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If only we abolished all money and private property everything would be great...
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The Venus project men is stating that it is not perfect, there is no perfection.
Its an ongoing process of rejecting the old and useless patterns of working for profit, as it encourages greed. the main issue here is a rethinking of the motives. if the motive is money, then you don't care for the environment.
the best way to get an everlasting stream of money is to enslave peaple to buy more and more, and to get that is to make products that will last less and less.
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All resources should collectively belong to all humans of the world. Intelligent management of resources and technology could allow everyone to be free...
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What is wrong with this idea? it is certainly much better then the one we have today.
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It also put in more about how religion is bad...
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Religion is not bad it is simply irrelevant.
it had a purpose of controlling the masses. now is the time for educating people not to be afraid of some god figure that will punish you if you touch your winnie...
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I am convinced this thing was specifically made to stop the liberty movement from achieving anything
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What have you and all the other movements achieved exactly?
Nothing on a global scale.
There is more poverty, more pollution, more ignorance.
The idea is to change the system totally, change the motive for success totally so human beings will want to celebrate life without wanting to get something out of it except the feeling of the joy of sharing.
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The film also seems to assert that preying personalities and agendas are not part of human nature. While many of us are good people, can we all say that we never consider possible beneficial avenues presented to us, that may take advantage of unwhitting parties? We may never act on those considerations, but the possibility exists because we have free will.
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We do not have a free will!
Tell that to the person who try to quit smoking...
we have free will to the extent the EGO allows us to have.
and the current system supports the GROWTH of the EGO, therefore the GROWTH of the human suffering.
you have to build and work in order to have free will.
this is where spirituality education comes in.
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It seems this film wants to subdue free will in the name of what's best for humanity...
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This is nonsense!
The film creator is trying to show a part of the truth and offer a different path to a better world.
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This is a very slippery slope and at the bottom, is you, controlled omnipotently for the "greater good of humanity".
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Come on man!
This is just a blue print of ideas. we have a long way until we will succeed
in creating a better human race.
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...That being the case, we must change mankind to reject profit and we must work together on some other basis. It is never quite clear what that basis is
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How about the basis of love?
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...The desire for profit is merely the desire to be compensated for our labor, our creativity, our knowledge, or even for our risk.
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The desire of profit is an EGO desire like all desires, that comes from the notion we are separate from one another and from the universe.
When we will understand that all is one the desire will be to serve the others, therefor to serve ourselves.
And there is your motive!
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...Without profit, very little would be accomplished in the world.
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The idea of profit will change from "profit to the little me" to the "profit for the big whole."
I totally agree that the second part of ZeitGeist is somewhat biased toward a social idea, but what is wrong with that?
I also agree that it lacks a certain objectivity and balance in the presentation of the ideas but it is still a powerful step on the way of change.
WE NEED A TOTAL CHANGE OF THE SYSTEM, NOT JUST A FIX OF THE OLD ONE!
peace and love to all!