[Skylark]

Ok, now that we are not name calling and such we can have a proper discussion, thats the idea!

I appreciate what you said there Koyaanisqatsi about George Greens saying
"whatever idea that humanity finally produces which will elevate us towards the next dimension must be thought out in such a way that it is inherently beautiful, unquestionably, to each and every human who sees it such that each and every human will seek and desire such a reality. no small task to be sure, but i believe that we will achieve this-it is my hope"

That is my hope too. It makes sense. I must finish the handbook actually, keep getting sidetracked and am also busy with work, which eats my time but also leads me to my point, which is this;
I would love to get involved in the Venus project, or similar, and get stuck in and go to as many people as possible and try to find some agreement on what this beautiful idea might be. But I am too busy, because I have to work.
Knowing what I know now about the very nature of work and the money trap we are all in (except the people who designed and are implementing it, the elite who are our problem, how nice for them not to have to worry about it) it pisses me off. I everyday get more and more ****** off that human potential is being used to make ipods and bombs when it could be used to make art, music, technology for all to use, free energy and maybe even off-earth colonoies, who the hell knows what we could do.

George Green also said in the handbook that the creator of this theater thinks that maybe the audience could become the actors and develop a new and un-thought of plot that could go beautiful places. Its all possible. But first the money chasing aspect that has us in chains needs to go. It needs to go.

I'm not advising people that the Venus project is the way forward, but as Jacques Fresco said himself 'íts just a lot better'. And I think people should not see the ideas of the venus project as the end destination. I see it as a way to free us to devote our intelligence and endeavor to becoming something far more than people in fancy-dancy houses with robots to do all the work, and us becoming potentially lazy indolent wasters.

I think Fresco and co are trying to say something along those lines too.

If we got to, or tried to do something like, the vp I think that probably before we even got to a situation like they envisage we would think of something better.

I also think that we would be fools (again) to say "Alright Jaques, go for it, call us when its finished and we'll move in'.

If a lot of people in the world took it as a large pointer in the right direction it would be a good move.

Get it or a similar idea on-line and get the new society/city/cities built as a collaboration. Say to people from all walks of life "Right, want to live differently? Then come together and design your ideal city online as an online collaboration of designers, builders, artists, architects, engineers, tradespeople, AND people who want to live there, ordinary people, shopkeepers, teachers, philosophers, doctors, all walks of life. Aim to attract people who work in and study the industries and activities that will benefit a future society. Have them design the city then live and work in the same city and be in proximity so they can mingle and bounce ideas off each other.

Get a virtual city built with agreement from whoever is interested in living there that if an acceptable model can be built and it looks good then companies can be formed and revenue raised from advanced future rent say to start building it.

Building an entire city in one long operation, with one set of builders, with building the city to be desirable to the people who will live there, as designed by these people, instead of building it the way we do now, one building at a time to make profits, would mean the city would be easier and cheaper to build and the end result could be a really funky, functional city that people want to live in. If that worked people all over the world could start doing the same.

I had this idea (more detailed) a while ago, and I think something like that would be better than the vp, as the vp is as all seem to agree, a bit of a leap too far maybe.

People in every country could design their cities and instead of paying rent pledge to pay their future rent in a new city and use the money pledged to build it. each city would be different, but still "A lot better" than the current urban messes we live in. Rent would go to the city to maintain it, not to private landlords. And the city's finances could be transparent, available to view on-line. Excess money could be used for some purpose that the people vote for online. Or used if needed to help set up farming areas around or close to the city (closer than a plane journey away would be far better straight away) to provide work for people who enjoy farming and can then sell their produce in the city direct. If farmers got a decent living then more people would farm, its a nice occupation if you are not struggling for money.

There's loads of ways to design a brilliant city without becoming slaves to a robotic future. And anyway, humans design robots, if we design them to do their function and no more then whats the problem with that?

Anyway, just suggestions like I say. If we build on each others suggestions instead of arguing we may get somewhere!