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undetected · 09-09-2008, 03:09 AM

Ok, OceanWinds, you're going a bit around the problem I have in mind, so I'll try to explain better.

As for the Hitler thing - sure, if people had been different, Hitler would never happen. But that's not the point. Hitler did happen. So imagine it's like 1942, war is going on and here's the question: would killing him be a bad thing? Sure he's not the only one, just a fly like you say, but this is more about the principle. Let's assume for a moment the nazi force would crumble without him. I'm talking about an archetype situation where you have a chance to kill a guy who will otherwise kill millions. Would it be a bad thing to kill him?

As for Illuminati - if people had a sense of personal responsibility, we wouldn't be where we are now. But we are here, in this mess. I don't wanna hear "IF we'd have acted differently, things would be different now." Mankind has acted as it did and here we are. There are people who commit mass murder, develop and release diseases, start nonsensical wars, steal... you name it. And we know about it and know who they are, to a large extent. And we have reasons to believe that if we don't stop them, it will get much worse. If we all got microchipped, out "life" would be over, because what we'd have couldn't be called life. So I'm asking: can you really stop them with love? Before it's too late?

You're right that killing some, others would probably come in their places. But maybe, getting rid of the few on the top who push very fast for the worst things imaginable would slow Them down a lot and give us a much better chance of working on better solutions. The choice just MIGHT be -no violence and slavery- on one side, and -a bit of violence and freedom- on the other.

You said "imagine fighting a war where the opposing side did not want to fight or kill anyone. And they were the nicest people you could meet... now motivate your soldiers to fight them... i highly doubt anyone could do it."
In my opinion here you are _completely_ wrong. Wars are ALL about people killing other people who are not in the least their enemies. The guys on the battlefield have no interest in killing the guys on the other side. Your location says Canada. What if my country gets into war with Canada and they send you and me to fight? What interest do I have in shooting at you? None. Would I do it? No. Would the other soldiers do it? You bet they would! Because the government brainwashes them with crap about patriotism and fighting for their country. Or you want to tell me that the US fights in Iraq because the citizens of Iraq are bad people? It's in fact very easy to motivate basically nice people to kill other nice people and it's been happening all throughout history. People are easy to manipulate. You doubt anyone could do it? The Illuminati are masters of doing it. They wouldn't fool me and they wouldn't fool you I'm sure. But they damn well would fool almost all the rest.

But imagine, kill top ten military officers or involved politicians on each side and the war is over. There will be no one left to have interest in it. Just a few shots instead of several years of killing civilians. Cause ordinary soldiers are pretty much civilians too. Just guys like you and me who got a uniform and a gun and an order to kill.
Or even better, as someone said recently - put the politicians [like Bush] on the battlefield to sort it out among themselves, and the war will not be over soon, it will never begin in the first place. Wars are all about people with no interest in the war killing other people who have no interest in the war. The soldiers are not bad people. But they kill. Because a few guys convince them that it's the right thing to do.

I agree Gandhi was a great man and did things right. It's just that right now we need a few dozen of them working really fast. Yes, love is the right way. But somehow people have been missing that point for centuries and now it seems to be a bit late.
Anyway, I'm still interested in what others think too.

09-09-2008, 03:09 AM	#71
undetected Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 79	Re: Benjamin Fulford Ok, OceanWinds, you're going a bit around the problem I have in mind, so I'll try to explain better. As for the Hitler thing - sure, if people had been different, Hitler would never happen. But that's not the point. Hitler did happen. So imagine it's like 1942, war is going on and here's the question: would killing him be a bad thing? Sure he's not the only one, just a fly like you say, but this is more about the principle. Let's assume for a moment the nazi force would crumble without him. I'm talking about an archetype situation where you have a chance to kill a guy who will otherwise kill millions. Would it be a bad thing to kill him? As for Illuminati - if people had a sense of personal responsibility, we wouldn't be where we are now. But we are here, in this mess. I don't wanna hear "IF we'd have acted differently, things would be different now." Mankind has acted as it did and here we are. There are people who commit mass murder, develop and release diseases, start nonsensical wars, steal... you name it. And we know about it and know who they are, to a large extent. And we have reasons to believe that if we don't stop them, it will get much worse. If we all got microchipped, out "life" would be over, because what we'd have couldn't be called life. So I'm asking: can you really stop them with love? Before it's too late? You're right that killing some, others would probably come in their places. But maybe, getting rid of the few on the top who push very fast for the worst things imaginable would slow Them down a lot and give us a much better chance of working on better solutions. The choice just MIGHT be -no violence and slavery- on one side, and -a bit of violence and freedom- on the other. You said "imagine fighting a war where the opposing side did not want to fight or kill anyone. And they were the nicest people you could meet... now motivate your soldiers to fight them... i highly doubt anyone could do it." In my opinion here you are _completely_ wrong. Wars are ALL about people killing other people who are not in the least their enemies. The guys on the battlefield have no interest in killing the guys on the other side. Your location says Canada. What if my country gets into war with Canada and they send you and me to fight? What interest do I have in shooting at you? None. Would I do it? No. Would the other soldiers do it? You bet they would! Because the government brainwashes them with crap about patriotism and fighting for their country. Or you want to tell me that the US fights in Iraq because the citizens of Iraq are bad people? It's in fact very easy to motivate basically nice people to kill other nice people and it's been happening all throughout history. People are easy to manipulate. You doubt anyone could do it? The Illuminati are masters of doing it. They wouldn't fool me and they wouldn't fool you I'm sure. But they damn well would fool almost all the rest. But imagine, kill top ten military officers or involved politicians on each side and the war is over. There will be no one left to have interest in it. Just a few shots instead of several years of killing civilians. Cause ordinary soldiers are pretty much civilians too. Just guys like you and me who got a uniform and a gun and an order to kill. Or even better, as someone said recently - put the politicians [like Bush] on the battlefield to sort it out among themselves, and the war will not be over soon, it will never begin in the first place. Wars are all about people with no interest in the war killing other people who have no interest in the war. The soldiers are not bad people. But they kill. Because a few guys convince them that it's the right thing to do. I agree Gandhi was a great man and did things right. It's just that right now we need a few dozen of them working really fast. Yes, love is the right way. But somehow people have been missing that point for centuries and now it seems to be a bit late. Anyway, I'm still interested in what others think too.