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11-06-2008, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Circlewerk

Thank you Deo, yet a little further clarification might be helpful..

At the point that an individual has the rational, objective insight, to see that his passions are out of control, and that they need to be controlled,
what part of him does he see allowed for the lack of control in the first place?
The things a person is passionate about are incapable of taking control of the man.
Like alcohol, it is never the bottle of booze that forces the man to drink, it is the mans thoughts that drive him to drink or not.

And if he sees his perspective as conditioned, does he take responsibility, by rationally looking at the fact that there is a part of him that is easily conditioned? What part of a man is so easily hypnotized?

I mean, if we're going to break down the layers of man, there is mind, ego, animal instinct, brain, body, consciousness, soul, spirit,etc.. and the synergy of these..
Which layer or psychological part of a man, if not the ego, do you think, takes the bait in conditioning?
And why, is it difficult to break through these patterns?
What makes man cling to ideas about love or hate, unity or division? What makes him "cling" or fear detachment ?
It is not the ideas of love or oneness that are a problem, it is the clinging to the ideas of them, that causes static.

I find that emotional, psychological attachment to anything is harmful.
Because there is nothing new here.
It is recycled thoughts, at best, all hypothesis on what love and it's contrast actually are.
I believe none of it.
I am observing though, that it is the ego in man, that gets addicted to thought, emotion & belief, however unintentional.
The ego is not bad, or wrong for this..it simply knows no other way, while immersed in the irrational mind of man.
It has been discredited, it has been blown out of proportion, it has been glamorized..and still, we remain short sighted in our ideas of what we think we know, as far as the egos original purpose.
I am not for, or against the ego.
And I am not for, or against the theories that have been offered about it, thus far.
The moment I think I know, I have engaged my mind in the loop, where my ego has been accustomed to shooting it's dope of emotional attachment & psychological belief.

Your reply is appreciated,
CW

mm hard to put an explanation to all the things you asked but at least i can try to answer something....

i think that basically when i talk of training myself and not being controlled by my passions, i just only mean to stay with a clear mind over them and see them for what they are: some kind of toy to play with. Imagine your passion is sex, you can become a sex addict, that is a passion out of control because it ends up doing harm to you, so that extreme is to be always avoided if possible. Then, to control a passion pure force of will is needed, that is what i mean by training myself, i only use pure force of will. Is like lift weighting... is always tough because one becomes used to do something and change habits is always tedious.

If you don´t have that..... good luck with any other strategy...

I think the main condition we experience is being humans. That then, we can coexist with other, but everyone has a relative perspective of the surroundings and none is equal to any other in anything at all. Our search is for a thing we can only imagine we have found, similarities amongst a sea of differences.

The irrational rationality of man is the spark he has to create things in the middle of infinity. Where no point of reference is given and humans feel orphan all their existences, until they found "something" wich makes them feel comfortable or similar, like god perceptions or life after death supposed experiences.

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Originally Posted by Alexandra

I am curious as to our views about existance after death, since your ideas of life are individualistic.
Alexandra

My idea of life really has nothing to do with pure individualism. It´s about give the value that our standard physical and mental separatedness deserves for me.

in the possibility of life after death i think it can be that you go simply where you want to go with the tools you have developed throughout you life or lifes. That means you can only go where your tools (probably, spiritual ones) makes you able to go.