[elirien]

Originally Posted by UsAndThem

Yeh but what is fact to you? Like i say, what is fact or fiction? They are all just beliefs. See beyond the mistakes Maxwell makes, and the belief structures and holy books in all religious structures, it just confuses everyone. Maxwell may be wrong about some "facts", but that's not the point, the point is that religion has been used to brainwash society dude, not help.

Got to see the big picture, not these pathetic little factual games. This is what divides people!! Hence my original post. I never said it was a cult, i said it was a tool, a system to control, much like the monetary system we live in. Just another tool! Money divides people into classes, and religion divides people "spiritually" not that it is spiritual at all. I don't need to see the evidence, what is their evidence based on? The bible? What they were told in school? Geee sounds like everyone else. I have seen the Jordan Maxwell debunked links, I've seen them all. No need for the links thanks.

First of all, if you don't like facts then you're entitled to your oppinion. i don't get mad at that idea. it's a ride. everyone doesn't have to search for fact and truth.

Although if you'd like to open up a little bit more and check out some christian guy's research which is not bible based but fact based then i can redirect you to these links (I didn't check them all out):


NTR - William (Bill) Cooper Debunks Jordan Maxwell

http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/en...3_45-07_00.mp3

http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowhere...%20maxwell.wmv

"Astro-Theology" is ********

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtmO36tmuT0

Nowhere To Run - Evidence for the Existence of Jesus

http://conspiracyclothes.com/nowhere...ntr_062108.mp3

http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...deoid=36830437

Nowhere To Run Zeitgeist Challenge responds to Acharya S

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...54934404709290

NTR - The Nicaea Myth Debunked

http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/en...6_21-07_00.mp3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmS90DPa6cw

Zeitgeist debunking links
http://zeitgeistchallenge.com
http://ct.grenme.com/index.php/Zeitgeist_Part_I
http://www.preventingtruthdecay.org/...tpartone.shtml
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/copycathub.html
http://www.thedevineevidence.com/jes...ilarities.html
http://www.kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html
http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/compon.../catid,2/id,8/
http://educate-yourself.org/lte/zeig...dacharya01aug0...
http://www.zeitgeistresponse.info/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...63630528394775
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPXc1QcmYDY
http://www.alwaysbeready.com/index.p...on=com_content...
http://benwitherington.blogspot.com/.../zeitgeist-of-...
http://www.christian-forum.net/index...t=ST&f=15&t=14...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread286883/pg1
http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/compon...ret/Itemid,32/
http://www.allaboutreligion.org/is-j...d-aar-afb2.htm

source: http://www.conspiracyclothes.com/now...un/index1.html
http://nowheretorun.podomatic.com/

note: I couldn't care less if Chris White is wrong on his claims. Actually it would be quite nice if you could prove him wrong since that would further the debate.

Here you go guys.