[NancyV]

I have just finished reading this entire thread and a few very good logical arguments and comments have been posted, most notably by Murnut and Zorgon (in my opinion of course). If Gary had not been an inept, stoner who seems to have been playing at this like it was a computer game, what with leaving threats on government computers and hacking from a DIAL UP computer, for heavens sake!!!!, he probably would have been "offered" a choice - go to work for the government, or be disappeared.

He's most likely only being made an example of because he's a foreigner AND he is a bungler. GREAT hackers are a true danger to the PTB, and most of them end up working FOR the government or having an accident. Inept hackers are a bother and occasionally get made examples of. Whether or not Gary was a random choice out of the many inept hackers, so what. He played the game, he took his chances knowing there were laws he was breaking that might have serious consequences, and he did it very stupidly. Far from a hero I feel that he is now just a rather pathetic pawn for both sides. He is being used as an example by the PTB and he's being used as a "hero" or cause celebre by the UFO or alternative community. He's still just a pawn, and apparently not very intelligent or he might have cut his losses when he had the chance. If you're going to play with the big boys, get ready for the backlash if you are found out.

As far as breaking laws to find out information, I have no real problem with that, but only if you're an EXPERT at finding out things and BETTER at it, than the guys who are keeping things secret. Otherwise you should stick to finding out through channels where you won't be tangling with the PTB, because they play for keeps, and for the most part the guys in the intelligence field aren't stupid just because they work for the government. Underestimating them is a sign of very poor judgement.

Gary obviously (at least to me) was a loose cannon with no finesse and no knowledge of what he was dealing with, or if he had some knowledge, maybe the dope smoking gave him a false and ignorant sense of bravado. It is imperative to truly know the scope of your own abilities. If you decide to do something illegal, no matter WHAT your motivations and whether or not you agree with the law, be prepared for the results if you get caught. That's just plain common sense.

You may think the US Government is a "terrorist" government, but they are no different than other governments. The true PTB manipulate all governments. If you want to be a counter terrorist against "terrorist" governments you darn well better train and prepare yourself instead of thinking that just because you have certain beliefs in "truth" and "goodness" that makes you better than the bad guys. You have to know how to be BADDER than the bad guys, and yes, it can endanger your own soul, at least temporarily. You will often be using the same means you despise to fight that which you wish to destroy. But it's all a game in the long run, isn't it.

That is ONE way to fight the PTB, but there is another way. Develop your innate "spiritual" powers to the point where you don't have to fight with the same tools the PTB use. Do not engage with them on their level and don't play their game. If you remain in conflict you will perpetuate the game you seem to want to escape. As Murnut says, what will you replace them with? Just more of the same. In order to end the game you may only end it for yourself! This battle will never really be a group effort. But if you do want to continue living in their world of conflict, fear, action and reaction, please at least do not be a bungler like "poor" Gary McKinnon was and still seems to be.

Nancy