[Accipiter_Phi]

After having just sifted through ten pages of this thread, I just want to chime in my thoughts on Miriam.

First off, thank you Bill, Kerry and Miriam: this path you all have chosen is a hard one... yet very valuable.

To paraphrase Bill Ryan: [these testimonies are like individual trees in a grove... take in the story of each individual tree & then step back: and see the overall shape of the forest from the individual trees] (sorry Bill, your actual quote was much more elegant).

I believe Miriam to be sincere... I believe she speaks from her heart... but I recieved some red flags in the interview.

One aspect of her story stuck out for me: the description of the Nordic's "helper greys"; round black eyes, featureless, and robotic like.

This sure sounds exactly like the PLFs (Programmable Life Forms) that have been seen in various stages of production by multiple witnesses in various D.U.M.B. facilities. These little fellas seem to usually be invoved in abductee scenarios (including the now rare, first video "Incident at Lake County"... not the widely disseminated hoaxed second video).

So, what does this mean?
Are the Nordics in collusion with the PTB? Are they benevolent or malevolent; Nothing in this reality ever seems to be black and white.

To use a Star Wars analogy: Are the PLFs used for good like Yota's clone army... to be conversly be used by the Sith Lord to turn on the Jedi (or vice versa).

I believe the truth of the Nordic intentions may be much more nuanced. If benevolent, a "creator" or "seed" race would first go to the world's governments in order to help the populace. But what if those govs used their gained knowledge to further concentrate the power of the elite?

Wouldn't the benevolent aliens then seek out individual civilians to get their message out?

Then there is the valid time travel issue that ClarkKent broached at the top of this thread. Hitler believed the master race were the descendants of Atanteans and, which in turn came from the Pleaides. We know time travel exists... Even if we discount multiple whistleblower testimony, we have the widely publicised public domain sources, like the infalliable atomic clock experiments of yesterday. These clocks measure time by a constant rate of decay of radioactive isotopes into their daughter element; they cannot be wrong... the decay is the most constant thing in existence. The clocks were synched. Then one clock was sent into orbit around earth and one stayed earth bound. When they were compared after some time, there was a several second descrepancy between the two.

Given the existence of time travel, Nordics could have many motives... not to mention, there are likely many factions within ET Nordics. Just like all humans are not "good" or "bad."

On to Miriam's empasis on "seeds." I think Miriam is right on the money here, whether one takes the importance of "seeds" literally or esoterically.

In a literal sense, survival in the future will be hinged on our ability to live in a self sufficient and sustainable manner. We need to grow our own food from organic, NON Genetically Modified seeds. This is a given.

Yet, even esoterically: Are the awakened not "seeds" themselves? An acorn contains within its DNA all the genetic memory of a mighty oak... of all Oaks past and all oaks future. We, as aware beings, would be the seeds of a new paradigm of a new world... cataclysm or not.

Bottom line... we should keep all these testimonies in a file in our head. To deny Miriam's message because it seems "fear based" would be like the philosophical fallacy of "Denying the Antecedant:"

"Miriam is a contactee from benevolent aliens, therefore her message should be positive. Her message is not positive (it is gloomy), so therefore Miriam is not a contactee from benevolent aliens."

Anywho... thats my 2 shillings.
Thank you all for the spirited forum filled with differing opinions while maintaining civility.

"If the wall seems like a door, put new hinges on it so you can use it" -Ed fROMOHIO