[100thmonkey]

"You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do."
-Anne Lamott

Originally Posted by arcora

"His perspective" [God's] is that he created us and, as such, we belong to Him.

Which doesn't supercede our inherent rights as sentient freewill beings...

He is sending a just, fair and incorruptible king to govern us - perhaps because we have proven ourselves unable to govern ourselves properly.

But first to wipe two thirds of us out? That's the just and fair thing?

As I say, mankind has hardly been given the chance, let alone the education, to prove ourselves. For most of humanity's history the secrets of enlightenment have been kept hidden.
Not only that but programs have been put in place to keep us that way, to play on our lower nature and stir it up to dominance, rather than putting in place education programs to specifically enlighten people.
Imagine if the Illuminati were actually open and willingly shared and helped the people they rule instead of abusing them. The world would be revolutionised, a golden age.
It's only now in the internet age that that's changing.

The thing is though, we have to do it for ourselves, in order for the final product to be stronger - and we CAN do it for ourselves. It's starting already.

For some outsider to come along and just solve it all for us defeats the point of our creation.

Anyone who is ardently opposed to being held as chattel or doesn't want to abide by the new rules can opt out of the system.

Really? I hadn't heard that part of the story yet, aside from those killed and incarcerated...?

Yet also, are you saying you're happy to be considered chattel, really?

I'm starting to lose confidence in your rationality, let alone your self-esteem (or your opinion of others around you).
Humility is one thing, but this is extreme.

It isn't our place to judge Him. It is our place to be judged by Him.
He makes the rules.

There's no basis for that claim, other than the self-proclaimed authority of the bible. The potter and clay argument. Which, in those areas, I would say is a tool for controlling populations.
With the point ultimately being to 'Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's' ...meekly.


The only judgment that matters is each individuals upon themself.
I am important and valuable to myself. No one has a right to deny that or take that from me. Any one, Creator or not, who would say to me, "No, you are not worthy, you will be forced to submit to my will..." is deluded.
Only our physical body can be constrained by force, not our eternal spirit, our true self.

There's a saying you might have heard, 'Judge not lest ye be judged'.
If someone is going to decide something for someone else they are inevitably going to be brought into question themselves by those they're imposing upon, looking for qualifications, hypocrisy, etc...

It's self-evident that the creation is based upon the creator's simple desire for experience, and that we are part of the creator.

The fact that the creator created in the first place shows that he didn't feel complete. He wasn't happy with eternal solitude and desired more. He needed further experience, and so created the mechanisms to provide that - the Universe (and being the only thing in existence, the substance he used for this creation was his own self).
Therefore, in this creation he is subject to the growth and change that it's experience inevitably brings -indeed it is the purpose (as opposed to the claimed unchangeability of the bible's 'god').

So the 'rules' are only those natural scientific laws, not moral impositions.
There is no objective basis for any higher morality from him than from ourselves - in fact the point is that he is 'hands off' in such matters.

The creator doesn't care about 'ruling'. The only thing that comes close to 'justice' in the universe is the fact he's not going to permanently harm himself (us) and we will all ultimately return to our source, through the awareness that life experience inevitably brings.

He's not coming to us, we're heading to him.
There will be no one destroyed 'forever'.

Our existence is not about judgement, just experience.