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Originally Posted by historycircus
I will have to agree with Zynox - a world where the present system survives is not a future I want my grandchildren to inherit. That is not to say I want them to inherit a world without laws or the Republican (as in the political philosophy, not the political party) spirit. But, preserving the current economic system is to preserve inequity and exploitation, and to invite environmental and cultural collapse. Are not the mechanisms of Capitalism dangerous to Democracy? If our politicians could be made subject to the rule of the people (as they were in the American Revolution, and arguably, still are), why not corporate America? I think the time has come for us to decide: are we men and women, or are we cogs? Are we markets, or are we communities? My fear is that the timeframe in which we make that descision for ourselves is incredibly short - and our indecision will allow others to make it for us.
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The system may or may not decide, it depends but we won't see a "collapse" like many people think. When I say a "collapse" I am talking about the starvation of half the North American population.
Personally, I believe we are being pushed to new forms of Socialism. The Liberals have been pushing "equality" and all sorts of things for 2 generations now, which makes most of what the young believe, to be inline with Socialism.
What will arise out of this mess is a new system where a new form of Socialism takes form, probably similar to Canada but with government owned banks and utilities.
I don't mind Socialism too much, however extreme forms of socialism are evil, because the Socialistic system lives and dies on people agreeing with it. Dissenters need to be removed from the system. In a capitalistic society, dissenter just become poor.
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Originally Posted by historycircus
I have just finished listening to the Jeff Rense interview with B. Fulford, and that was following the second Bob Dean interview. I have a few thoughts and questions for the group.
Both Dean and Fulford - as well as George Green and half the other whistleblowers interviewed through Camelot, Rense, Coast to Coast, etc. - invoked the horrors of the Federal Reserve. This institution seems to be at the heart of every conspiracy theory known under the sun in this century, and the last. There have been entire threads here on Avalon dedicated to the fight against this institution. That the Fed is bad is the consensus, I both get it, and agree with it.
But something Bob Dean said struck me: "one world government" is a necessary step on our evolutionary path - to move beyond what we are now as a species. Capitalism has the mechanisms in place to facilitate the growth of a one world government quickly, and allows for the practice of democracy. No matter what the theory - from Nibiru to more conventional "global climate change" - it appears that we need to unite as a species if we want to survive the coming years, and with great haste. Can we use the structures that exist, "rinse" them (thanks Zynox), and use them in a more equitable and noble purpose?
Capitalism has become a boogeyman, demonized even by myself, but I wonder now if it cannot be salvaged. Roses are not without their thorns, right? Capitalism has been steered since the turn of the 20th century toward uber-exploitation, but it has been the Federal Reserve in the driver's seat. They are the clearinghouse of capital upon which the markets depend. Can we simply purge the system of the "Fed," and preserve our market economy? Or is Capitalism too badly damaged, or too inherently corrupt, to rehabilitate?
And one more question. There is another side to developing a more, shall we call it, "enlightened capitalism." Fulford said, and I'm paraphrasing here, "people who go to work are selling poison soda to people. It's meaningless. People should be deciding to do something worthwhile, like making Mars green . . . ." Should we, the people, have a larger role as capital brokers for industrial development? Do we have a duty to do so, for the creation and maintenance of MEANINGFUL industries and projects? Since the taxpayers now own banks, and will probably be acquiring a few mortages along the way, and will soon be cutting corporate welfare checks to failing industry, perhaps this is the moment we take it all back? Maybe it is our duty to take it all back? Maybe we need an amendment to the constitution titled something like "The Industrial Oversight Amendment"? I don't want to come off as the ghost of Marx or anything, but perhaps we are confronting a future where the people need more, democratic control over the means of production; or in the new-fangled lingo of the Neo-Marxists, the people should restructure the relationships of production. And I ask this, is it not our moral duty to do so? If we don't, what kind of world are we leaving for our great great great grandchildren?
What you think? Grab the hose, or let the fuxer burn?
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Capitalism is a good system as a whole, with proper regulation but it really depends on the people in the system. In the 40's and 50's, the "Greatest Generation" in World War 2 had come out of the Depression and War and were willing to spread the wealth a bit. The subsequent generations (Baby Boomers) were more selfish. Generation X and Y are totally self absorbed and only care about themselves, hence we are OK we firing 2000 people to give ourselves a pay rise.
What impact does that have on Capitalism?
The impact is that the more selfish the generation, the greater the divide becomes between people. People only care about themselves and not about the community, and they do anything to get ahead.
Eventually the system collapses due to greed.
Right now, we are only a few steps above Feudalism.
The Federal Reserve is **** because it prints up money for the Government, and charges interest. Basically, it steals money from the people, directly.