[GregorArturo]

Nice point Allie. That's exactly what I was thinking when reading Phillip's piece. I really hope Phillip you're not basing your beliefs on translations. I am a Classics major learning latin, and hopefully ancient greek after that, with my ultimate goal in mind being sanskrit (reading the Vedas first hand). Take a look at the Emerald Tablet, which is one the greatest pieces of philosophy out there. There's a bunch of translations out there but only upon reading in Latin do I understand it much more. I can't even imagine if I could read it in it's root language what it may even hide.

Another serious point, LANGUAGE IS FLAWED! I don't know how many times I've gotten hung up on discussing philosophy with people because we don't know how to convey it in words. The only true language is one in which nothing is lost is translation or the conyeing of the message, which is mathematics. One could also consider the language of the soul to be a true language, but being it is riddled with metaphors, the translation of the message may be somewhat arduous.

Universal truths are the knowledge of the universe, which can be discovered from within without any outside influences.

Another question I ask, why does these writings, such as the Bible and the Dead Sea Scrolls, transcend other ancient philosophies such as the Vedas? The Vedas were so important that they were committed only to memory, versus being written on paper promoting forgetfulness of the texts. The forgetfulness can only be lifted once they're discovered in a cave by a shephard boy. The Vedas are technically as old as 3,500 years, but there has been prevailing evidence this past decade they could be as far back from 8,000 BC!

The Rigveda which was the first of the four Vedas, and I believe it was equalivent to 16 Odysseys in length, was committed entirely to memory. That means that a society for up to 10,000 years memorized this important text and passed it down through the ages.

What's even more interesting is the hymns within the text, in relation to the short and long sound vowels in the hymns, are based off of Phi, the Golden Ratio.

The ultimate language passed down for 10,000 years in a cryptic, metaphorical language, like that of the soul, for us to learn of in this day and age. And if you have a background in the past decade plus developments in Atlantis, or the existence of a pre-Sumer maritime civilization, it wouldn't be that hard to put one and one together in that hey, maybe these folks in India know what the hell they're talking about.

If I had to put my so called faith in an outside source, I think it would have to lean toward 10,000 years of a society's dedication, then someone who thought these important piece of writings should sit tight in a cave for the next generation of people to find.

So what do I believe? 1.618. Because where ever I go there it is. I can see it in your appearance. I can it in a tree. I can see an ancient epic. I can see it the god forsaken stock market! It is everywhere! And that my friend, that is truth. The real question is, how do you interpret it and apply it to your own life.