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Old 10-05-2008, 08:57 PM   #122
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Default Re: For "Survivors" Eyes Only

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Originally Posted by unloadedgunn View Post
Great thread here. I have synthesized a few different "earth changes" maps I have found on the internet, and combined this with my gut feelings about what lies ahead. I have already decided where I will be relocating to, and my present house is on the market as we speak, or as we post

As a builder with over 25 years experience building in a very "green" and progressive state I have come up with what I think is a very good and inexpensive design for an earth sheltered house. This is the ONLY way to go for many reasons, not the least of which is that the ambient ground temp. makes it easy to heat and cool.

I agree with previous post about the governments' ability to surveil. But one variable is that with so much chaos and societal meltdown in the urban centers, how many years do you think it will take the PTB to get to the little isolated communities which are self sustaining, and pose no problem? It might never happen in fact. I see "getting back to the woods" as a way to weather the storm. Who knows, in a decade or so the PTB might loose its steam due to military desertions, bad moral, change in the political agenda, anything could change the course of events. I certainly DO NOT plan on rounding up my family and getting a free ride to a FEMA camp, and will wait quietly to see where the chips fall.

I think that talk of bows and arrows is crazy (no disrespect intended). When you and your loved ones are barely eking out a living and you are trying to provide food I think a firearm is the only way to go, that said, it is true that the bovine ensephalitis which has infected wild deer and elk herds, makes trapping, snaring, smaller mammals and birds a better choice. Wildcrafting herbs for food and medicine will be necessary as well. Regardless of a "nuclear winter" scenario, mother nature is pretty resilient, and will always provide for those willing to look.

Gun shows, last I knew were a great place to purchase arms without going through the permitting process.

Earth roofs are a great means of evading detection from satelites.

This minimal visual footprint approach eliminates the ability to have solar panels (as they would be very visible), so be prepared to really rough it if you use that approach.

Collecting rain water is good, but anyone serious about a small community had better be serious about locating it around WATER. A couple of hours with a backhoe and some concrete well tiles, and you've got an artesian well for about 1K. The beauty of this is you don't need to have a submersible pump. You can use a low voltage DC (solar) pump or even mount a old school cast iron handle on your community well.

Clusters of houses allow you to have shared utilities like solar arrays, outhouses, wells, septic, gardens, generator, greenhouse etc. This also allows somewhat for specialties. You might have an electrician, a builder, some people with green thumbs, a tracker, a wildcrafter, potter...you get the idea. The problem is times a wastin'. This financial collapse, though not a surprise was pretty precipitous, and will leave many folks without the means or the time to prepare for what is coming.

I could go on forever. This is a good topic and has made me rethink some of my plans. I will be looking into military camouflage fabric and whether it would alow enough light transfer to photovoltaic panels. I think the bottom line is COMMUNITY. I agree that foreign UN troops will be more willing to shoot at Americans, but a close knit independent group is bound to be left alone. Worst case scenario is that the first few might fall, but it will be this exact thing which causes the low moral/desertions. Look no further back than Vietnam or even Iraq to see that this kind of unjust genocidal conflict foments dissension in the ranks.

I hope some of us take this beyond the discussion stage, and start walking the walk, because the fate of homo sapiens lies in the balance.
Hey unloaded,

I can't agree with you more in many respects. The only disagreement I have is your dismissal of the bow - there are many folks out there who will not have firearms, who will hit the road and survive. It is going to be pretty hard for these folks to hunt and defend themselves with nothing, and you can't manufacture a twelve-gauge out of saplings. The bow may be the only choice these folks have to make it, and I think that info has its place here.

I do think, however, while one still can, acquiring a firearm and amunition, and learning how to use them is really a good idea. They need to forget the brainwashing - guns are tools, nothing more. They are not evil, and you are not a bad person for owning one. Someone who knows nothing about them needs to learn, and quick. People who are uncomfortable with them need to GET comfortable soon.

I, too, think the wild is the way to go. But think about the people who have brought us to the brink of disaster. Was Iraq the most efficient way to get access to oil and bring down Saddam? NO. They are madmen, and it is all about control - flexing one's might as an act of juvenile, schoolyard dominance. I think that as time goes by, these folks will not tolerate anyone existing outside of their sphere of control - no matter how inconsequential these communites may be in terms of opposing their agendas. If the PTB make it to the other side of whatever comes, unchanged in philosophy, those who exist outside of their control will be targets. Stealth must be a priority for those who have already established safe zones, and for those who will do so in the future.

It sounds like many here are taking it beyond discussion, but with this format, discussion is all we got. I thank you for your contribution, and anything you can add is GREATLY appreciated. Please post all that you know.

ON RAINWATER COLLECTION: For those who may find themselves in a situation where the guttering of traditional housing is not applicable, are there any designs for a boonie system for free, or anything commercial? Will it come down to plastic dropcloths above rotating buckets? And again, I agree with unloaded - locating these safe zones as close to freshwater as possible will be key. But there is no shame in harnessing what comes from the sky.
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