[martian31v]

(using this thread as a zeitgeist/alex jones debate, thanks sylph16 for find)

i was disappointed too with alex's first zeitgeist critique and with his not so subtle jabs in his recent interview, but at least he apologized for his initial reaction, jabbed himself a bit and allowed zeitgeist to promote their views.

leaving religion out of the mix, alex and zeitgeist have the same essential conclusion, current human conditions suck. but they differ in their premise or why conditions suck. alex (incorrectly) uses a subjective line of reasoning that suckyness is derived from evil individuals that corrupt an otherwise healthy (free market) system. zeitgeist (correctly) uses an objective line of reasoning and concludes suckyness is derived as a natural product of a monetary based system, where resources inherently monopolize and corrupt the individuals controlling those resources. the suckyness can and has emerged from both capitalist and socialist systems.

the zeitgeist position is NOT communistic, socialist, or utopian. some might call it anarchical, im not yet sure. it cannot be communist/socialist because it does not propose a figurehead. it is not utopian because it does not propose an end. the position is a means that directs us out of CONTROL, which makes the zeitgeist proposition a "ground crew" or "avalon" proposition.

to analyze and contribute to the zeitgeist proposition might be a productive/constructive ground crew task.