We have had some great info on this tread thanks to all.
However I still wish to meet with people to start a discussion group (many hand make light work) any suggestions. If you wish I will find a place and time, probably around Melb somewhere central to get things rolling
There are two opposing forces at work, FEAR and LOVE. If you are feeling the fear they have already won. We can change this by focusing on our own destiny and make it happen, changing attitudes from "WHAT'S IN IT FOR ME" to "HOW CAN I HELP".