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Originally Posted by Sol Invictus
333, I too have lived 'off grid' with some others, and after about 6 weeks decided 'enoughs enough' after watching theft and deceit rip the group apart.
Why? because as i was fishing and bringing in food, people were supposed to do their alloted tasks like split the wood and build a log pile.
Did they do it? no, and when i made my own fire and ate my own fish and didn't share they got snotty about it.
I gave the 'work as a group, eat as a group' speech, and carried on eating.
They decided I was selfish not to share the fish, and I pointed out that i was cold wet and hungry and they were selfish not to make the fires. A reply I got was 'well you made one quick enough'.
Some people think they can live with others, but in reality they just want to have zero responsibilites and let others do all the work.
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It seems, and some of this is thru personal experience, that with few exceptions most kinds of communal living only works either with:
* an extended family and possibly long established personal friends. The kind of people you can say what you will, let the chips fall where they may, and know you aren't tearing at the real fabric. Or...
* at the point of a gun. (and that won't go far, either)
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a short parable on social/commun-ism:
Three guys all work at the same factory. One night they go out together and get roaring drunk. Next morning all three woke up with the pounding head from hell. Two got up anyway and went to work. One said, "Screw it!" and stayed home.
About 10 AM it occurred to all three that, even though one guy stayed home, he'd still get to eat next week, anyway.
Next time they all got drunk, all three stayed home, and about 10 AM the next day, the same thing dawned on everyone who saw them in the bar.
"God bless the child thats got his own... thats got his own." (Or at least a damned good compelling agreement)
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I'm not inclined to harbor dislike, or distrust for people. and just about anything I have, save my wife, dog, gun, or vehicle is yours for the asking, as long as I sense a genuine need. But God help you if you steal it.
Once someone has stolen from me, if I saw them dieing on the road, they'd be lucky if I even stopped to laugh. A society is based upon agreement; but if the agreement is anything I have, regardless of my want or need is theirs for the taking, well that's just suicidal. you can get that anywhere.