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This thread is about the Bible and just reading it as a document; a government document. Years of researching the sciences, history, mythology, legends, language, sociology, you name it and this research has landed us both knee deep into it; Norval particularly as he was into this research long before I met him but since then this research, with verification and re-verification comes right back to, it is all right there in that document.