[raulduke]

I am so very sad after listening to this interview.
This is absolutely the most important discussion that we can have as a species, and it was done a great disservive by both of these men's egos here. They have only further divided people who agree upon so many things.
Alex is undefendable in his O'Riely esque delivery. Peter is undefendable in his need to defend such personal attacks and frequent use of semantics.
They do not realise that their respective positions are not mutually exclusive.
They agree on the basics (as I'm fairly sure we all do) which as I see them are:

1. Our society is sick
2. We need a new framework for society
3. Said society must be based on people

What they disagree on, as I see it, is: "How do we get there?" and "What is the nature of the PTB?"
This is extremely important IMO, as they are the questions that will determine where we actually go from here.

Peter seems to contend that "evil" is only a sickness of sorts that can be explained away if diagnosed properly. And therefore the nature of "evil" will fall by the wayside as we begin to understand the motivations.

I really wish that I could subscribe to this notion, unfortunately, I simply cannot comprehend the outright "evil" that I see in the world, and I would have no idea where to begin diagnosing the large majority of it. This is, indeed my own shortcoming and I really do hope that one day humans can be so brilliant as to look into one another's eyes and help each other to overcome what has been plaguing us.

"How do we get there?" is so important because, in Peter's model, society has already crumbled and the PTB are just as helpless as the rest of us. At this point they become irrelevant because they do not fall in line w/ the rest of us, and they slink away. "Evil" ,as it were, is now gone. As Peter said here in part 2/5 at about 7 min. that "The system will prevail because it is true."

God help us, I hope this is true.

Alex's position was fraught w/ aggressive language and personal attacks, but overall I think his message was important.

What I feel like Alex should have addressed (which he did only slightly) is that regardless of the nature of evil, evil (abhorrent behavior) exists, and currently that abhorrent behavior has focused it's energy on control (of us) and survival of itself. The PTB know that this positive paradigm shift is a reality and that, while they control the show now, they are losing control. The playing field, so to to speak, will soon be leveled. This is the source of thier fear and I am screaming this to all who will listen: They want to hi-jack the this positive paradigm shift by creating chaos and further dividing/enslaving us.
The price of freedom (right now) is eternal vigilance.

I look at the original idea behind the creation of the United States as a microcosm for what Peter proposes. It was a great idea that was corrupted tout de suite because, even then an ocean was no obstacle to them. We have to dismantle the current system entirely before we can begin to build a better one. It sucks really, but I feel like we can't afford to broadcast ideas like the Venus Project right now. They are good ideas that will be co-opted quickly and steered in awful directions.
Peter's assertion is that the PTB are all just sick individuals that can be diagnosed away or dealt w/ by ignoring their abhorrent behavior if they choose to continue it.
I feel like this is the only thing I disagree w/ from Peter. I mean come on man, you must know that they won't slink away because "the system is true"(which I believe btw). They will fight to infiltrate our movements and divide us. The only solution I see is massive awareness. Once we all know the nature of the PTB, we can begin to address the problems they present.

P.S.
I have been following Alex's work for some time now, and this is the worst I have ever felt about him. It was unfortunate the way he treated Mr. Joseph and I will be emailing Alex's organization until I receive a reponse.
"This interview was counterproductive" will be the subject of my email.