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Originally Posted by murnut
I believe you are mistaken....Govts are not for the rights of the people...they are about control.
There will always be information that is kept from public view, some of it for our own good.
Most will disagree with the above...hell I would have disagreed with it not too long ago.
But just where does one draw the line fighting evil with evil.
Slippery slope where the ends justify the means.
Your theory would seem to imply that it is okay to steal from the rich to give to the poor?
Who defines who is rich.
The UFO community should not sell its soul, become what they despise in the name of disclosure.
Nice try...I applaud the effort to try to tie this to slavery.
To make your case here, you would have to admit that all forms of govt are wrong, any govt, any rule imposes slavery.
The difference between those that opposed slavery and Gary is that the abolitionist felt so strongly about what they were doing was right, they stood and were counted by serving jail time, and even facing death.
Gary has chickened out for his cause.
Gary has no proof of what he saw....I maintain he saw nothing...the biggest secret in the history of the world was not, has not ever been hooked up to the internet.
Truly if he had actually seen anything, you would have never had heard his name.
He may have been looking for proof I don't doubt.
But since he got caught, he has done nothing but use the ufo community because he does not want to face the music.
And the ufo community is using Gary as well, as way to force disclosure.
As near as I can tell, in my opinion, Gary is a loser for not pleading, and the ufo community is a loser for using a loser to promote it's agenda.
There are real heroes in the ufo community, Gary is self imposed pawn.
He is worthy of pity, and that is about it.
PS I have no problem with him serving his time in Britain, if any.
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YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS>
wrong... governments are supposed to represent the rights of the people. when they don't (like withhold existential information) we have the right to oppose their oppression. exactly what gary did, therefor his actions are justified.
wrong.... there will not ALWAYS be information withheld from the public. transparency is the way of the future because transparency of information ensures equality. if you need me to elaborate on this point i can.
wrong... not a slippery slope argument. very straight forward. when an injustice is perpetrated by our government, we have a right to combat that injustice by any non-violent means necessary.
wrong... my argument does NOT imply justification for stealing from rich to give to poor. my argument dictates the right to take back what has been stolen from us.
wrong... the ufo community is not selling its soul. it is standing up for what is right. i will state the argument AGAIN. all humans have a right to equal access of existential information. in searching for that information, gary or any other sentient being is justified in their non-violent search.
wrong... in making my case i do not have to prove that all forms of govt are wrong. it is only necessary to show that their particular action of withholding existential information is wrong. therefor justifying gary's search for said infromation.
wrong... the only difference between gary and the abolitionist is that one was a physical slave, and the other a mental/existential slave. both have risked harm to self for sake of greater good.
who cares... there is no point in what gary saw. the point is his motivation for action. what he did or did not see is totally irrelevant.
subjective... the rest of your argument is subjective drivel. the usual route taken by those who fail at responding to an objective argument.
i can continue to squash your arguments, or we can watch the rest of the world series of poker final table.
Gary's actions were just. Express this fact to Mr. Podesta.
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