[Steven]

Originally Posted by Kelphi

Steven,

...You claim you can't trust the bible?...

...I beg you, I plead with you. Please. You better investigate that before you build your own truth...

...Christs return will be like this: Christ returns in the clouds for ALL to see Him. Believers in Christ will be taken (snatched) out, aka blessed hope, aka rapture. This is not the second coming, that comes 7 years later with His saints, aka believers to do battle at Armageddon. Those 7 years will be hard for anyone to become a believer in Jesus. Satan will have a beautiful explanation of the mass disappearance. So much so that if it were possible would fool the very elect, aka saints, aka believers in Jesus Christ...

...After Revelations chapter 3: All believers, aka saints, aka the church, aka the elect, aka believers in Jesus Christ, etc. are not mentioned any longer because we are not here. We are with Jesus where we will be with Him forever more. We have been raptured...

...The people that remain will see the anti-christ (lucifer) immediately set up shop in Jerusalem claiming to be God and performing miracles and demanding to be worshiped. This is called the abomination of desolation in Matthew 24. This is how you will know that you have been left behind. Your only hope at this last point will be to put your hope and trust in Jesus Christ and believe that He paid the price for your sins on the cross. But if this is foolishness to you now it will be ultra-foolishness to you then because of the great deception in the land...

...So instead of believing in the doctrines of demons by creating "your own reality" and looking "within self"- go find you a born again believer of Jesus Christ and pray and repent of your sins and ask God to apply His Son's shed blood to your sin debt and its all good...

Hi Kelphi. I am glad you show respect and even compassion toward me. I will do the same. I exactly created this thread for you. Not in the intention to challenge your believes, but to trigger a reasoning.

To answer your first question, yes, I claim I can not trust the Bible alone. The reason is very simple. It has been altered many times. Just look at all the Bibles we have today, they are all different one from another. So which is the perfect one? Which one is the only one in which nothing have been altered by third party over two thousands of years?

The Bible is a book of books. Bible means library. Why the institutional church have stopped to include other stories after the Apocalypse? Does it mean God have stopped to manifest to his people after John and Paul?

Creator never stopped to manifest to us. But the institutional Church stopped to include other stories after Paul and John. First manipulation.

Then you have the Roman Empire who decide to instead of feeding Christians to lions, they will tolerate the religions. In fact, over the years, instead of tolerating it, the Empire began to alter it. Even if Constantin's intention was genuine.

Then you have the Popes, many have decided to change a little line here and there.

Then you have the scholars and Jesuits, altering translations to better fit the Kingdom of the institutional church.

Then the schisms...

Just to mention a few...

I'm in no way saying it has no truth. I am saying you can not trust it alone and you must be able to compare when you read it, especially when you take it literally as you do. Do you know the Cabal? The art of coding a message within a message. I bet you do. But you don't want to look at it.

I don't want to get into details because it would be pages of intellectual blah, blah on the topic.

Don't beg me, you are using a victim consciousness by doing so, the Universal Laws always work even if you don't believe them. This was the essence of the teaching of Jesus, and this is almost gone from the gospels in every Bible.

Tell me, do you really feel the second coming will be the way you are describing?

Looking within yourself and being aware of your own reality are the pinnacle of the words of Jesus. Read it again, especially when he says to love each others. Where does love come from? From within yourself.

Sin... A powerful tool to make us all feeling guilty, thus maintaining a constant victim consciousness in Hu-manity. Do not associate Jesus with this even if it is written in the Bible. Stop reading the Bible and start to live it. Only then, you will understand it.

Namaste, Steven