interact with us much at all – until we evolve more.
The only thing lower on the evolutionary scale here is the 'human soul-mind'. It is the parameters of the human soul-mind which are extending (evolving) via merging and interaction with Other Intelligences.
The genetic mind of the human species is indeed evolving due to contact with these species.

In fact it is for this very reason that the change in our planet's frequency is occurring IMO; because we have some such spirits here waiting, which have enabled the frequency jump to be made earlier than it otherwise would have.

*** Yes this I agree with and goes with what I have stated above.

According to Meier there were over 100,000 such beings on the spaceship that, after mechanical failure, self-destructed over Tunguska in the early twentieth century. These spirits, along with the natural evolution of the planet, have significantly raised the frequency around this planet IMO.

James (of WingMakers, Lyricus, and Event Temples) has also indicated that it is the presence of an influx of souls/spirits from elsewhere in the universe that are essentially responsible for the planetary frequency raising we are about to experience.

***Yes I agree. Elsewhere from 'all' the universe, from all times.

These are very difficult subjects for most to grasp, especially so because we have no scientific proof of them as yet.

IMO the reason people think such future and past incarnations are possible is because we are moving closer to the Sovereign Integral frequency all the time and identifying with it, and from Its perspective that is how things can appear; but that is because it is beyond this time system and sees and experiences it all as one. We and our individuated spirits are in a different situation -- currently.

*** yes hence why I wrote about inter dimensional time lines where the future, as we would consider it, has already happened and reincarnation not being linear as we know time.
Yes, that’s the overview, but it is not how we -- our individuated spirits -- experience it.

Déjà Vu, IMO only relates to brain activity. It’s a very curious phenomenon, and I once experienced this for an entire afternoon, which was a very uncanny experience, but it relates more to feelings of familiarity and memory in the brain triggering in and causing it. The brain and mind do strange things like this as we know from many reported cases, and especially illnesses (not that déjà vu is an illness) how strange connections in the brain can and do frequently occur. Spirit is immaculately intelligent, because it is guided always by Source, and it never guides itself to experience the same thing twice, just as there are no two spirits identical, no two experiences are identical;

if a human lesson needs learning again there will always be subtle differences at least; exactly the same lesson would likely lead to exactly the same result and a broken record syndrome. Everything living is wonderfully unique in its existence.

***This I agree with.

Nice discussing with you Ara, Nice to discuss this with you too Chris. It's always nice to read another person's thoughts on the subjects of life. Thank you for taking the time to share with me.
And you too.

Chris