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Kelphi · 11-07-2008, 07:59 AM

Truthsayer,

"No true God or higher being will disrespect humans or force humans to worship them."

That is an interesting phrase you have there. You would agree that we are all progressively learning as a society and that being incorrect is only enlightenment welcomed, I would hope.

A true God does exist and you are right by saying He would never force humans to worship Him. The God in the bible is most pleased in our free wills when we seek, trust and obey His word without force. God likes the underdog, odds are against you type thing to show us Christians off to His angels and to Satan who is continuously coming in and out of Earth to Heaven before God to accuse us. The bible calls the devil the accuser of the saints.

I will let you in on some high level stuff though. Now what I just said about free will above pertains to a Christian after he is "saved". But concerning salvation prior, man does not have one single thing to do with his salvation other than his own sin itself. Man does not have free will to come to God on his own volition. It is impossible, man can't, for we are spiritually dead / separated from God through the fall. It is God that woo's man from his dead state to Himself, opens his eyes to the fact that he is a sinner and shows man his need of a saviour and points us to Christ Jesus. Jesus said in John 6 several times that it is the Father that gives us to Jesus. No man comes to the Father except through Jesus.

But a higher being, and I believe Satan is a higher being, does force humans to worship him. Ask any ex-occult leader.

So you see, God will win (hands off if you will) this competition and it makes Satan furious.

So you ask then what can man do to be saved if God is the one that grants it. This is the greatest question on the planet. And the only answer that we finite humans have for this is get on your knees and beg the Father to open your eyes to His truths for it is ultimately His will if you are saved and not your own. It is truly a free gift. Non-cooperative of man. He chose us in our mothers womb, before I even knew Him or knew of sin. This my friend is the greatest truth you will ever be told.

If you confess with your tongue the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God rose him from the grave you shall be saved. The resurrection of Christ is the most factual historical record on the planet. Even hostile witnesses go on record to say they saw it. This is the most attacked biblical event ever, and rightly so, because without a resurrection we Christians are still dead in our sins and have no title deed if you will to our salvation. So you will see every ET, every false religion on the planet attempt to discredit this one single event.

God Bless.

11-07-2008, 07:59 AM	#6
Kelphi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 107	Re: Decentralizing Project Avalon Truthsayer, "No true God or higher being will disrespect humans or force humans to worship them." That is an interesting phrase you have there. You would agree that we are all progressively learning as a society and that being incorrect is only enlightenment welcomed, I would hope. A true God does exist and you are right by saying He would never force humans to worship Him. The God in the bible is most pleased in our free wills when we seek, trust and obey His word without force. God likes the underdog, odds are against you type thing to show us Christians off to His angels and to Satan who is continuously coming in and out of Earth to Heaven before God to accuse us. The bible calls the devil the accuser of the saints. I will let you in on some high level stuff though. Now what I just said about free will above pertains to a Christian after he is "saved". But concerning salvation prior, man does not have one single thing to do with his salvation other than his own sin itself. Man does not have free will to come to God on his own volition. It is impossible, man can't, for we are spiritually dead / separated from God through the fall. It is God that woo's man from his dead state to Himself, opens his eyes to the fact that he is a sinner and shows man his need of a saviour and points us to Christ Jesus. Jesus said in John 6 several times that it is the Father that gives us to Jesus. No man comes to the Father except through Jesus. But a higher being, and I believe Satan is a higher being, does force humans to worship him. Ask any ex-occult leader. So you see, God will win (hands off if you will) this competition and it makes Satan furious. So you ask then what can man do to be saved if God is the one that grants it. This is the greatest question on the planet. And the only answer that we finite humans have for this is get on your knees and beg the Father to open your eyes to His truths for it is ultimately His will if you are saved and not your own. It is truly a free gift. Non-cooperative of man. He chose us in our mothers womb, before I even knew Him or knew of sin. This my friend is the greatest truth you will ever be told. If you confess with your tongue the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God rose him from the grave you shall be saved. The resurrection of Christ is the most factual historical record on the planet. Even hostile witnesses go on record to say they saw it. This is the most attacked biblical event ever, and rightly so, because without a resurrection we Christians are still dead in our sins and have no title deed if you will to our salvation. So you will see every ET, every false religion on the planet attempt to discredit this one single event. God Bless.