[Magamud]

Originally Posted by goody8504

you get a kick out of the truth?


now, regarding anybody who doesn't think we have free will...i'm not really following. your argument is that we are being manipulated, therefore we don't really have free will? i don't see how. you can only be manipulated if you choose to let other manipulate you, hence free will. likewise, if you choose to ignore the truth, you have freely chosen to ridicule or ingore those who speak the truth. to say free will doesn't really exist just completely blows my mind. if free will doesn't exist, then why has this discussion even arose? surely some people have decided to go against the majority and express the free will we all have. just because you don't express your free will doesn't mean it doesn't exist

Freewill works in degrees to me, not extremes.
Manipulators dont want you to have a choice (sovereignty) if they get to manipulate you or not.