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laurawalker72 · 11-16-2008, 04:55 PM

Hello everybody,
Well, as always I’m overworked. I spent a lot of time checking many things on ufology and I must say that so far, I’m very unsatisfied. Everything I found isn’t clear and doesn’t suit my scientific brain. I won’t have enough time to answer everybody from every forum I’m covering. So, don’t get angry if you don’t yet find your question. I cannot be everywhere at the same time, but I suppose that by tomorrow every question will be covered.
I start with the questions.

* sue

Hi Laura! Welcome to our message forums Alien
Which University are you associated with?
Your project sounds quite exciting!

Hi thank you indeed for your welcome. We are a team of scientists and we work with many different universities, in England, Germany, Italy, Belgium, but you have to understand that since we have discovered the world of ufology, we started to be a little less open and we are starting to be careful. I will not give the references of the universities because my colleagues asked me not to do so. Later on when we see that some places, like some forums seem to be more serious, then, we can give you whatever you want as references. We gave pictures, we can give more. We can also show the language used by this strange disk. As long as it is to learn, to be open, to help and not to insult, we are 100% open.
Thank you very much indeed. Please excuse us for being shy, but we react with what we have lately discovered on the internet.
All the best.
Laura.

* chargerguy

So that I might be able to help you in your endevours could you please clarify what you need everyone to help you with. Are you looking for anyone who might have heard or come into contact with elements of this case?

Yes, that’s exactly what we are looking for. As far as we know from what Melanie wrote, the team who has this disk discovered many incredible things and put down on the internet at least some of their discoveries, may be some of you have heard something. Of course, if some of you know where this team is, that would be perfect. If, at least, we get any kind of information that might help to find them or understand their story better or what exactly this disk was, that’d be great.
Thank you very much.
Laura.

* MariaG

Hello
This question was posed before, however, which University are you associated with?

I understand this question, and we’ll answer this question later on. Know that it’s not only universities. Sorry if I have to stay discrete right now but my colleagues asked to do so.
Laura.

* robin

OK you guys, no need to get nasty.
Laura if you indeed are doing a legitimate study I encourage you to private message Ian or Sue directly and sort out whether or not your project is something that PSICAN should be involved with.
Guys, Laura has not tried to sell us anything nor is she harassing anyone. You have the option of just ignoring her posts.
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Hi, your intervention is very wise and clever. Some of you can’t understand that my way of working now is to try and contact as many people as I can, that’s why some of my answers aren’t very private. Still, I’ll give special attention to what you said because you seem much more interesting than anything I have seen until now, but there are few serious people who answered too, but you are only few. Maybe instead of trying to touch many people I should concentrate on people of quality. It could be maybe much more efficient?

* Jacques Vallée

I am just wondering if whoever is behind laura72 is simply doing an experiment in cognitive psychology. The texts posted are full of inconsistencies, and this is the way people in cognitive psychology test hypothesis about counterintuitive elements, memory, what element sticks, etc.

Among the inconsistencies are the second sentence "I’m an expert in communication diploma of PhD Socio-Linguistics ..." which is meaningless. An English person with a Ph.D would not write that bad, would have neatly arranged paragraphes, and actually would have a D.Phil not a Ph.D. Several sentences sound as if they were written by someone from Eastern Europe (and none of the listed nationalities are from that part of the world. The theme of the Internet being such a great place is continuously repeated while the alien stuff minimized. Etc.

If this is a university-based research from North America, then they would require an ethics certificate, as he/she/they used deception without harm. This usually entails the obligation of divulging who they are, the purpose, etc, at the end of the experiment. Uncovering the deception is usually considered as causing the end of an experiment and he/she/they should divulge who they are, purpose, etc right away.

If he/she/they do not do that in the next few days, then Sue should block the laura72 URL.
I cannot believe the high estime you have of yourself. YOU ARE SO GOOD. You never saw the possibility that whatever you imagine about your brain, maybe it’s not the truth. Just a touch of humour that, I’m sure, you’ll be able to translate into psychological message from my subconscious,

Possiamo anche parlare in Italiano, mais nous pouvons aussi parler en Français, oder auch auf deutsch um euren geist ein bisschen zu öffnen, oder mire schreiwen op letzebuergesch, of misschien in nederlands, aval anahnou medaberim ivrit, etc so, please stop trying to have knowledge that you don’t have. Maybe it’s just too difficult for you to say «*sorry, I don’t have the knowledge you are looking for*». it’s true that to be humble is very difficult especially for a low brain level. Sorry for you. I’m tired of these stupid conversations about nothing. Can we please go back to the real topic, the disk, thank you. The rest is of no value to me.
Laura.

* MariaG

I couldn't agree with you more, Jacques!!

The first thing that came to mind was "some sort of experiment".

I've also done some internet research and what she is doing on this forum is an exact replica of what she is doing on other forums, however, now she is also copying and pasting PSICAN's responses and she quotes Ian on other forums.

Its all very bizarre but as I've said before we live in interesting times, don't we?
There’s nothing complicated indeed. I’m trying to contact as many people as possible so that finally I meet someone who knows something about the disk. That’s all. I’m not a spy from the KGB. I just concentrate my answers everywhere at the same time because I have to be efficient and save some time.
Laura.

* sue

Jacques Vallée wrote:
I am just wondering if whoever is behind laura72 is simply doing an experiment in cognitive psychology.
If he/she/they do not do that in the next few days, then Sue should block the laura72 URL.

Sue answer:

One of our members suggested something similar to us privately as far as the purpose of these posts. Heather and I have both been waiting to see how this develops as I wanted to see how it might evolve.
Laura72 -> Can you please identify your name, and the University you are associated with?
If you are unwilling to do that then this little experiment will have to end as far as our forums are concerned.

Very strange, but you are “at home”. You’ll do whatever pleases you, but as for me, I’m just trying to get some answers about this disk. I didn’t think that it was something awkward to use the internet for that. If you belonged to the world of universities, you would understand that I’m not going to have problems where I teach just to relax people to whom I was just asking “does anyone know something about the disk Melanie wrote about in her will? Can someone help us find something that was powerful enough to freeze cancer for years?” it doesn’t seem so strange to me, I really don’t understand your reactions. I really need some explanations. If you tell me what makes you so scared, then, maybe I can change some aspects of my work with you but right now, I really don’t understand your reactions, I’m sorry. Please tell me what makes you so scared?
Thank you.
Laura.

* Jason

My suspicions are bordering on belief. I'd be surprised if we get a legitimate response, I've seen this kind of thing so many times before on the internet, it has all the signs.
Sorry if I sounded nasty.
For now though, Sue is correct, give her the benefit of the doubt and a chance to explain herself. However, several posts from other members on this thread have asked for details from her, and the subsequent posts from Laura72 ignored them. ~temporarily bottling anger up until further notice~

=================================================
** Anonymous Coward
We are already in possession of technology far beyond that which is currently available to the general public. It is supressed to maintain the status quo of repression of the masses for the benefit of the few.
People who try bring these technologies into the mainstream are either threatened into solence, wind up dead, or are bought off.
Please tell us why you think your case will be any different.

I don’t understand you, you are complicated. I’m not interested in empty thoughts, just try to help me find anybody who could guide us a little bit to know more, that’s all. Is it possible that such a tool as the internet is finally a completely empty tool thanks to the manipulations of the government? Then we really have to wonder, because our society is really in a ****** position.
Laura.

** Restart
Mankind already has all the knowledge
when it comes to heal cancer
(ask why Pharma, Corp + politicians desire to hide that
and why certain physics are being supressed)

and

how to get free energy
(ask why they desire to hide that, but its not hard to guess)

and

also knows for a fact about the 'alien' presence.
Linked to ancient secrets mankind call religions.
(ask why they desire to hide that,
and has deliberately twisted mankinds history)

This 'science team' *smile* should know that too.

If anyone do know about what you describe,
I hope they do NOT tell you or anyone here.
It would be known that mankinds leaders are too ego.

Second, whats to say a MAN could handle the energies,
or have the right frequency as a Controller ; )

'Science teams' linked to this
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
are far to eager to keep mankind in the Dark.

As for the info you dropped,
its not THAT hard to find out who you where if it was for real -
you dropped info about your special diploma,
and that it is an international science team,
with the countries involved too...

I do not understand why you drop soo much details
IF you would be concerned for your safety
and / or others of the team.
Seriously now.... get a grip.

…
Interesting info spilled from random forumparticipants?
Hmm... there is far more heavey objects online
who has their own websites, who has whistleblown -
why not contact them instead, should be far more rewarding.

And if you are interested in language - ancient symbols
and hieroglyphs:
[link to www.viewzone.com]

THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT
[link to www.disclosureproject.com]

David Wilcock has interesting info..
Check out the video on 2012 Enigma on Youtube,
heres his site:
[link to www.divinecosmos.com]

** Anonymous Coward
Nice story op, but without proof or evidence it's just that "a nice story".

I don’t know what happened to everybody to be so crazy and aggressive? I just feel sorry for you. Now as a team of scientists, we aren’t usually working on this kink of topics, so we know nothing about energies, knowledge about cures and so on, and I must say that since we’ve seen what we have seen on the internet, finally we feel very happy not to be concerned by these strange files, indeed. We are just trying to finish our research on the internet concerning this disk. Is there anyone who can help us without being completely crazy, but just efficient and well balanced. Thank you.
Laura.

** Dancer
All right, have you looked into the original "Wingmakers" materials?
There seems to be some possible linguistic crossover, at least in potential, which may mean that there are other points of connection. It is hard to tell without pictures for comparison however, but you may have a possible lead.
I believe a simple web search should turn up this data.
Take care friend.
D.

That’s a very kind answer, unfortunately we checked the windmakers website and there’s nothing interesting for us. Still thank you very much for the information.
Laura.

** Anonymous Coward
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8320 : Nice story op, but without proof or evidence it's just that "a nice story".

yes, you REALLY must bring some link or picture (or both!) etc. to validade your claims.
without that your MANY words will be useless and this thread will die much sooner than you expect.
believe me!

This is incredible how deeply you developed power and threatening on the internet. I can tell you that before I found the world of universities too much in the control of the ego but since I know the internet, I find this world of universities, a world full of harmony and gentleness.
Laura.
_______
**Dantheman62:

It sounds kinda strange, I mean why would he give it to her and not say, bury it or give it to a good longtime friend or family member.Maybe he was part of some organization or even ET type being. Does he have any background you can research? I don't know but there are alot of questions.

Some aspects of what this man did stay a mystery to me, still I can answer a point. He didn’t give this disk to one of his friends because he wanted to give it to someone who had almost no relation with him. With Melanie, it was the case, because they just met during their holiday.
For the rest, no, we don’t have any element otherwise I wouldn’t be writing to everybody like this. As I said before, trying this on the internet, we have followed every other system. Every time we arrive nowhere.
If you can help…
Laura.

**Malletzky:

Could you tell us which army attacked this man and killed his son? I assume, according to your previous posts, that this all must have happened in Germany.
So if "die Bundeswehr" should do this, it would realy surprise me.
Yeah, I know that the "dark forces" are everywhere, so I will not claim it is not posible. But Bundeswehr? Or maybe some "secret" parts of it?

And when exactly did this all happened? Few years ago?? Can you give us an aproximate Year?

Do you have any links to any german newspapers which might have covered this? Would be interresting to read about....

As far as we know it was about 4 or 5 years ago, and no, it wasn’t in Germany but it was in Europe. Now, don’t believe that when some “forces” are doing some regrettable actions it’s written in the newspaper. As I said we tried all of that before and it leads nowhere, that’s why we are trying something new through the internet.
Laura.

**Pamela:

Laura, you should post these questions on the Open Minds Forum, they have many members that have studied various texts, crop circles and other artifacts.

You might get some valuable information from the members there.
Thank you very much I will!! Cheers. Laura.

**Exchanger:

why don't you email
support@projectcamelot.org
and, then Bill & Kerry,
will contact you direct

i agree, your story, would be much easier to follow
if you provided a location/and, date=to=date occurance
type of reporting
(oldest/to newest info)

interesting-never-the-less, and, looking forward
to hearing more, about this
thank you, I’ll have a look at that, and I’ll let you know. Laura.

welcome to project avalon

brightest blessings
susan
the eXchanger

**feardia:

If the artifact was found in ireland can u tell us which part? Ireland was the only part of the known world not conquered by the Roman empire, there are many links back to the middle East and Sumeria and stories of ancient boat trips to the meditterranean, it would only take two weeks to sail from Ireland to the med, whereas to travel overland would have taken months. The 'pilgrim's route' which goes over the Dingle peninsula to brandon creek is taken as the route which pilgrim's took from Ireland to northern spain and on to the Holy land, however there is an opinion that the route was in the other direction from Europe to ireland.

Legend has it that this is the route by which the Holy Grail was brought to ireland and there is currently major work going on at Tara (the ancient capital) under cover of the building of an unnecessary motorway through what is a UNESCO world heritage site- Opus Dei and spanish company Ferrovial are involved in this work, which is continuing despite the opposition of 90% of the people- EU contract law apparently.

The templars also came to ireland when they finished the crusades, and of course Atlantis was just off the coast. Anyway, I shall follow your story with interest,
one love

"Ancient Ireland knew it all," George Bernard Shaw.

Thank you, what you wrote is very interesting. I only know that it was in the south of Ireland. Melanie wrote some words about Kilarnay park but I don’t know if we can trust that.
Laura.

11-16-2008, 04:55 PM	#29
laurawalker72 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 20	Re: Investigation into an alien artefact Hello everybody, Well, as always I’m overworked. I spent a lot of time checking many things on ufology and I must say that so far, I’m very unsatisfied. Everything I found isn’t clear and doesn’t suit my scientific brain. I won’t have enough time to answer everybody from every forum I’m covering. So, don’t get angry if you don’t yet find your question. I cannot be everywhere at the same time, but I suppose that by tomorrow every question will be covered. I start with the questions. * sue Hi Laura! Welcome to our message forums Alien Which University are you associated with? Your project sounds quite exciting! Hi thank you indeed for your welcome. We are a team of scientists and we work with many different universities, in England, Germany, Italy, Belgium, but you have to understand that since we have discovered the world of ufology, we started to be a little less open and we are starting to be careful. I will not give the references of the universities because my colleagues asked me not to do so. Later on when we see that some places, like some forums seem to be more serious, then, we can give you whatever you want as references. We gave pictures, we can give more. We can also show the language used by this strange disk. As long as it is to learn, to be open, to help and not to insult, we are 100% open. Thank you very much indeed. Please excuse us for being shy, but we react with what we have lately discovered on the internet. All the best. Laura. * chargerguy So that I might be able to help you in your endevours could you please clarify what you need everyone to help you with. Are you looking for anyone who might have heard or come into contact with elements of this case? Yes, that’s exactly what we are looking for. As far as we know from what Melanie wrote, the team who has this disk discovered many incredible things and put down on the internet at least some of their discoveries, may be some of you have heard something. Of course, if some of you know where this team is, that would be perfect. If, at least, we get any kind of information that might help to find them or understand their story better or what exactly this disk was, that’d be great. Thank you very much. Laura. * MariaG Hello This question was posed before, however, which University are you associated with? I understand this question, and we’ll answer this question later on. Know that it’s not only universities. Sorry if I have to stay discrete right now but my colleagues asked to do so. Laura. * robin OK you guys, no need to get nasty. Laura if you indeed are doing a legitimate study I encourage you to private message Ian or Sue directly and sort out whether or not your project is something that PSICAN should be involved with. Guys, Laura has not tried to sell us anything nor is she harassing anyone. You have the option of just ignoring her posts. View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website Hi, your intervention is very wise and clever. Some of you can’t understand that my way of working now is to try and contact as many people as I can, that’s why some of my answers aren’t very private. Still, I’ll give special attention to what you said because you seem much more interesting than anything I have seen until now, but there are few serious people who answered too, but you are only few. Maybe instead of trying to touch many people I should concentrate on people of quality. It could be maybe much more efficient? * Jacques Vallée I am just wondering if whoever is behind laura72 is simply doing an experiment in cognitive psychology. The texts posted are full of inconsistencies, and this is the way people in cognitive psychology test hypothesis about counterintuitive elements, memory, what element sticks, etc. Among the inconsistencies are the second sentence "I’m an expert in communication diploma of PhD Socio-Linguistics ..." which is meaningless. An English person with a Ph.D would not write that bad, would have neatly arranged paragraphes, and actually would have a D.Phil not a Ph.D. Several sentences sound as if they were written by someone from Eastern Europe (and none of the listed nationalities are from that part of the world. The theme of the Internet being such a great place is continuously repeated while the alien stuff minimized. Etc. If this is a university-based research from North America, then they would require an ethics certificate, as he/she/they used deception without harm. This usually entails the obligation of divulging who they are, the purpose, etc, at the end of the experiment. Uncovering the deception is usually considered as causing the end of an experiment and he/she/they should divulge who they are, purpose, etc right away. If he/she/they do not do that in the next few days, then Sue should block the laura72 URL. I cannot believe the high estime you have of yourself. YOU ARE SO GOOD. You never saw the possibility that whatever you imagine about your brain, maybe it’s not the truth. Just a touch of humour that, I’m sure, you’ll be able to translate into psychological message from my subconscious, Possiamo anche parlare in Italiano, mais nous pouvons aussi parler en Français, oder auch auf deutsch um euren geist ein bisschen zu öffnen, oder mire schreiwen op letzebuergesch, of misschien in nederlands, aval anahnou medaberim ivrit, etc so, please stop trying to have knowledge that you don’t have. Maybe it’s just too difficult for you to say «sorry, I don’t have the knowledge you are looking for». it’s true that to be humble is very difficult especially for a low brain level. Sorry for you. I’m tired of these stupid conversations about nothing. Can we please go back to the real topic, the disk, thank you. The rest is of no value to me. Laura. * MariaG I couldn't agree with you more, Jacques!! The first thing that came to mind was "some sort of experiment". I've also done some internet research and what she is doing on this forum is an exact replica of what she is doing on other forums, however, now she is also copying and pasting PSICAN's responses and she quotes Ian on other forums. Its all very bizarre but as I've said before we live in interesting times, don't we? There’s nothing complicated indeed. I’m trying to contact as many people as possible so that finally I meet someone who knows something about the disk. That’s all. I’m not a spy from the KGB. I just concentrate my answers everywhere at the same time because I have to be efficient and save some time. Laura. * sue Jacques Vallée wrote: I am just wondering if whoever is behind laura72 is simply doing an experiment in cognitive psychology. If he/she/they do not do that in the next few days, then Sue should block the laura72 URL. Sue answer: One of our members suggested something similar to us privately as far as the purpose of these posts. Heather and I have both been waiting to see how this develops as I wanted to see how it might evolve. Laura72 -> Can you please identify your name, and the University you are associated with? If you are unwilling to do that then this little experiment will have to end as far as our forums are concerned. Very strange, but you are “at home”. You’ll do whatever pleases you, but as for me, I’m just trying to get some answers about this disk. I didn’t think that it was something awkward to use the internet for that. If you belonged to the world of universities, you would understand that I’m not going to have problems where I teach just to relax people to whom I was just asking “does anyone know something about the disk Melanie wrote about in her will? Can someone help us find something that was powerful enough to freeze cancer for years?” it doesn’t seem so strange to me, I really don’t understand your reactions. I really need some explanations. If you tell me what makes you so scared, then, maybe I can change some aspects of my work with you but right now, I really don’t understand your reactions, I’m sorry. Please tell me what makes you so scared? Thank you. Laura. * Jason My suspicions are bordering on belief. I'd be surprised if we get a legitimate response, I've seen this kind of thing so many times before on the internet, it has all the signs. Sorry if I sounded nasty. For now though, Sue is correct, give her the benefit of the doubt and a chance to explain herself. However, several posts from other members on this thread have asked for details from her, and the subsequent posts from Laura72 ignored them. ~temporarily bottling anger up until further notice~ ================================================= Anonymous Coward We are already in possession of technology far beyond that which is currently available to the general public. It is supressed to maintain the status quo of repression of the masses for the benefit of the few. People who try bring these technologies into the mainstream are either threatened into solence, wind up dead, or are bought off. Please tell us why you think your case will be any different. I don’t understand you, you are complicated. I’m not interested in empty thoughts, just try to help me find anybody who could guide us a little bit to know more, that’s all. Is it possible that such a tool as the internet is finally a completely empty tool thanks to the manipulations of the government? Then we really have to wonder, because our society is really in a ** position. Laura. Restart Mankind already has all the knowledge when it comes to heal cancer (ask why Pharma, Corp + politicians desire to hide that and why certain physics are being supressed) and how to get free energy (ask why they desire to hide that, but its not hard to guess) and also knows for a fact about the 'alien' presence. Linked to ancient secrets mankind call religions. (ask why they desire to hide that, and has deliberately twisted mankinds history) This 'science team' smile should know that too. If anyone do know about what you describe, I hope they do NOT tell you or anyone here. It would be known that mankinds leaders are too ego. Second, whats to say a MAN could handle the energies, or have the right frequency as a Controller ; ) 'Science teams' linked to this [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] are far to eager to keep mankind in the Dark. As for the info you dropped, its not THAT hard to find out who you where if it was for real - you dropped info about your special diploma, and that it is an international science team, with the countries involved too... I do not understand why you drop soo much details IF you would be concerned for your safety and / or others of the team. Seriously now.... get a grip. … Interesting info spilled from random forumparticipants? Hmm... there is far more heavey objects online who has their own websites, who has whistleblown - why not contact them instead, should be far more rewarding. And if you are interested in language - ancient symbols and hieroglyphs: [link to www.viewzone.com] THE DISCLOSURE PROJECT [link to www.disclosureproject.com] David Wilcock has interesting info.. Check out the video on 2012 Enigma on Youtube, heres his site: [link to www.divinecosmos.com] Anonymous Coward Nice story op, but without proof or evidence it's just that "a nice story". I don’t know what happened to everybody to be so crazy and aggressive? I just feel sorry for you. Now as a team of scientists, we aren’t usually working on this kink of topics, so we know nothing about energies, knowledge about cures and so on, and I must say that since we’ve seen what we have seen on the internet, finally we feel very happy not to be concerned by these strange files, indeed. We are just trying to finish our research on the internet concerning this disk. Is there anyone who can help us without being completely crazy, but just efficient and well balanced. Thank you. Laura. Dancer All right, have you looked into the original "Wingmakers" materials? There seems to be some possible linguistic crossover, at least in potential, which may mean that there are other points of connection. It is hard to tell without pictures for comparison however, but you may have a possible lead. I believe a simple web search should turn up this data. Take care friend. D. That’s a very kind answer, unfortunately we checked the windmakers website and there’s nothing interesting for us. Still thank you very much for the information. Laura. Anonymous Coward Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8320 : Nice story op, but without proof or evidence it's just that "a nice story". yes, you REALLY must bring some link or picture (or both!) etc. to validade your claims. without that your MANY words will be useless and this thread will die much sooner than you expect. believe me! This is incredible how deeply you developed power and threatening on the internet. I can tell you that before I found the world of universities too much in the control of the ego but since I know the internet, I find this world of universities, a world full of harmony and gentleness. Laura. _______ Dantheman62: It sounds kinda strange, I mean why would he give it to her and not say, bury it or give it to a good longtime friend or family member.Maybe he was part of some organization or even ET type being. Does he have any background you can research? I don't know but there are alot of questions. Some aspects of what this man did stay a mystery to me, still I can answer a point. He didn’t give this disk to one of his friends because he wanted to give it to someone who had almost no relation with him. With Melanie, it was the case, because they just met during their holiday. For the rest, no, we don’t have any element otherwise I wouldn’t be writing to everybody like this. As I said before, trying this on the internet, we have followed every other system. Every time we arrive nowhere. If you can help… Laura. Malletzky: Could you tell us which army attacked this man and killed his son? I assume, according to your previous posts, that this all must have happened in Germany. So if "die Bundeswehr" should do this, it would realy surprise me. Yeah, I know that the "dark forces" are everywhere, so I will not claim it is not posible. But Bundeswehr? Or maybe some "secret" parts of it? And when exactly did this all happened? Few years ago?? Can you give us an aproximate Year? Do you have any links to any german newspapers which might have covered this? Would be interresting to read about.... As far as we know it was about 4 or 5 years ago, and no, it wasn’t in Germany but it was in Europe. Now, don’t believe that when some “forces” are doing some regrettable actions it’s written in the newspaper. As I said we tried all of that before and it leads nowhere, that’s why we are trying something new through the internet. Laura. Pamela: Laura, you should post these questions on the Open Minds Forum, they have many members that have studied various texts, crop circles and other artifacts. You might get some valuable information from the members there. Thank you very much I will!! Cheers. Laura. Exchanger: why don't you email support@projectcamelot.org and, then Bill & Kerry, will contact you direct i agree, your story, would be much easier to follow if you provided a location/and, date=to=date occurance type of reporting (oldest/to newest info) interesting-never-the-less, and, looking forward to hearing more, about this thank you, I’ll have a look at that, and I’ll let you know. Laura. welcome to project avalon brightest blessings susan the eXchanger feardia: If the artifact was found in ireland can u tell us which part? Ireland was the only part of the known world not conquered by the Roman empire, there are many links back to the middle East and Sumeria and stories of ancient boat trips to the meditterranean, it would only take two weeks to sail from Ireland to the med, whereas to travel overland would have taken months. The 'pilgrim's route' which goes over the Dingle peninsula to brandon creek is taken as the route which pilgrim's took from Ireland to northern spain and on to the Holy land, however there is an opinion that the route was in the other direction from Europe to ireland. Legend has it that this is the route by which the Holy Grail was brought to ireland and there is currently major work going on at Tara (the ancient capital) under cover of the building of an unnecessary motorway through what is a UNESCO world heritage site- Opus Dei and spanish company Ferrovial are involved in this work, which is continuing despite the opposition of 90% of the people- EU contract law apparently. The templars also came to ireland when they finished the crusades, and of course Atlantis was just off the coast. Anyway, I shall follow your story with interest, one love "Ancient Ireland knew it all," George Bernard Shaw. Thank you, what you wrote is very interesting. I only know that it was in the south of Ireland. Melanie wrote some words about Kilarnay park but I don’t know if we can trust that. Laura.